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Lufthansa Announce Egypt Air Codeshare Tie-up  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Lufthansa issued press release on 14JUN07 announcing the signing of codeshare deal with EgyptAir, effective 2007/08 Winter timetable.

In the future all flights between Germany and Egypt will be operating under codeshare basis. This mainly covers, Frankfurt - Cairo, Munich - Cairo, Frankfurt - Alexandria.

Further codeshare to other cities in Egypt and North Africa are being planned.

In return Egypt Air plans to codeshare on LH's intra-Germany, intra-Europe, and North American flight.

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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

One step closer for Egyptair to join * Alliance .


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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
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Great news! Egypt Air is indeed a step closer to Star Alliance membership. I know MS already codeshares with other Star Alliance members such as LX, AU and SQ. Are there any others as well?

User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 2):
I know MS already codeshares with other Star Alliance members such as LX, AU and SQ. Are there any others as well?

TP,OS and THY ( roumoured to join *A ) .



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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3207 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3):
TP,OS and THY ( roumoured to join *A ) .

I meant OS, have no idea why I mentioned AU  Confused

And how could I forget TP, I read the good news on their website last month before I travelled with them to LIS. The TP flight reminded my of MS though  Silly


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

I forgot to mention that MS codeshares with South African as well .

Egyptair announced the news on their website


www.egyptair.com

[Edited 2007-06-14 22:20:14]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 2):
I know MS already codeshares with other Star Alliance members such as LX, AU and SQ.

I don't think MS codeshares with LX. There is no indication of that in current schedules.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
I don't think MS codeshares with LX. There is no indication of that in current schedules.

Actually , they do . Here is a list of MS code share partners :

http://www.egyptair.com/English/AboutEgyptAir/CodeSharePartner/



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 7):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
I don't think MS codeshares with LX. There is no indication of that in current schedules.

Actually , they do . Here is a list of MS code share partners :

Yes, thanks, I overlooked that MS does codeshare on LX-operated flights ZRH-CAI. It seems to be a one-sided arrangement limited only to that route. LX does not codeshare on MS-operated flights GVA-CAI, and LX doesn't include any MS flights in their website or timetable.


User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

That's GREAT !!!!

Completely expected with all the rumours running around, but wonderful news!!!

So far our predictions have all materialized regarding future potential Star Alliance partners: TAM, TACA, Egyptair.

I must admit, though, Air India was a complete surprise!

So what are the next in line with our predictions: Air One, Ethiopian, Qatar, Virgin (the entire group)

Cheers!!!


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3000 times:
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Quoting Qazar (Reply 9):
So far our predictions have all materialized regarding future potential Star Alliance partners: TAM, TACA, Egyptair.

none of which have ( yet ) been announced as definitely joining Star ( apart from MS stating their own wishes repeatedly for a number of years now ) . the codeshare and co-operation agreements are certainly significant indicators - but not conclusive - and TAM have been recently quoted as saying that they are not inclined towards joining an alliance .

Quoting Qazar (Reply 9):
So what are the next in line with our predictions: Air One, Ethiopian, Qatar, Virgin (the entire group) .

Air One I think are a shoe-in ( though what happens with Alitalia may have an impact on whether they join as a regional or as a full member )

ET , like MS are mentioned in a very odd way in the following link from ATW dated 5 April this year ( yes , I know that publication is a bit hit and miss )

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other....e=4%2F5%2F2007

Lufthansa will ..... we will introduce our new first class on time on our A340 fleet by 2009," Executive VP-Marketing and Sales Thierry Antinori told ATWOnline. ......Separately, Antinori said Star Alliance signed an MOU with both EgyptAir and Ethiopian Airlines for bilateral cooperation. "But that does not mean both carriers will be members of the alliance," he cautioned.

whether that means one or the other will join but not both , or whether is should read
"But that does not necessarily mean both carriers will be members of the alliance," he cautioned.
is still not clear .

VS , rumour has it , keeps getting vetoed by BD and UA - it seems that all that others want them on board . Certainly DJ would be a great addition and seems to have been moving away from its low cost origins in gradual steps - and if Virgin can get VK working and profitable ( its fleet seem to be downgraded everytime you blink ) then they would be a valuable addition in West Africa

as for QR , they look the most likely of the Gulf state carriers , but it is by no means certain , they may decide that the EK strategy of going it alone will constrain them less and it may also be that existing Star carriers see them as more of a traffic diverter than a traffic generator .



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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
as for QR , they look the most likely of the Gulf state carriers , but it is by no means certain , they may decide that the EK strategy of going it alone will constrain them less and it may also be that existing Star carriers see them as more of a traffic diverter than a traffic generator .

In all honesty, I don't see the advantage of inviting a Gulf based airline into the alliance. LH serves every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and Iraq. Add to that the network by Swiss, and the new feeder possibility by MS, and you've got the Middle East covered from the West. Between Singapore, Thai, and Air India, East originating passengers are also well connected.

The only advantage to a Gulf airline (Emirates, Gulf Air, Qatar,...) would have been its services to India, but with Air India/Indian Airlines now 1 step closer to joining the alliance, I really don't see the advantage (or at least the rush) to have a Gulf airline sollicited.

If I were to point out a next necessity for *A, I would probably look into Russia. Although the LH network into Russia in quite respectable, I believe a partner there would be very beneficiary for further access into the Russian market.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2844 times:
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Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
If I were to point out a next necessity for *A, I would probably look into Russia. Although the LH network into Russia in quite respectable, I believe a partner there would be very beneficiary for further access into the Russian market.

at the risk of going off topic Star have said that Russia is a priority and that they hope to announce one next year

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/05/31/afx3773262.html

TOKYO (XFN-ASIA) - The Star Alliance is hoping that it can announce deals with an Indian airline this year and a Russian carrier next year, according to the alliance's chief executive, Jaan Albrecht.

The 17-member code-sharing alliance is talking with state-run Air India and Indian private carrier Jet Airways, Albrecht told reporters here.

'I am sure that by the end of 2007 we will be able to make an announcement about a new partner, first in India, and probably next year in Russia,' he said.


I understand that the newly formed AiRUnion is tipped as very likely , although BD currently codeshares with Transaero so I guess they are a possibility too.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
I understand that the newly formed AiRUnion is tipped as very likely , although BD currently codeshares with Transaero so I guess they are a possibility too.

AirUnion member KrasAir own Oneworld airline Malev, just to make things more confusing  wink 



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
AirUnion member KrasAir own Oneworld airline Malev, just to make things more confusing

However AiRUnion have strategic cooperation with Austrian.....


User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
I understand that the newly formed AiRUnion is tipped as very likely , although BD currently codeshares with Transaero so I guess they are a possibility too.

Transaero's network is mostly international. What *A needs is a Russian partner to provide connections with Russian cities presently not served by any of alliance partners...

What Russian airline has a large enough domestic network to effectively compete against Aeroflot's?


User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
One step closer for Egyptair to join * Alliance .



Quoting HECA (Reply 2):
I know MS already codeshares with other Star Alliance members such as LX, AU and SQ. Are there any others as well?

If Egyptair joined Star Alliance, it would allow greater mileage benefits to/from Japan and Australia (via TG/BKK). Australia currently has only SQ and TG serving major cities and few domestic services (except for a limited number of codeshare services with DJ). It would also provide more route options (via BKK). That would benefit Egyptair and its passengers. More, and more flexible travel options and the associated competition is a good thing.


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