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GOL And DL Announce Agreement  
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

What seems to be a coup against Star Alliance and its carriers, GOL the owner of the old Varig, and Delta have announced a baggage and ticketing agreement. The agreement is effective July 1st, and will allow Delta and its passengers to fly to new destinations in South America. Is this a harbinger for a possible SkyTeam entry for GOL?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070614/nyth044.html?.v=92


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Follows GOL agreement with CO this week as well.
CO To Sell Gol's Tkts For Flights In Brazil+S.Am. (by AF086 Jun 12 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I would hardly call this a coup. United and other Star partners like Lufthansa have teamed up with TAM which provides a multi class product versus GOLs single class LCC concept.



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
would hardly call this a coup. United and other Star partners like Lufthansa have teamed up with TAM which provides a multi class product versus GOLs single class LCC concept.

TAM doen not provide a multi-class product on their domestic routes, only international, just like GOL/Varig.

The products are about the same. I flew them both last month.


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

So what about Skymiles? I just booked a CMH-ATL-GIG on DL then GIG-CGH, GRU-EZE on Gol then EZE-ATL-CMH back on DL. Can I get skymiles for the Brazil and Argentina segments, that would be a nice bonus.


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Thread starter):
GOL the owner of the old Varig

Actually Gol is the owner of the new Varig. The old Varig is still owned by FRB (the old Varig cannot use the "Varig" brand anymore).

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
TAM doen not provide a multi-class product on their domestic routes, only international, just like GOL/Varig.

The products are about the same. I flew them both last month.

The difference is indeed mininal.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

You can be sure that an agreement with AF-KL is not far as well.

Rgs,


User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3015 times:

This is great news.

I wonder about Skymiles as well. I just booked MCO-GRU but I'm going to CNF.

Anyways, this is great news  Smile))))))))

So American Airlines will be left with no partner????


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2929 times:

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 6):
So American Airlines will be left with no partner????

TAM is already a FF partner with American Airlines as well as Air France and TACA.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2912 times:

The TAM-AA partnership ends Nov14th once the UA partnership is approved by governmental authorities.

http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...scriptor=AAdvantagePartnersContent

[Edited 2007-06-14 17:15:44]


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User currently offlineFlyingchoirboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2881 times:
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This is a great move for both DL and GOL.

I'm going to daydream about a GOL aircraft in ATL now  Smile

Scott



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2614 times:
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And there are rumors about deals between Gol and UX also, a future SkyTeam possible member.

No doubt that after TAM agreements with some Star carriers, Gol/Varig become the major alternative in Brazil and with their international plans for Europa and South America, the best alternative in South America.

And now agreements with CM, CO, DL, UX and probably very soon AF/KL... seems that G3/RG is really a target of SkyTeam.

Felipe



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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
And now agreements with CM, CO, DL, UX and probably very soon AF/KL... seems that G3/RG is really a target of SkyTeam.

Entry into SkyTeam would be great for everyone involved. SkyTeam will be able to give it's flyerbase a choice of more destinations, and GOL will be able to fill many of its intra-South American Flights with SkyTeam flyers. This also will plug a hole in the SkyTeam network.



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
The products are about the same. I flew them both last month.

Yes, both TAM and Gol provide you with a slow check-in experience, absence of up-to-date departure information and minimal staff at the gates.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 6):
So American Airlines will be left with no partner????

Gol is not a partner of Delta or Continental. Delta and Gol signed a run of the mill interline agreement - the type of agreement that deserves no midia space because it is so common.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
Delta and Gol signed a run of the mill interline agreement - the type of agreement that deserves no midia space because it is so common.

To put it in perspective, a selection of just some of the other ITBs concluded this week alone were (per IATA) between :

Aer Lingus and Etihad
Air Moldova and Atlasjet
Air China and Air One
Air France and LAM Mozambique
AVIACSA and Air Comet
Cathay Pacific and Mahan Air
Dragonair and Air Berlin
El Al and Eritrean Airlines
Ghana International and Air Zimbabwe
JAL and Kingfisher
Malev and KRASAIR
Syrian Arab Airlines and Armavia
Transaero and AIr Astana


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 13):
Dragonair and Air Berlin

Why have they signed an agreement - their networks do not meet at any point



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
Quoting B747-437B (Reply 13):
Dragonair and Air Berlin

Why have they signed an agreement - their networks do not meet at any point

Indirectly they do, namely through LTU's flights to Phuket and Bangkok, and seeing as how AB is the official owner of LTU nowadays, it figures that AB would sign such an agreement.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
I would hardly call this a coup. United and other Star partners like Lufthansa have teamed up with TAM which provides a multi class product versus GOLs single class LCC concept

This is a very interesting development. I can remember about a year or so ago, Continental was talking to GOL management. This may bode very well for the SkyTeam presence in South America. It has been a hole in their network that has been needed to be filled.

Now the question is that if we indeed have a GOL-DL tie up, JJ-UA tie-up, what happens to AA in the Brazilian market? True that AA has the largest presence of a US airline in the Brazilian market. Will they indeed rely more and more on LAN, for additional Brazil, or is it possible that Aerolineas Argentinas will become part of AA-South American partners?This is even more interesting considering that Avianca, and Copa are rumored to be joining SkyTeam as well.

So in the end SkyTeam would end up with Copa, Avianca-Ocean Air, Gol-Varig, and Aero Mexico for Latin/South American members. Very interesting!

-JD


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