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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Hello Everyone...

In the very short time I worked for AirTran, and also from what I've seen on the pictures on this website, I have noticed something about Ship 710 (N950AT) that is different from the ENTIRE rest of the 717 fleet

If you take a look at this photo

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Photo © Joe Pries - ATR Team


You will see that Ship 710 was delivered like every other 717 delivered. The Window Exits themselves have the painted outline.

But if you look at this photo

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Photo © Daniel Piotrowski


and every photo taken after that, you will notice that the fuselage has been painted, and the Window Exits ARE NOT.

This is the ONLY 717 that has this difference, and I was wondering if anybody knew why?

Even when the older planes go in for paint, and come out with the new scheme, the Window Exits are painted, and not the fuselage.

So my question is, why is this the only 717 that has this difference, and why did they paint it like that in the first place.

I know some possible answers may be that it went in for repaint and was repainted by a different company, but why would AirTran have a different company repaint 1 717. And also, if you notice this, When it gets repainted, the font for the registration number changes. In Boeing Factory paint, it comes out like a block letter, but when it gets painted in Miami, it comes out more rounded.

So can anybody explain this to me. For a year now, and even before, it has been bugging the hell out of me.

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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

So you are saying the door outline was originally on the door itself, and now it is on the fuselage?

I'm just trying to clarify. I don't know why it would be different, but I suppose it wouldn't matter.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

That's exactly what I'm saying...

710 is the ONLY 717 in the fleet like this. No others are like 710. It was not originally delivered like that. It looks like it was repainted, or maybe there was something wrong, and it was the absolute first to be repainted in MIA, and whoever painted it tried to make it look like the DC-9, but after that one came out of the shop, FL had some new specs for it.

I dunno.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Dude,

I really think that you need to look at those two pictures again.....There is no difference in how the overwing exits are painted on.....I have a very sharp eye for minute detail like you mentiona and I dont see one difference between the two aircraft...Perhaps the difference in lighting is making you think you see it differently......

Access-Air



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1746 times:

Access-Air..

No, you're wrong... I have personally worked Ship 710 as well as others. I have noticed that 710 has the outline painted ON THE FUSELAGE, and when I flew on that airplane in June 2000, They were painted ON THE EXIT. I too have a sharp eye for minute details like that. I know what I see.


User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 1705 times:

Yeah...not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

But, the next time that ship comes into DAB i will certainly look at it up close cause I dont see the difference.

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 4):
No, you're wrong

Classy.

XJR



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Dont know what to tell you but, we had a mess this morning. I wound up boarding flight 428 mdw-atl. It was ship 710 the interior is the worst I have ever seen on one of our 717s.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

How so Captain? Lights all yellow, seats all drabby, NO STANDING FORWARD OF WHITE LINE WHILE AIRCRAFT IS IN MOTION taped on the forward lavatory bulkhead?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 4):
I have noticed that 710 has the outline painted ON THE FUSELAGE, and when I flew on that airplane in June 2000, They were painted ON THE EXIT.

If so that is a BIG violation of the FARs. The exit band MUST be on the fuselage on plug type doors.....

[Edited 2007-06-15 00:57:29]


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Then DOZENS of airlines are violating FAR with their DC9s/MD80s.

NWA has the outline on the exit door, while Valujet/AirTran had them on the Fuselage on the DC-9s and the exit door on the 717s (except for ship 710 which has it on the fuselage). DL has them on the fuselage (except for ship 927).

Southeast had a mix as well (some on the fuselage, some on the window).


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Take a look at these examples....


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Photo © Jorge Meneses - APM

Painted on the Fuselage

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Photo © Tom Alfano-NYCAviation

Painted on the window exit itself

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Photo © Daniel Piotrowski

Painted on the Fuselage (N950AT in June 2004)

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Photo © Joe Pries - ATR Team

Painted on the window exit itself (N950AT in December 2000)

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Photo © Andy Vanderheyden

Painted on the Fuselage

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Photo © Mark Kopczak

Painted on the window exit itself

Now if you look at the ones that I say are on the fuselage, see how they look fatter, and on the ones where I say they are on the window exit, they look real skinny. Its not the light, as I've viewed it all up close as well, and seen the outlines.

As a matter of fact, my only question is why AirTran has this one difference on this ONE single airplane when it was delivered just like the rest, and when others come out with a new coat of fresh paint, they look like they did when delivered, but yet 710 is different. I just want to know if FL hired a different contractor to paint it or what?

[Edited 2007-06-15 01:37:00]

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 10):
Take a look at these examples..

How the heck can you tell......???? I've got a big monitor and even enlarged I can't tell



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

It's easy.. One is fatter than the other. It looks like one set of window exits is fat, and the other is skinny. Look REAL hard if you can't tell, but even my 5 year old niece noticed the difference without me pointing anything out, and I have a 20" widescreen monitor.

User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Dude...I understand you may be a huge fan of the 717 but, seriously, it might be time to step away from Airliners.net for a day or two.

The bigger questions that should be presented in this thread are...

A.) Who the hell takes the time to notice these things?
B.) What kind of psychotic drugs are you on?
C.) Will said psychotic drugs show up in a urine sample? I'm quite intrigued by the power of whatever it is you're taking.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

1. I'm not on any psychotic drugs
2. Anybody who has eyes, and a brain capable of registering sight should notice this
3. You must be intrigued by the power of my eyes.

I'm sorry nobody else can see this. But if you look at it more closely, say in actual life, you will see exactly what I'm talking about. Obviously, pictures don't do you people much justice.

Several FL crewmembers I've talked to have noticed this, but do not have an explanation. I am simply AFTER that explanation. Nothing more.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 14):
I'm sorry nobody else can see this. But if you look at it more closely, say in actual life, you will see exactly what I'm talking about. Obviously, pictures don't do you people much justice.

I spent hours around just about every 717 (and most of the 737's as well) in the FL fleet...and can tell you all kinds of stories about just about every individual ship. 739 and the week it flew around with an AA MD-80 radome (in AA colors) after a birdstrike in DFW. 308 and its uncanny ability to blow shear pins on towbars every other week it came in to our station. No one ever seemed to notice this random occurrence. Obsessive compulsive, anyone?

What I'm getting at is this...and this goes for alot of folks that cruise this site. There comes a point where you gotta stop scrutinizing every little inch of photo and every little tidbit of info in effort to try to be the first to point something out...get out...and enjoy the real world for a bit.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Who cares JayDub? If it's interesting to him, it's interesting to him. Honestly, I'm a bit curious now - when 710 gets repainted in the new paint scheme, will it retain the exit window oddity? And if so, why?

This is AIRLINERS.NET. We're all a bit obsessive/compulsive here.


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Well, if anyone is interested, here is FAR Subpart K 121.310

(g) Exterior exit markings. Each passenger emergency exit and the means of opening that exit from the outside must be marked on the outside of the airplane. There must be a 2-inch colored band outlining each passenger emergency exit on the side of the fuselage. Each outside marking, including the band, must be readily distinguishable from the surrounding fuselage area by contrast in color. The markings must comply with the following:
(1) If the reflectance of the darker color is 15 percent or less, the reflectance of the lighter color must be at least 45 percent.
(2) If the reflectance of the darker color is greater than 15 percent, at least a 30 percent difference between its reflectance and the reflectance of the lighter color must be provided.
(3) Exits that are not in the side of the fuselage must have the external means of opening and applicable instructions marked conspicuously in red or, if red is inconspicuous against the background color, in bright chrome yellow and, when the opening means for such an exit is located on only one side of the fuselage, a conspicuous marking to that effect must be provided on the other side. "Reflectance" is the ratio of the luminous flux reflected by a body to the luminous flux it receives.



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