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Another US Start-up - Sapphire  
User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/


"Sapphire Airways hopes to become new U.S. start-up "


A former Delta pilot hopes to launch Sapphire Airways next year, a start-up carrier that would connect the USA and India, according to The Economic Times of India. The Times writes the proposed carrier hasn't yet received approval from U.S. officials, but "plans to start its services from San Francisco to Bangalore via Munich from June 2008, the company's Chairman and Founder Rahul Puranik told media here. He said the plans also included to launch a second flight on the Chicago-London-Mumbai sector at a later stage."


This will be interesting to see if takes flight.

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User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6997 times:
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Before all of the naysayers chime in, I want to wish them the best of luck with this endeavor. I just don't think it will be too highly successful given the amount of competition there will be from the big boy players in the area.

I wonder what type of equipment they are planning to use and why they are planning to go east instead of west from SFO.



For some, the sky is the limit. For us, it is only the beginning... -- Jack Hunt
User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

USA to India. DL just began n/s service to go along with service already offered by AA and CO. AI is looking to begin n/s from the US east coast and is talking about SFO. Jet Airways is coming. Kingfisher has expressed an interest. How many airlines can a handful of routes support?

Why do seemingly intelligent investors choose to throw their money away on a venture that is 99% likely to fail? Unless I am missing one here, there has not been a successful startup since JetBlue. The industry moguls are complaining about over capacity now and inevitable consolidation. So hey, let's start up yet another new airline and waste alot of money!!! For every successful startup, the landscape is littered with failures. I'd love to see all airlines make it, but I am a realist, and I know it's not going to happen.

[Edited 2007-06-12 17:11:44]

User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 2):
Why do seemingly intelligent investors choose to throw their money away on a venture that is 99% likely to fail?

I am sure you heard the old joke, "How does a Billionaire become a millionaire?.... Start an Airline."



John@SFO
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

Sounds like USAfrica

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Not another one. Enough already.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21530 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 3):
I am sure you heard the old joke, "How does a Billionaire become a millionaire?.... Start an Airline."

Backer - (n) 1. a stupid person with money.

That joke was from an otherwise not so great movie called "Ten Things I Hate About You"



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Chicago to London?
The route is already served with AA, UA, BA, and VS

London to Mumbai?
The route is already served with BA, VS, AI, 9W

Munich to Bangalore?
Interesting, a new route, this perhaps has potential

San Francisco to Munich?
The route is already served with LH

Odd choice of routes to start, flying in the face of fierce competition. The only way this porject would work is if the fares are rock bottom, and their are older aircraft involved such as the 767-300. Very intersting idea, however reality will be a very different story.

-JD


User currently offlineDXBJFKSCE From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

Indeed an interesting start up, reality is different but, i think that since there are no flights to BLR from the US - it might work, having said that, i think that if they were to begin direct flights, the company would benfit more but of course you need to find aircrafts that would fit the market for direct flights from SFO to BLR.

What do you guys think? Direct flights to BLR?


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

Quoting DXBJFKSCE (Reply 8):
you need to find aircrafts that would fit the market for direct flights from SFO to BLR.

What do you guys think? Direct flights to BLR?

The article says

SFO-MUC-BLR, and later ORD-LON-BOM

-JD


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
Munich to Bangalore?
Interesting, a new route, this perhaps has potential

I imagine it would need the LH hub to be successful



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Both the SFO area and the Bangalore region are noted for being home bases to many High Tech
companies. Perhaps their plan of action is to provide a link to noted areas with similiar economic
ties. How many companies have farmed out their customer service to India?? It has been
widely discussed that there is a market btwn SFO-BLR, the question is, is it enough to sustain
an airline??



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 11):
It has been
widely discussed that there is a market btwn SFO-BLR, the question is, is it enough to sustain
an airline??

Ask the head of Kingfisher..

Not to mention the management of Jet Airways and Air India.

-JD


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

I remember another airline started by former airline employees.....KIWI.......but, hey, good luck to the guy. I'm glad he's following his dreams....


Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
I remember another airline started by former airline employees.....KIWI.......

Less we forget National Airlines(LAS)?

-JD


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

If it is truly so worthwhile, then UA will do it.

User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

It seems to me that SFO-MUC is underserved.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5727 times:

I wonder if this is to be a Silverjet/Maxjet in terms of on-board product?


TLH
User currently offlineSansVGs From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Thread starter):
"Sapphire Airways hopes to become new U.S. start-up "

Nice thread...maybe you can dream about this on your LH first to TLV tomorrow Smile

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 3):

I am sure you heard the old joke, "How does a Billionaire become a millionaire?.... Start an Airline."

Exactly. The way I heard it was; "You can make a million dollars in aviation...just start with two."



Winglets on a Falcon are "over-painting" a great work of art.
User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5412 times:

This is the stuff dreams are made of. Hey, hats off to the guy, who knows, he might have some secret sauce that makes his airline a success.

User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 2):
Unless I am missing one here, there has not been a successful startup since JetBlue.

JetBlue: 2000
Eos: 2004
MAXjet: 2005
SkyBus: 2007

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 14):
Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
I remember another airline started by former airline employees.....KIWI.......

Less we forget National Airlines(LAS)?

Sun Country, the new Frontier  Wink

Best of luck, always great to see someone new to try to get into this industry.

piercey in CLE  Sad



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Quoting Typhaerion (Reply 1):
I wonder what type of equipment they are planning to use and why they are planning to go east instead of west from SFO.

Followed the link in the USA Today blog to the original article.

New US airline plans to fly to India

Quote:
Regarding his $130 million airline company, he said while 35 million was being put in by the promoters, 40 million would be sought from private enterprise and a debt of 45 million would be raised.

In the first phase, the company would acquire long-haul aircraft from the Airbus Industrie.

Puranik also projected a revenue of 40 million dollars in the first year of its operations, during which it would aim at cornering 25 per cent of the traffic on the Indo-US sector.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
Chicago to London?
The route is already served with AA, UA, BA, and VS

AI also fly ORD-LHR with transit pax being through checked all the way to India, an even easier connection, just stay onboard!


User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
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I find it interesting that they want 25% of the Indo-US market share within the first year. That boggles my mind how you can think that with no ff base, a brand new product and heavy competition that you will achieve even a fraction of that goal. They may indeed control a quarter on the routes they serve, but certainly not the entire sector.

So whats our best guess, used A343's, new A345/6, or A333? And what do we think the initial fleet size will be, four or five?



For some, the sky is the limit. For us, it is only the beginning... -- Jack Hunt
User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
The only way this porject would work is if the fares are rock bottom, and their are older aircraft involved such as the 767-300.

That's the fastest way for the airline to fail. High costs and crappy planes on a very long-haul.


25 Post contains images Bennett123 : Two points; 1. You do not want the Silverjet punctuality record, where arriving 1 hour late or departing 1 hour late seems to be the norm at present.
26 SkyyMaster : OK, I will grant Eos and Maxjet, but they are hardly network carriers, they have a very specific niche and it's unlikely they will expand too far out
27 Post contains links ChicagoFlyer : I agree with SkyyMaster, if we only limit the argument to US-based airlines. Skybus is irrelevant to the list since it would be years before we see s
28 Chase : Stupid question: Why fly SFO-BLR heading East? Seems to me that flying slightly West of the pole would be better. Probably no good place to stop that'
29 Post contains images Lumberton : Hmmm....so when will we see the 100 firm A320 order? The Paris airshow perhaps?
30 FLYGUY767 : This I hate to tell you, but when Eos Airlines began they were not expecting to turn a profit for the first 2-4 years. They have the cash, the reserv
31 ChicagoFlyer : I agree with this statement. In fact, Form 41 balance sheet data shows a major equity (cash) infusion in 2H/2006 for Eos. However, I do not agree wit
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