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Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD  
User currently offlineBDRules From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5368 times:

How are the loads doing now on the SYD route via HKG???? When they started the averaged only 60-150 passengers carrying on through.

Hows it doing now???

Regards

Stu

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User currently offlineEKSkycargo370 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Very poor so I have been told,VS should axe the route!

User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 1):
Very poor so I have been told,VS should axe the route!

Completely untrue. The flight performs extremely well. It has shown particularly good loads in upper and premium. Considering it is still a relatively immature route it has shown very ecouraging gains in every area.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

The problems the route is facing is a lot of pax wish to travel with them through to LHR but there are a few problems with availability especially in the upper cabins as reported by SevenHeavy. What VS is trying to do is market the destination of HKG for them to boost yields. What VS need to think about is adding a 2nd HKG-LHR flight, however I am not aware if anything is on that horizon for them at this stage. Perhaps someone can elaborate.

User currently offlineNcfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Flew VS200 at the end of March, LHR-HKG was full, HKG-SYD was about 190 if I remember correctly. SYD-HKG at the end of April was 201, and HKG-LHR was full again.

Hope this helps


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 3):
What VS need to think about is adding a 2nd HKG-LHR flight, however I am not aware if anything is on that horizon for them at this stage. Perhaps someone can elaborate.

Or maybe make the HKG-SYD-HYG leg a 343 instead?



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Or maybe make the HKG-SYD-HYG leg a 343 instead?

No; this would mean having to base an aircraft in HKG or SYD, whereas now they are all based at LHR, and operate on rotation; 3 are operating the trip at any one time.

It's the 2nd HKG flight that is needed; to cater for the pax with HKG as final destination. At the moment a lot carry on to SYD, so wanting to fly the LHR-HKG becomes harder to find availabilty.


User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Wasn't VS supposed to add additional frequencies on the LHR-HKG the last November? What happened to that?

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

The route was shelved to use the a/c to operate LHR-CPT daily.

I think part of the reason was also due to NZ, QF and Oasis beginning operations on the route around that time.

 Smile



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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

I non-reved SYD-HKG in Feb and economy was nearly full. Guess its more a yields game than loads game tho.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 6):
It's the 2nd HKG flight that is needed; to cater for the pax with HKG as final destination. At the moment a lot carry on to SYD, so wanting to fly the LHR-HKG becomes harder to find availabilty.

So if it's the premium demand, and they need more LHR-HKG, then make the second flight a 343 to HKG?

It has a higher premium ratio than the 744, with good cargo room (though at that range, I imagine it would have to be low density west bound).



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

VS should still consider rerouting LHR-KUL-SYD as i am certain there is money to be made here and it would be a better mix of passengers for yield - with possibly more seats available for premium pax between LHR and SYD.

Travelling monthly between LHR and KUL - its astonishing that flights continue to be heavily booked throughout this year so far in all 3 classes on MAS and for many regular travellers on this route - some healthy competition would be much appreciated.

However - am not sure parents SQ would be so keen on this idea as they take a lot of overspill via SIN... (as witnessed 2 weeks ago as there were a lot of pax on my connecting KL-SIN shuttle that were also on SQ320 ino LHR.)


User currently offlineEmirates029 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
So if it's the premium demand, and they need more LHR-HKG, then make the second flight a 343 to HKG?

Yes, I would certainly agree with you on that. On the many occasions I try to fly to SYD I have to juggle my dates quite a bit as it's connecting with the LHR-HKG-LHR leg which cause severe problems with the availability.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 12):
If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?

Maybe it's as a result of BA stopping, that it now appears that more flights are needed.


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 12):
If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?

this has been discussed to death in previous posts.

BA left at a time when demand was very poor particularly in premium cabins (due to the Asian Financial Crisis of 97 and then 9/11) so KUL became a victim of its great 'Future Shape and Size' campaign. BA then relinquished its traffic rights to MAS - in effect preventing itself from returning with any ease.

Over the last 6 months of so - it seems that demand on the LHR-KUL sector is gaining in strength and perhaps also helped by the ex-KUL market (which is also recovering) since the Malaysian Ringgit was depegged from the USD. With MAS filling their seats twice daily and airlines like EK, GF, SQ, QR and EY starting to do well again from connecting traffic into/out of KUL - i am just wondering if there would be further demand for another carrier to offer a non-stop service.

Given the problem VS seems to be facing as posted by previous posters - with the demand for its LHR-HKG sector filling the aircraft - maybe selecting a city like KUL instead to stopover would resolve that as this would provide more availability for LHR-SYD passengers with LHR-KUL taking up any slack. KUL is also a relatively cheap station to operate into - given that Malaysia Airports charges very little compared with other airport in the region and perhaps this could improve their yield on the LHR-SYD run.

Of course this could change with Air Asia X planning to commence flights to the UK within the next 6-9 months.
Jetstar of course is also starting a KUL-SYD service in 3 months time so i guess this may be a further deterrant.


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