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Boeing To Expand Sukhoi SuperJet Role  
User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Here's the press release from Sukhoi. I find it extremely interesting, given that as far as I understand Boeing's previous role was merely a "consultant" on the project. Couple of interesting points on the expanded role:

* After-sales support and parts distribution. Isn't it what Alenia's role was supposed to be and what they got 25% of equity for? Perhaps Boeing partnership allows for easier access to N.American market? (A fleet of SSJs in Pinnacle airlines livery... closer to reality?)
* Consultant for SSJ 100 further mods. It's no secret that Sukhoi wants to leverage the SuperJet (if successful) as a platform for the family of future aircraft, potentially in direct competition to Boeing. Is it a "can't beat (or, in this case, prevent) them, then join them" kind of strategy?

All in all, this is clearly a great piece of news for SSJ (assuming that there will be no blow-ups with Alenia). By the way anyone else have any updates on the status of the program? I think the Paris air show will only have a static mock up, when is the first flight? Is EIS 2008 still on target?

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Thread starter):
After-sales support and parts distribution. Isn't it what Alenia's role was supposed to be and what they got 25% of equity for?

Alenia wanted to do it via ATR, but I am guessing that EADS didn't like this idea. I would bet the Boeing partnership was engineered by Alenia as a last resort. They don't really have their own distribution system, so they had no options without ATR.

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Thread starter):
It's no secret that Sukhoi wants to leverage the SuperJet (if successful) as a platform for the family of future aircraft, potentially in direct competition to Boeing. Is it a "can't beat (or, in this case, prevent) them, then join them" kind of strategy?

Well, or this just slots biggest end of the Superjet family right in below the bottom of Y1.

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Thread starter):
All in all, this is clearly a great piece of news for SSJ (assuming that there will be no blow-ups with Alenia).

Like I said, I believe Alenia probably had something to do with making this distribution deal the way it is.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Maybe Boeing wants to focues on the 737-700 and larger replacement... Where the real money is.

User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

I have been wondering about this for almost 2 years now. I would look for a co-marketing agreement between Boeing and Sukhoi just before the 737 replacement is announced  Wink

sPh


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3280 times:

By getting Boeing further involved in the project will also make it easier to sell the SuperJet to Western customers. Russian-built a/c have been a hard sell to make in the West since previous designs were not on the same level of western-built designs. The SuperJet is the first Russian-built airline to be designed to meet western standards.

With the Bombardier CSeries being in development hell and Embraer essentially the only real competitor to the SuperJet (The CRJ-700/705/900 aren't really in the same league as the E-Jets), this could be a successful program once they can start getting orders from western carriers.


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
this could be a successful program once they can start getting orders from western carriers.

It will be a successful program even with only Russian or old "Soviet-bloc" customers. Western customers will only make it that much more successful. As it is, Russian customers have production slots tied up until 2014-15.



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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

EADS can not afford to help Russia with the SSJ.

They are having problems with there own 350 in development and the A380.

Boeing has time and has a huge positive cash flow right now. The 787 is close to hit 600 orders.

Boeing got a much better deal selling those 22 787 to Aeroflot than the 22 Airbus 350 that were sold.

Airbus had to offer 5% of all net profits to Russia lol.

Boeing offered first delivery of aircraft in 2014 & got Russia to ask for help with the SSJ.

Basically, In my opinion it was Russia who got jerked here. When they probably asked EADS to help with the jet they advised them they are to tied up with everything right now. When Russia came to Boeing and asked for help, Boeing basically said are you kidding me first Aeroflot cancel's 22 Boeing 787 and now you want our help? That is when they signed for the order again probably paying more expensive than before

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2959 times:

Just as we got all excited thinking about Boeing and Sukhoi joining forces in the next narrowbody, here's an article that EADS might offer Sukhoi the role in THEIR next narrowbody.  confused 

Sukhoi could get Airbus A320 role, based on an article in the French newspaper LaTribune. Anyone has a French original?

Things are getting more and more interesting!


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