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Next Airline To Move To Humphrey Terminal?  
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Anybody have guesses on which airline will be the next to move to the Humphrey Terminal at MSP? I'm guessing F9 because F9 only needs like 1 gate. Once the HHH Terminal is expanded then UA, AA, US, and AC will probably move.


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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

I don't think theres any "probably" about it. The MAC hasn't changed their plan to move all non-SkyTeam airlines to the HHH.

User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Frontier won't move anytime soon. Continental handles their ground ops at MSP.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 2):
Frontier won't move anytime soon. Continental handles their ground ops at MSP.

No, they'll move. The MAC, the governing body in charge of the airport, plans to move all non SkyTeam airlines to the HHH Terminal and make the Lindbergh terminal all Skyteam (NW and friends). I think this happens when some work on the Lindbergh finishes, or something like that. It's not that far into the future that this is planned to take place. In all honesty, this decision irritates me. It just further feeds the evil NW monopoly.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
No, they'll move. The MAC, the governing body in charge of the airport, plans to move all non SkyTeam airlines to the HHH Terminal and make the Lindbergh terminal all Skyteam (NW and friends).

If CO wants F9 to stay, then NW wants F9 to stay. If NW wants F9 to stay, then F9 will stay. Seems logical enough.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
No, they'll move. The MAC, the governing body in charge of the airport, plans to move all non SkyTeam airlines to the HHH Terminal and make the Lindbergh terminal all Skyteam (NW and friends).

If CO wants F9 to stay, then NW wants F9 to stay. If NW wants F9 to stay, then F9 will stay. Seems logical enough.

I really am not sure if that's how it'll work. CO and NW are not the same thing. Moreover, this whole move was not really NW's decision. They may like it, may have supported it, but it was the MAC that decided this. I'd be surprised if Frontier stayed. The decision came from the MAC commissioner and the governor, and it says Northwest, KLM (not currently serving MSP), Delta, and Continental at Lindbergh, everyone else at the newly expanded Humphrey.

http://www.mspairport.com/msp/expansion/2020/default.aspx



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
I'd be surprised if Frontier stayed.

If they're using CO's gate anyhow, what would MAC gain from moving them? Surely, CO would be unhappy.



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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
No, they'll move. The MAC, the governing body in charge of the airport, plans to move all non SkyTeam airlines to the HHH Terminal and make the Lindbergh terminal all Skyteam (NW and friends).

If CO wants F9 to stay, then NW wants F9 to stay. If NW wants F9 to stay, then F9 will stay. Seems logical enough.

I really am not sure if that's how it'll work. CO and NW are not the same thing.

I agree. NW and CO disagree on many things. They are in an alliance with is one of the loosest forms of cooperations between airlines.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 7):
NW and CO disagree on many things. They are in an alliance with is one of the loosest forms of cooperations between airlines.

NW and CO probably have the most intimate relationship of any two legacies, far more so than, say, UA and US.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 7):
NW and CO disagree on many things. They are in an alliance with is one of the loosest forms of cooperations between airlines.

NW and CO probably have the most intimate relationship of any two legacies, far more so than, say, UA and US.

Which is all beside the point that NW didn't make this decision. The head of the MAC and the governor of Minnesota did. It looks like F9 will be making new arrangements for gate handling at MSP, because they just are not in the plan for the Lindbergh terminal. So the fact that CO and NW codeshare flights, and that NW is the biggest airline at MSP, has no bearing on F9's gates.



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User currently offlineDc-9-10 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
NW and CO probably have the most intimate relationship of any two legacies, far more so than, say, UA and US.

It seems like NW is more intimate with DL and CO then CO is with DL (probably because they compete heavily on international service). This can only be a good thing for NW.

As long as the rent rates are the same I would think airlines would want to move to the Triple H, its a new modern terminal that is uncrowded (good for business travelers, short wait times for security and the ability to get to the gate quickly). Granted there are some down sides the the Triple H, 1. lack of restaurants and retail space, but with more traffic this should change. 2. there will be costs associated to airlines to get signs and other marketing material up, office space set up, etc. 3. finally United will want to have a Red Carpet Club so there is another burden on them.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 2):
Continental handles their ground ops at MSP

Just to be clear, F9 has their own above the wing staff but contracts the ramp out to CO at MSP. All of the carriers at the HHH outsource their ramp (either Menzies or ATS) so F9 could easily choose one of those vendors if they moved to the HHH. Right now at the HHH, there is no ticket counter space for F9 so they will not be moving anytime soon unless YX moves back to the Lindbergh (which is rumoured) due to their alliance with NW.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 9):
The head of the MAC and the governor of Minnesota did. It looks like F9 will be making new arrangements for gate handling at MSP, because they just are not in the plan for the Lindbergh terminal. So the fact that CO and NW codeshare flights, and that NW is the biggest airline at MSP, has no bearing on F9's gates.

Apparently you're not understanding me. Let's step back and ask ourselves why MAC wants to move everyone over to the Humphrey Terminal. Essentially, they're staking MSP growth on NW (and partners) and want to provide sufficient space for that growth to occur. At the same time, they'd doubtless love to attract some growth from other carriers. Now, removing F9 from the Lindbergh Terminal does nothing to further MAC's goal. It doesn't free up another gate for Skyteam. Further, it presumably congests the Humphrey Terminal more, something MAC isn't terribly interested in, unless they want to dissuade non-Skyteam competition.

So I don't see why they would ask F9 to move. Just to prove some sort of point? Why would they do it? It's not the same situation as HP and C9 either, as NW doesn't use that gate at all, where CO does use E9.

Just tell me what MAC would gain from moving F9...



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
ow, removing F9 from the Lindbergh Terminal does nothing to further MAC's goal. It doesn't free up another gate for Skyteam

F9 does have their own exclusive gate, E5, the former TWA gate. The only thing they share with CO is the ramp servicing.


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Isn't AA and UA not very happy with moving to the Humphrey Terminal?
Also, people have said that AM might fly out of the Humphrey Terminal if AM starts service at MSP. I don't think AM will be at the HHH Terminal because it is partners with NW and is a Sky Team member.



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
all non SkyTeam airlines to the HHH Terminal

This was discussed a few weeks ago...
Future Plans For MSP? (by Jrlander May 21 2007 in Civil Aviation)

And Af773atmsp, I belive you were the who said in that thread...

Quoting Af773atmsp:
I also think F9 will be the next airline to move to the Humphrey Terminal.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Does anyone think that the NW Airlink Gates should have been placed smack dab in the middle of MSP airport concourse instead of their current location?
Especially when making some of those stupid 45 minute connections.

I am surprised that NW hasnt shoved al the other airlines over to the Humphrey terminal long before this...Look at DTW....

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

The big problem is getting all the necessary gates at the HHH terminal. According to http://www.mspairport.com, here are some of the improvements being made to MSP:

Quote:
A new North/South Runway (17/35), opened in October 2005

Thirty new regional gates on new concourses A and B

Development of the award-winning Northstar Crossing dining and shopping space

New airport roadways

The addition of 6,500 parking spaces at the Lindbergh Terminal and 4,700 spaces at the Humphrey Terminal. A second, 4,300-space parking ramp at the Humphrey Terminal is presently being constructed and is scheduled to open in early 2008

Twelve additional jet gates and a new food court on Concourse C

A new, 10-gate Humphrey Terminal

New auto rental facilities

A Skyway Connector linking concourses C and G, parking, auto rental, and mass transit facilities

A new transit center, providing access to mass transit buses and shuttles to off-airport auto rental companies

Parallel 1.8-mile light rail tunnels as well as an underground rail station at the Lindbergh Terminal and a surface station at the Humphrey Terminal

Two automated, climate-controlled trams: 1) an underground tram whisking people quickly from the Blue and Red parking ramps, auto rental facilities and Transit Center to the terminal and back and 2) an elevated tram transporting travelers from regional concourses A and B to the entrance to concourses C and D

The switch to a more universally recognized alpha-numeric concourse and gate designation system, along with accompanying new signage.

Only ten gates at the "expanded" HHH terminal?

http://www.mspairport.com/msp/Airlines/passenger.aspx

According to this, Air Canada and United currently utilize three gates - E6, E8, & E10. AA uses E12, E14, & E16. Frontier uses E9, and US/HP have E2 and C9.

If all these airlines are moved to the HHH terminal, they must share space with XTraAirways, Sun Country, Ryan International, Midwest, Miami Air, Icelandair, Champion, and AirTran.

All this in ten gates? Something tells me more expansion will be needed.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5166 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):


All this in ten gates? Something tells me more expansion will be needed.

Use that link, go to airport expansion and click 20/20 vision facilities. HHH Terminal will close to triple in capacity after planned build out.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
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Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):

i doubt F9 would want ATS doing there work............we've seen what they do first hand when they are working.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quote:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):


All this in ten gates? Something tells me more expansion will be needed.

Use that link, go to airport expansion and click 20/20 vision facilities. HHH Terminal will close to triple in capacity after planned build out.

My school's "wireless" link wouldn't open it this morning. Thanks for pointing that out.

IF the HHH terminal does get tripled, terrific!! For non SkyTeam fliers, it avoids the size and complexity of the Lindbergh Terminal. For SkyTeam fliers, it consolidates transfers and changes easily.

Now to make it all work smoothly...but knowing Minnesota, it will probably be a big unorthodox, but it'll be well marked (like the Twin Cities freeways!!)  rotfl 



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23151 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 13):

F9 does have their own exclusive gate, E5, the former TWA gate. The only thing they share with CO is the ramp servicing.

Evidently the airport website's information, which I was using, is out of date. Nonetheless, I stand by my point. There's no need to inflame CO just to get F9 out of the Lindbergh Terminal. One measly gate makes very little difference in the grand scheme of things.



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User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Speaking of MSP airport's website. It's terrible! Compared to pretty much every other airport website, it is lacking in updates and flight information (Departures and Arrivals).


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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 22):
Speaking of MSP airport's website. It's terrible! Compared to pretty much every other airport website, it is lacking in updates and flight information (Departures and Arrivals).

I remember it being wonderful at one point and time, and its just horrid. Such is life..



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 22):
Speaking of MSP airport's website. It's terrible! Compared to pretty much every other airport website, it is lacking in updates and flight information (Departures and Arrivals).

I'll admit the website is pretty poorly done and not very aesthetically pleasing, F9 has had that gate since April 2005....but there is a reason why there is no FLIFO. Most airports have common-use flight information screens that display all the airlines' flight info. MSP only does at the HHH. Each airline at the Lindbergh has its own FLIFO screen (or in the case of US/HP, CO, and F9 - a board) so there is no central source of FLIFO for the airport to pull from to put on its website.


User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

It shows you how much control NW has over the airport and their operations. I have seen many confused people throughout MSP trying to find their flight info(on non-NW flights). That information if only on screens leading into the E concourse.


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