Juan911411 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4754 times:
JetBlue responds to incorrect New York Post story
Today the New York Post ran an article on airline near-misses that contained erroneous data on two JetBlue flights. The Post alleges that JetBlue experienced two near-misses in the New York area in May.
In the first alleged incident, the Post reports that a JetBlue flight came within 800 feet vertically and 30 feet horizontally of another aircraft. In the second alleged incident, the Post claims that a JetBlue flight came within 500 feet vertically and 2.5 miles horizontally of another aircraft.
Fact: Near Mid Air Collisions are defined by the FAA as a combined vertical and lateral separation of 500 feet or less.
Fact: JetBlue did not have any Near Mid Air Collisions in May as defined by these specifications.
The background information shared below on this issue was discussed at length with the Post on Friday, but they neglected to incorporate it into today's story.
The following details are from investigations of the two JetBlue flights in May and the separation data comes directly from the FAA (with their calculations coming from ATC radar recordings):
Flight 575 on 5/1/07 out of SWF (Stewart/Newburgh) had a recorded closest separation of 200 feet vertical and 0.83 nautical miles (5,043 feet) lateral. That's a combined separation of approximately 5,046 feet which is just over one statute mile. This falls far outside the FAA's 500 feet criteria of a Near Mid Air Collision.
The second flight was 591 out of HPN (White Plains) on 5/8/07. This flight experienced traffic approximately 5 miles south of EWR during climbout. Here the closest recorded separation was 600 feet vertical and 1.92 nautical miles (11,666 feet) lateral which is a combined separation of approximately 11,681 feet (just over two statue miles).
The FAA's investigation into these incidences is ongoing; however, our analysis of the data shows that these flights encountered air traffic but are not categorized as Near Mid Air Collisions per the FAA's criteria.
JetBlue works closely with our pilots and the FAA to investigate any event that appears to have come close to a Near Mid Air Collision. Our pilots are trained to handle any event and our customers were never in danger. The safety of our Customers and Crewmembers is our number one priority.
Quoting Juan911411 (Thread starter): In the first alleged incident, the Post reports that a JetBlue flight came within 800 feet vertically and 30 feet horizontally of another aircraft.
Quoting Juan911411 (Thread starter): Flight 575 on 5/1/07 out of SWF (Stewart/Newburgh) had a recorded closest separation of 200 feet vertical and 0.83 nautical miles (5,043 feet) lateral. That's a combined separation of approximately 5,046 feet which is just over one statute mile.
The "30 feet" was the BS from the Post article--the actual distance was a little over 1 mile as per the above...
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4006 times:
It's all semantics. Either way you look at it, in both cases, there was a loss of prescribed separation.
I think the reason B6 is so adamant in downplaying these incidents with the press is their new COO, Russ Chew, just started there after leaving the FAA as COO of the ATO. It was under his watch, in that role, the number of ATCers has decreased by almost 1,500. Both New York Center and New York TRACON are understaffed, resulting in combining of sectors. In other words, 1 ATCer is working the sector/traffic 2-3 ATCers used to work, usually without the D-side help.
Levg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3879 times:
I remember when AA B777 on its way to NRT had to shut down an engine and return to JFK, the cover page of the New York Post read "Disaster in the Sky". And then they had passengers re-tell their "horror" stories about how lucky they were to be alive. Unfortunately I can't find a link to that article. The moral is, stop reading New York Post unless you like made-up horror stories. They will find anything and make it into a horror story. I'm amazed at the number of people actually reading that paper.
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21975 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3648 times:
Quoting Echster (Reply 8): Either way you look at it, in both cases, there was a loss of prescribed separation.
Not necessarily. If all those unidentified aircraft were just VFR traffic, there would be no separation called for - VFR separation is basically "see and avoid" and "don't hit the other guy", even between VFR and IFR traffic. Certainly that glider was a VFR flight.
As for the quality of the Post, well, it's a crime to use those words in the same sentence.
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