Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8591 times:
Flew the BA001 on 15th August 2003 (the day after the lights went out in NY) and it was certainly the late afternoon departure. Memory fading but I guess by then BA were down to one NY flight per day? In fact here I am in 19A!
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8018 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7): If my memory fades me forgive, but didnt AF at one time in the 80's or 90's have 2 flights to JFK?
Air France never operated Concorde 2 x Daily on CDG-JFK.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8): And until BA and AF got permission to operate Concorde to the USA, BA used it (jointly with SQ) LHR-BAH-SIN, and AF used it CDG-DKR-GIG. Perhaps someone has the schedules of those flights?
AF Concorde regular schedulled flights were :
CDG-IAD (until March 1981)
CDG-DKR-GIG (until April 1982)
CDG-(SMA*)-CCS (until April 1982)
CDG-IAD-MEX (until March 1981)
CDG-JFK-MEX (from march 1981 to April 1982)
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23241 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7973 times:
Nobody has yet mentioned Concorde's service LHR-IAD-DFW and CDG-IAD-DFW, jointly operated with Braniff, using Braniff crews on the IAD-DFW subsonic sectors. The flights technically became Braniff domestic flights between IAD and DFW and were sold at about 10% above the standard IAD-DFW first class fare at the time. That service lasted at little more than a year from January 1979 to sometime in the Spring of 1980. Details/photos here: http://www.braniffpages.com/concorde.html
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7951 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 12): Interesting since I remember being at JFK 3x in 1994. Each time I saw an Air France departure at about 1pm. Perhaps the flight was always delayed?
That was the "old" schedule.
Until the mid-90s, AF001 used to depart JFK at 1:00PM, to land in CDG at 10:45PM.
But with that schedule, there was no more connections available to anywhere in Europe, so AF changed the schedule of AF001 so that the flight, arriving in CDG at 5:45PM would enable passengers to connect with almost all the AF Europe network.
Monday 6th December 1999;
09.30 / BA9093C / LHR-JFK / G-BOAG - to return next day as BA9094C.
10.30 / BA001 / LHR-JFK / G-BOAB
13.45 / BA002 / JFK-LHR / G-BOAF
18.45 / BA004 / JFK-LHR / G-BOAG
19.00 / BA003 / LHR-JFK / G-BOAC
An example of passing through JFK was the BA charters to YYZ, by the late 1990's these were frequent, over a dozen per year.
A few went LHR-YYZ, some via JFK, others LHR-MAN, MAN-JFK, JFK-YYZ, almost always the aircraft returned direct to LHR.
Both BA and AF operated 'round the world charters' starting out at JFK.
Other BA schedules were the thrice weekly LHR-BAH-SIN, between 1979-80, after an abortive 3 flights in late 1977.
BA also operated thrice weekly to IAD, between May 1976 to November 1994, from 1984 to 1991, this service was extended by a supersonic flight to MIA, returning to IAD before going on to LHR.
BA began US services in May 76, with AF, to IAD.
After winning out against the Port of NY, permission was granted for both to operate to JFK from November 1977.
BA soon found they could make this a double daily.
In 2003, with a massive drop off, across the board (including 6 1st class routes being axed), in annual corporate travel contracts, BA re-timed the BA001 to 18.30 to try and capture a more wealthy leisure market.
Intended as temporary until things picked up-and a double JFK daily being possible again, it was overtaken by events leading to retirement and became the final form of BA's scheduled LHR-JFK flights.