Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2037 times:
Maybe you just haven't checked enough timetables yet. I can tell you some airlines which operate them on scheduled services and I'm quite sure that you know some of the airlines I mention:
- Air Afrique
- Air Canada
- Austrian Airlines
- Cathay Pacific
- Garuda Indonesia
- Gulf Air
- Korean Air
- Malaysia Airlines
- TAM Brasil
- Thai Airways
- US Airways
A330 on order:
- British Midland
- Roots Air
I may have forgotten some, but quite an impressive list though, isn't it?
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
Well, there are about 4 times the number of 767s out there. Airbus has only delivered about 200 so far.
One thing the 767 has going for it is an excellent safety reputation. 20 years in operation in large numbers, and only a single crash caused by a design fault (which was found and fixed quickly), and none from pilot error. There have been one and possibly two accidents due to criminal acts, so they don't count. This kind of record is quite rare, and speaks loads for an airline's peace of mind about an aircraft. The A330 has not been in service long enough to have a meaningful comparison.
That said, and speaking as a spotter/photographer, the 767 is one of the most boring-looking planes ever built. But it works.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 7034 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
SAS ordered ten 330/340 early this year (together with a load of 321s). They have gradually converted a few 330 orders into more 340 orders. Today I think that the SAS order for 330s stand at four and 340s at six. They will gradually replace old 767s beginning next year.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
I wonder how many / what percent of the total global 767 fleet is North American based. I believe DL is the largest operator. AA, UA, AC also have substantial fleets of 767s too. CO and TW also have some.
I can't think of too many non-N. American airlines with them. I know AF, BA, Malev and QF have them. RG?
CPDC10-30 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4945 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Don't forget that Air Canada has a lot of non-ER 767-200s (due to be replaced soon) and lots of -300ERs to go along with -200ERs as well. I think that the A330 is proving popular with charters because it allows for high density seating at a much lower cost than a DC-10 or L1011...the only other comparable aircraft in its size range.
LN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1848 times:
Here is the reason why SAS leases one BM A330 (in Star Alliance C/S):
Press release from SAS
"SAS starts service to Washington D.C. - 00-11-07
In May 2001, SAS will introduce its Copenhagen-Washington D.C. service as the first step in the expansion of SAS' intercontinental operations. Initially, there will be five departures per week, but by the end of June, SAS will be able to offer six to seven flights."
1. SAS has today 13 B767-383ER, and all are used on a daily basis.
2. The first (of five - MSN 413, 424, 430, 435 and last not assigned yet) new A340-300 to SAS delivered July 01 and first (of five - MSN not assigned yet) new A330-300 delivered mid April 02. SAS has option on seven more A330/A340 aircrafts.
3. Star Alliance partner BM have earlier delivery slots by Airbus, but no available slots yet on LHR because of the 2+2 deal with US.
4. BM have 3 A330-243 (MSN 398, 401 and 404) by May 01, and only going to use 2 out of MAN to US - 1 A330 free.
5. Why not help a partner in need?
Englandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
On BD's website, in their fleet information, they say they've got 4 A330s on order but alot of people on here have written that it's 3. I'm going to beleive them at the moment (for obvious reasons) but why do you all say it's 3?
OO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1780 times:
Only the 767-300 is selling good. The 767-200 and -400 current orders are only from US majors (a couple of 764 for Kenya Airways as well I think) while the A330-200 takes most of the international market.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1776 times:
British Midland has ordered 4 A330-200s, but when the first two get delivered next year BD won't have the right to fly intercontinental out of Heathrow yet, so one will fly to the US from MAN and the other will go to SAS for testing the new type before their own aircraft get delivered.
The aircraft will be painted in Star Alliance colours and will go back to BD after some time, I don't know exactly when.
DatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
Of course most of 767s are operated in both North America, Australia and Japan. Well maybe 757s are much more popular. Besides, why do you compare 330 with 767? 330-300 can contain 100 seats more (not in charter configuration!) than 767-300s. 330-200 is bigger than 764.
Maybe one reason 330s are not flying so frequently is Airbus's manufacturing capacity. They have 200s of undelivered orders, enough 8 years to work. And 306 is newer than any 767. For example KAL operates 14 330s, still with more than 25 306s.