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Avoid JFK In The Evening. (especially T1)  
User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

I just flew out on TK 2 JFK-IST. The doors were closed exactly at our departure time (18:45) and we were ready to go. What time did we take off? (22:36) Approximately 4 hrs. All airlines at T1, Air France, Swiss, Lufthansa, Aeroflot, RAM, had similar delays.
T1 is now definitely overcrowded, with the arrival of Swiss, Aeroflot and couple of other airlines. It's a nightmare flying in around 16:00-20:00. A friend of mine who flew in GVA-JFK last Monday waited 2 hours at the tarmac for a gate to disembark.
I realize Delta and American can hit lengthy delays at JFK,too. I was always used to long taxis in JFK, but it seems that this summer is going to be far worse.

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7543 times:
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Terminal ONE seems to be very overcrowded, Virgin and Singapore left years ago. The replacements are lower quality airlines, Aeromexico & Aeroflot. SWISS would have been better at T4, where it was. Lufthansa is combining SWISS and its ops every where in the USA, a bad move at JFK but good at other cities.

User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7458 times:
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I was stuck at gate 25 trying to go from JFK - MHT last night on DL 6100. According to the pilot we were pretty much trapped by International push a/c. Boarded at 1615 for a scheduled 1640 departure. Engines started and we didn't move until 1725. It was a cluster!

Kudos to the FA who served us bottle water and snacks as we were sitting there.

JFK is going to have a very tough time supporting International Ops, B6's hub, and DL's increased ops....I will stay away!



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Well it sounds like your delay was due to JFK since it affected all of the airlines, and not because of T1. What day was this?

That being said, T1 is very crowded this summer...I am very surprised that Turkish or Olympic didn't move out of T1...

Quoting Robcol99 (Thread starter):
A friend of mine who flew in GVA-JFK last Monday waited 2 hours at the tarmac for a gate to disembark.

Ouch. I wonder why they didn't just park at a hardstand and disembark via bus...


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Has JFK taken the spot of worst of the 3 NY airports?

User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

Quoting Robcol99 (Thread starter):
T1 is now definitely overcrowded, with the arrival of Swiss, Aeroflot and couple of other airlines. It's a nightmare flying in around 16:00-20:00. A friend of mine who flew in GVA-JFK last Monday waited 2 hours at the tarmac for a gate to disembark

Same for me last Monday (06/11), I flew AF010 from CDG to JFK. I was so happy the flight arrived 20min ahead of schedule, but T1 was indeed so overcrowded and added to the stormy weather, there was no available gate and we had to wait 2h45min on the tarmac...
Too much new comers at T1, even check-in counters are becoming too overcrowded... is there any plan to move some airlines elsewhere ?
Btw, is there anybody who knows what happened to the Austrian B767 that was parked at T1 tail against the concourse ?


User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 5):
Btw, is there anybody who knows what happened to the Austrian B767 that was parked at T1 tail against the concourse ?

That's actually a standart procedure. They are rebuilding Gate 5 in T1, meanwhile, they are putting a 767 (Austrian, Royal Air Maroc or Aeroflot) or the Aeromexico 737 in the construction area, and use Gate 12 with the buses to board the aircraft.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 3):
Ouch. I wonder why they didn't just park at a hardstand and disembark via bus...

For T1, there are no remote stands left at that hour. Swiss, Air France, Alitalia use the remote stands. Usually one or two aircraft gets towed to cargo area.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7323 times:

Sorry....not really new news....!! It's been that way for YEARS..!! Just some days are better then others depending on flow control and weather.
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Rush hour JFK style 15 years ago.... times they do not change.

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 4):
Has JFK taken the spot of worst of the 3 NY airports?

I would say it's still a tie between EWR and LGA, but JFK is getting there!


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 4):
Has JFK taken the spot of worst of the 3 NY airports?

Nooo....JFK has certainly gotten busier in the last few years, but not quite as delayed as LGA or EWR...


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Hey

flew LH 411 JFK-MUC.. LH now use A346 and not A333 so the seat capacity went up by over 100 seats...the boarding are is now a total mess in T1 with a massive crowd of people waiting for the CA flight which is on a 744 right next to our usual gate.

Pushed back 20 minutes late and took off 3 hours late... and yes taxi time was 2 hours 40 minutes for departure on 22R..at one point we stopped taxiing cause nothing was moving anymore and shut off both engines..

JFK might be a mess, but hey its NY and i still love every minute of it Big grin

Leo



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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

Forget it.

Skyteam should rebuild DELTA's terminal together!

Terminal 1 is a very nice terminal the way its built. I just do not understand why they brought in Saudi Arabia, Aeroflot & AeroMexico I thought everyone was doing fine at Delta's terminal.


User currently offlineISIDRINK From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

I regularly fly out of Terminal 1 on flights to Mexico and Germany. Crowds and waiting times depend completely on the time of day. In the morning AMX is flying to Mexico City and JAL to Tokyo. The terminal is quite peaceful. In the afternoon it starts getting crowded when all the european flights arrive and all gates are occupied...
Otherwise, I think it is a great terminal to fly out of. Lots of places to sit down and plug in a laptop, plenty of room to sit down and relax before a flight; quite an upgrade for AMX passengers who were used to terminal 3.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 11):
I just do not understand why they brought in Saudi Arabia, Aeroflot & AeroMexico I thought everyone was doing fine at Delta's terminal.

Delta needed room to expand, so all of the tenant airlines were kicked out.


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 664 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

I've noticed that AA's flights from JFK to Europe departing between 6 and 8 have been arriving a good hour late each day, despite pushing on or close to time. My guess is that the ground congestion at JFK is the culprit.

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

You even get towed into T1 now which makes you loose another 15 minutes...because of ongoing construction work behind T1 on the Delta Terminal!

BTW i could swear last time i flet to JFK there where around 800 people waiting to go into the immigration hall! And we all had to stop in the finger and then a lady cam foward telling all US citicens to come foward, while others had to stay back  Silly

Boy do i love having that passport somethimes Big grin

Leo



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

I wouldn't blame this experience on Terminal 1, however I do know first hand how crowded it can get at sometimes during the evening especially now when it seems like the terminal is operating at its max. This week especially has been bad on the entire east coat due to weather which has cause delays from BOS to MIA. In the summer bad weather is a common occurrence in the New York area which causes numerous delays especially on the taxiways since every aircraft is trying to get up off the ground before the storm starts.

The evening is definitely the airports most busiest time in terms of departures and with the added amount of jet Blue and Delta flights this summer along with the increased frequencies of some international carries like Turkish and Icelandair, delays are bound to happen!



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User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

I was on jetBlue flight 95 last night from JFK to OAK and we waited over 2 hours on the tarmac to take off. Praise Jesus for the T.V.s, but I now have a new appreciation for cloth seats over leather. The leather seats get very warm and uncomfortable.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

The delays are not due to the "arrival of Swiss and Aeroflot" or Terminal 1 for that matter. The problem is congestion at JFK and other area airports in general. Evenings, particularly in summertime, are challenging because so many flights depart between 6 and 10pm to Europe, South America, and now to the Middle East and South Asia. You also have to factor in JetBlue, AA, and Delta, all of which have significant operations at JFK, and are adding more short and medium haul flights there.

Terminal One is crowded because the airport is crowded. It ain't much better at any other terminal.

JFK used to be really busy in the afternoons and evenings, but not so much earlier in the day. JetBlue capitalized on this and that is why they established their hub there.

I have flown to Paris CDG (AF), Las Vegas (US), and London LHR (BA) in the last two months from JFK and all my flights left right on schedule with an extra hour and change taxiing.

Get used to it.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21865 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

Unfortunately, JFK has had a number of weather-related issues in the past week with thunderstorms popping up during the afternoon and shutting down departure routes. This leads to planes that can't depart, but have to vacate their gates for other airplanes, and so end up in limbo on the taxiways. Eventually, the airport starts to run out of taxiways to put airplanes on, and the planes that can depart start to get stuck behind the planes that can't. The increase in traffic for the summer doesn't help.

As for Terminal 1, yes it is overcrowded. When you have arrivals waiting two hours for a gate, you have a serious problem. It may be my least favorite terminal to fly out of at JFK, after T2/3 and T8. Yes, it looks nice, but the security line takes forever, and the food and shopping options are pretty pathetic.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 4):
Has JFK taken the spot of worst of the 3 NY airports?

It all depends. The terminals are on the whole nicer than LGA or EWR, and delays are generally low, but the afternoon/evening departure rush can really be a killer.

-Mir



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

I was on LH401 to FRA. on Wednesday night (14 June) We were supposed to push at 1630, but some woman who checked a bag didn't board the flight so by the time they pulled the bag it was 17:10 and we hit the rush hour. We didn't push from the gate until 17:50 but got off the ground at 18:12 , we were lucky I saw at least 15-20 planes waiting when we took off.

Of course we got into FRA 1 hour 40 minutes late and about 200 people missed their connections.

[Edited 2007-06-15 09:11:47]

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5708 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Terminal ONE seems to be very overcrowded, Virgin and Singapore left years ago. The replacements are lower quality airlines, Aeromexico & Aeroflot

AeroMexico IS NOT a lower quality airline! Actually their inflight product is a tremendously better than what you get on a similar AA flight to Mexico and even better than their SkyTeam Member, Delta!!!!
Aeroflot has also made a lot of strides as well from what I've read.
Since Aeroflot and Aeromexico are SkyTeam, is there a possiblilty they will move into the main DL departure & arrivals areas or is it just too crowded at this point with all the expansion?

I too have waited on the tarmac for over two hours on a DL flight to LAX a couple of times. It had to do with weather and a storm getting ready to come onshore. In someways, it reminds me of SFO for that fact when the fog rolls in there, they reduce operations to one runway [at least they used too]. Is it the same type of operation @ JFK when inclement weather is on the horizon?

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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Will be on the Swiss flight from ZRH that arrives at 15:40 in a few weeks from now. Anybody who arrived into T1 with this flight or at a simmilar time, will I need to expect long line at immigration? The good old times at T4 also when many flights arrived at once there was never a big chaos and everythign ran smoothly. Not to forget the departure out of T4 with the nice LX lounge.

User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

I think a lot of the issue is many airlines planning flights on the hour or half hour. They have to start planning on the 10's or 15 and 45's to spread the departures out a little. Everyone leaving at 6:30 will obviously have massive delays.

User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

I hope not to take the thread off-topic, but how busy should I expect int'l arrivals at JFK T4 to be at this time of the day, that is (Friday) late evening??? If my flight is scheduled to arrive at 21:25 (from AMS) - assuming it will be on time - how much time should I expect it will take me to clear immigration, reclaim luggage and get to subway station?
Optimistic/realistic/pesimistic scenario?


25 AirFranceJFK : Not much in the way of arriving traffic at 2125L at T4. Expect to see Asiana, Virgin and a bit later on, the Air Jamaica and Taca arrivals. Thats abo
26 Spacecadet : I've flown that JAL flight, and yeah, T1 is pretty dead at that time. Get there early enough and you literally have the entire terminal to yourself.
27 N757KW : This may not help you. But 2 weeks ago I arrived in T1 at about 1PM off of KE081. The U.S. Citizen/Resident line was very short. But, all others was
28 Beeweel15 : Terminal 1 is not crowded because the airport is crowded T1 is crowded due to the fact they have two many carriers. Swiss always had a gate when they
29 Mir : JFK rarely uses only one runway. Fog will result in only one landing runway being used, but there is another one for departures. But that's the sort
30 Post contains links STT757 : According to US News and World Reports who cite FAA data JFK is the worst NYC airport for delays, and the misery factor. http://www.usnews.com/usnews
31 DeltAirlines : Aeroflot definetely used to be in T2/T3, and I think Aeromexico was as well, not to mention carriers like Air Jamaica, Saudia, etc. that all used to
32 Amirs : Bu I will always prfer flying out of JFK at night to Europe and being able to sleep until Landing the next morning.
33 LXA340 : Thanks for that. Well I really don't understand why al those airlines need to be in T1, especially all those from Sky Team. LX and LH make sense, how
34 JFK69 : I am sure the room is non existent but what are the odds of B6 putting any type of carrier with them in their new or old terminal?
35 EddieDude : Why do you say so? Is it because you consider that flag carriers from emerging countries are lower quality? Have you flown AM lately? I wonder on wha
36 Aerofan : The reason LXA340 is because the terminal is owned by several airlines. IIRC, it is owned by LH, AF JL just to name a few
37 CXA330300 : Terminal 1 is owned by JL, LH, AF, and KE. At another Terminal, I'm flying on BA174 to LHR (and connecting to TLV) at 19:00 next Saturday from Termina
38 RJpieces : I have bad news everyone....It's not just JFK in the evening. I flew out of JFK this morning...We pushed back at about 9:30 AM and had a 50 minute wai
39 UN_B732 : I feel pretty lucky that on 06/09 I flew JFK-SVO and we "only" spent 2:40 from closing the doors.. to waiting for pushback.. to waiting in the alleywa
40 Nycfly75 : I find that if the weather is ok, Sunday is the best afternoon/evening to depart from JFK to Europe. Last summer I was I flew on AZ 605 (which departs
41 RJpieces : I take back what I said in reply 38! I guess I'm underestimating how much new service was added to JFK this summer! Last summer, I took a 5:30 flight
42 CXA330300 : Any chance that PANYNJ may force some airlines to go to T4? Which flight was it? That sometimes happens to BA178 (the daytime JFK-LHR) and happened ba
43 WestIndian425 : Those are some weird stats. The "misery index" is based on the combination of flight delays and load factor? So if the ratio is higher, the index is
44 RJpieces : I hope so...No reason for Turkish, Olympic, or Air China to be in T1 and take up gates during the peak period, especially when T9 is practically empt
45 STT757 : Both EWR and LGA have more flights than JFK, JFK handles more travelers. IIRC Teterboro also has more flights than JFK.
46 GustyOrange : I returned to GLA from EWR last Sunday. We pushed back on time, waited for 30 minutes and then had a very slow taxi (taking approx 40 mins) for depart
47 Dc863 : Congestion at JFK has been an issue since 1968.
48 RJpieces : Yes, but not as much of an issue until fairly recently. Up until about 2003/04 when jetBlue's growth really took off, JFK was very quiet except durin
49 AlitaliaMD11 : I was out at JFK day today and there where definitely some delays all throughout the day. There was a storm cell that moved past the area but did not
50 EWRandMDW : I avoid JFK at ALL times! I detest that airport. Even when I lived in New York City and had to travel I would use LGA for domestic flights and EWR for
51 CXA330300 : It looks to be slightly better this week: thunderstorms are only forecast for later today and Wednesday. The rest of the week we should see clear weat
52 UN_B732 : And clear weather should mean about 45 minute to 1 hour 15 minute taxi during 6pm block. hopefully. last time I flew out of JFK in clear weather at 9a
53 Tui : Hows the BA terminal then ? does it suffer from the same problem ? I remember flying Virgin a few years back when they used Terminal 1 we pushed back
54 Ucunnn2 : do you know what terminal Mexicana arrives into?
55 RJpieces : Terminal 4.
56 UN_B732 : I'm not sure I like T1 that much more than DL's terminal. They're both congested, but T2 has more fast food options (for now), it's not as hot inside
57 CXA330300 : Anyone know how things are doing with Terminal C at EWR? Time that can easily be made up for in the air: the BA flights from JFK that flew out on Frid
58 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : Turkish introduced TK11/TK12 very recently for the summer season which only operates on Saturdays. I actually think yesterday might have been the fir
59 ANITIX87 : Since when? I flew into T1 with LX in March and we did not get towed. Is this something new? The only airline I've used JFK with in the last 10 years
60 WestIndian425 : What exactly do you mean? I stand corrected. You're right there. However, EWR is operating at 110% capacity, IIRC, wheras Kennedy can still grow (whi
61 STT757 : If EWR is more capacity strained compared to JFK, then why are the delays worse at JFK (FAA info in post #30). EWR's situation is going to improve tr
62 B6ramprat : I can not tell you how many times we wait at the gate for half an hour to almost an hour for the plane to come in. This is after its been called on de
63 RJpieces : I agree with you, to an extent. I think that the number of RJs into LGA and JFK during rush hour should be limited, though I don't think there should
64 BN727 : Dude...It's worse than ever now...Delta has elected to add massive amounts of commuter flights...They are shooting themselves in the foot at the expe
65 Alitalia744 : Again with your hatred of Delta...seriously bro, get over it. Delta is not the sole-problem of JFK, and sorry to say, but Delta is here to stay at JF
66 RJpieces : Delta is not the sole-problem, but Delta deciding to compete with B6 on routes like JFK-PIT/CMH/BNA etc etc has significantly contributed to delays a
67 BN727 : It was fine even when Jetblue started ramping up...Delta had to start copy catting...Remember that silly attempt called "Song" ..Then Delta started a
68 CXA330300 : Agreed. Far too much capacity on these routes now. DL should concentrate the regional routes through ATL and leave mainline for JFK. Proof?
69 Panamair : Actually, dude, most of DL's commuter flights at JFK were already added last year; the BDL, PHL, MHT, PWM, BTV, PVD flights were all there last summe
70 Post contains images WestIndian425 : I wouldn't say far too much capacity. Those flights aren't exactly leaving empty. Based on the misery index? I don't know. But I doubt the delays at
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