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The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service  
User currently offlineWetleaseWill From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16725 times:

As the new guy to the forum...I will try not to piss anyone off. That being the case, I wont mention any company names.
After a recent transatlantic flight on a 757 outfitted with blended winglets I have come to the conclusion that the increased use of that plane on transatlantic routes will be the airlines excuse to do away with individual entertainment centers. Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30523 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16699 times:
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I disagree. IFE can be a differentiator between two airline's products when price is similar and the ability to keep passengers entertained is helpful because they tend to not miss the lack of other amenities that have been cut over time...

User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16656 times:

Quoting WetleaseWill (Thread starter):
Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.

Doesn't sound like you flew Eos but I can assure you if you did, you would be thinking differently!

That being said, IMHO the 757 is a great aircraft to use acorss the pond on thinner international routes that wouldnt warrant a larger aircraft.


User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16632 times:

Have to say, even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat. Other than a great aircraft from the airlines' point of view, very unremarkable and rather uncomfortable for Y passengers. My favourite of all is still the 767, I don't usually get to fly up front, so either a 767-200 or 767-300. I just like the feeling of spaciousness.
I suppose a flight of 6 1/2 hrs. is not that much more than a long domestic, though, but for some reason I would still prefer at least a 767.
Also feels like we are going backwards, to the original 707 flights, where sometimes they could make it all the way across without refueling, and sometimes not. In this day and age, a flight across the Atlantic should never have to make a fuel stop. I often see flights having to stop at Gander, for example, and that is flights from Europe to the East Coast. With modern day travel and technology it seems like a step back.
Cheers,
AY104

[Edited 2007-06-09 20:37:30]


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16603 times:

Not necessarily...

Delta Air Lines is outfitting it's TATL 757ETOPS with AVOD PTVs at every seat.

Continental Airlines is planning on doing the same, if not something similar (AVOD in J, PTV/Non-AVOD in Y I heard, but could be wrong).

That being said, it's no different from the days when 707s and DC8s flew TATL and no one had problems back then.

I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16543 times:
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Quoting AY104 (Reply 3):
Have to say, even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat.

I flew many years ago in a transatlantic Air Europa 757 between BCN and POP with a fuel stop in Bangor (Maine). IFE does not exist and was little uncomfortable but a great experience.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16507 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):

Continental Airlines is planning on doing the same, if not something similar (AVOD in J, PTV/Non-AVOD in Y I heard, but could be wrong).

Widescreen AVOD in Y is coming to the 757-200s starting this fall, while all 41 presently have AVOD (Panasonic eFX) in the BusinessFirst cabin.


User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16496 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Have to agree. While the extra entertainment might be a nice touch, the degree of obsession with PTVs and the concept that one should have to be entertained all the time is totally ludicrous. I realize that there is the argument about airlines advertising these entertainments, that they should be able to function properly, and also from a competitive standpoint be available. However, the degree to which some people get so worked up about either not having them onboard, or they are available but not functioning properly, is alarming. Society has become ridiculous with the dependence upon constant entertainment by electronic devices.
Cheers,
AY104



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20337 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16481 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
That being said, it's no different from the days when 707s and DC8s flew TATL and no one had problems back then.

Sure it is. This is an often repeated error. 707s and DC8s didn't squeeze people in at 31" pitch. Much different. (Kudos to NW for giving more space in coach on their TATL 757s.)



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16481 times:

Quoting AY104 (Reply 3):
even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat. Other than a great aircraft from the airlines' point of view, very unremarkable and rather uncomfortable for Y passengers.



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Agree in full on both accounts.

Even when the particulars of a B752 look extremely good in paper, as a Y pax I find it awfully uncomfortable; it feels narrow and overcrowded; boarding and deplaning are slow processes, overhead bins tend to be insufficient, and meal services take forever... which also mean the aisle (the route to the lavatories) rermains blocked for long periods of time.

The obsession Alitalia744 mentions with PTVs may only be a cultural thing; it's very USA and that's it. Latin American, European, Middle and Far East pax are less obsessed with the idiotic screens.

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User currently offlineWetleaseWill From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16463 times:

I am not saying that one should be entertained all the time, but I think a company should be consistent with their services. If you advertise a personal entertainment system on transatlantic flights, ...then have them on all transatlantic flights.

Ryanair is considering offering flights across the pond. Though I am not sure if would take them...they are at least consistent about the lack of service they provide. In addition, they expect you to celebrate the fact that you are being crammed into the plane like a sardine.


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16387 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Or, one can buy one of those new fangled Video iPods. I hear those are great for long flights too!


User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16197 times:

At least you didn't title it "The End Of Civilization As We Know It." While the airlines are attempting to optimize aircraft efficiency, lower operating cost and squeeze out the maximum yield on a particular market segment, they are also incrementally experimenting with how much torture the traveling public is willing to put up with; the lack of food and inflight amenities like IFE in Business Class and the least amount of seat pitch in coach.

The Boeing 757-200ER is just about the same size as the Boeing 707-320B flown forty years ago but the ambiance, service and seat pitch in coach are light years apart. Looking at magazine advertisements of that era hardens to a transatlantic traveling experience with airborne lounge areas and the attempt at airborne haute cuisine. Heck, the 707 even flew faster than the 757 (Mach .82 vs. .80) and from all reports, airport saturation was a nightmare of the future.

My relatives experienced the transatlantic 757 sardine can effect from Cleveland to London, Gatwick- one time only- and have sworn it off ever since, actually preferring to risk a connection delay in New York in order to fly in a 744 Business Class rather than flying nonstop CLE-LGW in a Boeing 757. If enough passengers boycott the 757 the airlines will discontinue using it. I personally doubt that time will ever come.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20337 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16138 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 12):
The Boeing 757-200ER is just about the same size as the Boeing 707-320B flown forty years ago but the ambiance, service and seat pitch in coach are light years apart. Looking at magazine advertisements of that era hardens to a transatlantic traveling experience with airborne lounge areas and the attempt at airborne haute cuisine. Heck, the 707 even flew faster than the 757 (Mach .82 vs. .80) and from all reports, airport saturation was a nightmare of the future.

 checkmark  Right on the money. Some of the early DC-8s had 40" pitch in coach (each row aligned with each window). Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.



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User currently offlineBimmerkid19 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16122 times:

Fly on Icelandair 757´s and then you will change your mind.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24760 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16055 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.



And early DC-10s and L1011s were 8-across in Y, which soon became 9-across...and even 10-across on some aircraft.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2820 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16035 times:

Quoting AY104 (Reply 7):
Have to agree. While the extra entertainment might be a nice touch, the degree of obsession with PTVs and the concept that one should have to be entertained all the time is totally ludicrous. I realize that there is the argument about airlines advertising these entertainments, that they should be able to function properly, and also from a competitive standpoint be available. However, the degree to which some people get so worked up about either not having them onboard, or they are available but not functioning properly, is alarming. Society has become ridiculous with the dependence upon constant entertainment by electronic devices.

AMEN! Thank you for saying this; I absolutely could not agree more or have written it more eloquently!

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 9):
Even when the particulars of a B752 look extremely good in paper, as a Y pax I find it awfully uncomfortable; it feels narrow and overcrowded; boarding and deplaning are slow processes, overhead bins tend to be insufficient, and meal services take forever... which also mean the aisle (the route to the lavatories) rermains blocked for long periods of time.

I think YC in any Boeing narrowbody is painful, the 757 perhaps the worst offender of the bunch for the reasons you quite correctly listed. I am interested in flying the NWA product with increased legroom.

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 14):
Fly on Icelandair 757´s and then you will change your mind.

On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15971 times:

Let me punch in with my two cents worth.
It is OK to dislike the 757-200 trans-atlantic if your reasons are lack of seat pitch or dislike of a single aisle.
It is not OK if it is lack of PTV's.

In my experience the only passengers who use and care about PTV's are young American males who do like to read. Do thay require entertainment all the time in their life? If they are at home for a few hours do they ever pick up a book to read or do they have to have video games.

From my experience very few passengers care about PTV's. At the most, they may watch a movie on a long flight.

As someone said a few messages before this one, it is only in the US that people care about entertainment onboard. I narrow that down even further to young American males, who do not make up a significant portion of international travelers.


User currently offlineBimmerkid19 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15961 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.

Yea and also FI is upgrading their IFE to have a rather nice offering ... http://www.icelandair.com/home/suppo...ws-room/detail/store34/item100156/ take a look ..note to Moderators this is not an advertisement, it is purely helping my point.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15903 times:

Quoting WetleaseWill (Thread starter):
As the new guy to the forum...I will try not to piss anyone off. That being the case, I wont mention any company names.
After a recent transatlantic flight on a 757 outfitted with blended winglets I have come to the conclusion that the increased use of that plane on transatlantic routes will be the airlines excuse to do away with individual entertainment centers. Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.

The 757 allows secondary cities that would never have had transatlantic service, be served by the likes of CO and DL. I have flown 757's across the atlantic countless times, and they're fine. If I'm flying in Y, I would prefer a wide-body a/c so I can get up and move about a bit more, but 757's are fine!


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15733 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
checkmark Right on the money. Some of the early DC-8s had 40" pitch in coach (each row aligned with each window). Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.

Aero- Trans-Canada Air Lines (now AC) initial DC-8s (11 x Series 40) had _48_ inch pitch, in both F & Y.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15707 times:

I am not sure why the 757 is being blamed for this. Take a flight on a lot of British Airways widebodies, United's widebodies and Delta widebodies, and you'll see the same lack of PTV in coach, this is not a narrowbody issue

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20337 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15535 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
As someone said a few messages before this one, it is only in the US that people care about entertainment onboard. I narrow that down even further to young American males, who do not make up a significant portion of international travelers.

I don't know if I agree with that 100%--there's been an awful lot of griping about LH's lack of PTVs in coach.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20):
Aero- Trans-Canada Air Lines (now AC) initial DC-8s (11 x Series 40) had _48_ inch pitch, in both F & Y.

You could be very right, I had 40 stuck in my mind for some reason. I will defer to your knowledge on it.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15427 times:

Am I the only one that finds Y-class PTVs annoying? Especially on a red-eye?

User currently offlinePaladin87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15345 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20):

That was back before deregulation when you could make money with a half full airplane


25 AeroWesty : No, you're not. I find all the flickering distracting, and disappointed when shades are requested to be shut so others may see their screens. I'd rat
26 OA412 : And yet LH is one of the worlds most consistently profitable airline. Clearly, if PTV's really made that much of a difference, LH would not be doing
27 Nrcnyc : I don't see the point in complaining. If you don't like 757s, then fly via LHR of CDG or AMS or what have you. The 757 allows CO to fly EWR-ARN non-st
28 DTWAGENT : I know that I will be trying my best not to fly on one airline that uses the B757. At least not until they clean them up on the inside and the infligh
29 Post contains images Qantas787 : I couldn't give a toss about the movies etc on the PTV but I want my moving map at all times. I used to hate it when they would put the map on for th
30 Ikramerica : What is this obessesion with electronics, or for that matter, the printed word? Why can't people just bring along their tribal story shaman like they
31 Burnsie28 : The reason that NW didn't put PTV's on the 757 was because of the weight. Which would severely limit it and would have to leave several people behind
32 ADent : If people are that concerned about PTVs why not get an iPod or portable DVD player?
33 RoseFlyer : Some people prefer nonstop and the shortest routes possible over most forms of service. Service is nice and a good addition, but not the only thing. I
34 Paladin87 : NW has 8 more A330s to be delivered though the DC10s have all been removed from scheduled service. Some of these flight may just to test the markets b
35 Teo747 : All I know is that I would much, much, much rather take the CO 757 flight from EWR-BRS and have a 15 minute drive to where I'm going than fly into LHR
36 Dampfnudel : Same here, just give me the moving map & I'll supply the games (DS Lite), music/video (iPod) myself.
37 PacificWest : PTV's are something people are becoming used to. The fact that they can watch TV on 2 hour domestic flights with a "discount" carrier, and not have o
38 Ikramerica : If only this were true. They are adding them, and even added 3 more seats when they switched the system from the old heavy tape based system to the c
39 Baron95 : You must be right. That is why EVERY leading airline in the world is rushing to offer or is already offering PTV in every seat. Wake up dude. Humans
40 Konstantinkoll : I live in Germany near CGN, where CO flies from EWR. There are ads all over town for CO and their route CGN-EWR. I was amazed to find out later that t
41 Sv2008 : Because apart from the weight the batteries last less than the length of some films. Last long haul flight I was on, I was bored after 5 hours, after
42 Lorgem1 : I fly a 752 every year at Christmas to YYZ to POS - 51/2 hr flight. Yes, they are tight and have a bad pitch! I would not like to be on a Transatlanti
43 Ikramerica : PTVs make time go faster. If you can choose your movies, or watch a series of TV shows, the hours fly by. You are less likely to be getting up and goi
44 Boston92 : I don't see a difference between JFK-LAX on a 757 than JFK-LHR on a 757. Both flights are about the same length... 6.8 hours vs. 7.4.
45 Post contains images OHLHD : It was said on this forum a few times, that the average traveller does not know what IFE,AVOD etc etc is. We the enthusiasts know about it and propab
46 Bobnwa : I think I do know what the customer wants, and it is not PTVs. You seem to have the attitude that the members of this forum are representative of the
47 Indio66 : I have flown the 757 across many times, and have a CO business first flight coming up in a couple of weeks, and would much rather be on a smaller airc
48 Ikramerica : Just because it was said, doesn't make it true. Once a customer has ONE flight on an AVOD system, they remember and wonder why the next plane doesn't
49 Itsnotfinals : I have a Panasonic personal DVD player that was 119 bucks at Costco and the battery always lasts 4 hours minimum. Total weight is negligible.
50 Deecee8 : Hey everybody. American carriers are trying to catch up with this PTV craze, the unfortunate thing is that any airline can ill afford to remove a/c fo
51 Post contains images Notarzt : Sorry, folks... many words, few sense! It's a question of personal taste. I have always prefered a widebody aicraft on intercontinental flight. I love
52 MCOflyer : Please enlighten me. Hunter
53 Rlwynn : A few weeks agoI was on a new KLM 777 with avod. I thought it was the coolest thing ever on an airplane. So much movies, music, cartoons. But I still
54 LINATE : Quoting DeeCee8 --"Hey everybody. American carriers are trying to catch up with this PTV craze, the unfortunate thing is that any airline can ill affo
55 Post contains images Revelation : Yet somehow most of us have televisions in our house, and enjoy watching them. They probably said the same thing about running water and flush toilet
56 CODC10 : It's already going to happen. AVOD and PTVs are going into the Y cabin of the 757-200s at CO later this year. Plus, IIRC, the RR-powered 757s are bet
57 4everRC : ...and WELCOME to my respected members list.
58 LINATE : Some of us cannot read on an airplane....( I get motion sickness) and I usually cannot sleep either.... So a PVT really help pass the time. No obsessi
59 777STL : No kidding. The average traveler picks which ever fare is cheapest on Expedia or Travelocity, not who has the overrated little TV screen in the back
60 Slider : Absolutely....A.net has become a hive of IFE whores in which it becomes the first and foremost barometer of an airline's service. It's a part of the
61 FlyDreamliner : NW's 752's for transatlantic service offer more legroom in Y than do any other aircraft in their fleet, or any other US carrier across the atlantic (
62 Baron95 : That is in fact true, with fare, schedule an FF alffiliation being dominant. However, you may have also seen the surveys that indicate that PTV has a
63 LGAtoIND : Please, enough bitching about 757s over the Atlantic. Most passengers have no idea what kind of plane they are on, and even many of the passengers who
64 Slider : Amen! One of the most overplayed topics here EVER. I'm waiting for a NW DC-9 retirement thread now any minute. LMAO
65 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : The thread title is a bit misleading. I read it to mean that the 757 will bring an end to the inflight service on trans-Atlantic flying...good thing I
66 Flight209 : I'm right there with you, Konstantin. To me, the intitial poster's gripe about no PTV on his flight is irrelevant to the issue of transatlantic 757s
67 TrijetsRMissed : Long hauls have got to be widebodies for me. I avoid 757's on trans-atlantic as much as possible; they're bad enough on a trans-con. The exception, if
68 Post contains images OHLHD : 100% correct, especially on A.Net no just kidding. I agree with you, but I still believe that most passengers tend to look at the price first. Once t
69 Travatl : Ya know, I'd guess 90% of a.netters bitching about 757s on transatlantic service couldn't have afforded the same flight on the DC8s and 707s of yester
70 Post contains images OHLHD : 100% correct! I would spent all I have for such a flight!!! Who is MAX JET?
71 Post contains links Itsnotfinals : Who is MAX JET? a very nice all business class airline http://www.maxjet.com/homeAction.do
72 EWRCabincrew : You can walkabout on the 757 and stand near the galley after the service (there are two galleys to stand near). It is doing fine. I go to CGN tomorro
73 Post contains images OHLHD : " target=_blank>http://www.maxjet.com/homeAction.do That looks good. Do they have 762 or 763´s?
74 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Are you also amazed at the obsession with TVs, DVD and MP3 players, mobile phones, computers or wireless Internet? It's called progress. A book is fi
75 AirSpare : It all adds upp to good all around service. Yesterday I flew F class LAD-LHR, I didn't even turn it on, I missed the chocolate pudding but had the St
76 Bobnwa : So you know what the customers want and some other 90 airlines don't including some very large successful ones? How were able to tune in the pulse of
77 Post contains links PlaneHunter : It's a fact that almost 90 airlines have installed PTVs or have plans to do so. Among these 90 carriers you find most of the world's largest and most
78 PHLBOS : 762s.
79 YULWinterSkies : Maybe this is because the airlines using the 757 transatl at the moment are from the US, and these are not reknowned for their exciting service... But
80 Columba : I flew with Spirit recently and many passengers brought Video IPods watching their favorite TV shows. I don't care about PTVs as you said you can bri
81 EWRCabincrew : You're kidding, right? To which airlines are you referring? CO has won many awards with its BusinessFirst service and while exciting is subjective, y
82 Post contains images STT757 : Obviously people have accepted trans-Atlantic 757s, CO has been flying 757s on trans-Atlantic routes since 1995. And before CO British Airways were f
83 Post contains images ExFATboy : I agree to an extent, but if IFE is advertised as being there and then doesn't work, yes, I consider that a (minor) problem...you're not getting what
84 Post contains images OHLHD : What is ICE? Anyone has the name for me? Thanks!
85 Clickhappy : Well, ICE is in In Car Entertainment. Not sure why someone would use that term with regards to EK.
86 IAD51FL : The loads on all the 757 International Routes are great... constantly 90-95% full there and back. So someone is flying those routes.
87 OHLHD : That´s what I thought too.
88 Post contains links PlaneHunter : Probably because that's the official designation of EK's famous AVOD IFE system? Easy to find with google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Emira
89 Post contains images OHLHD : ICE = Information Communications Entertainment That makes sense. Thanks PH!
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