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BA Flight Delayed 8hrs B/c Of Arabic Playing Cards  
User currently offlineBlujaay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Hello,

I just read this story, thought it was quite interesting...

Source: Airwise

A passenger flight to Miami was delayed for more than seven hours yesterday after the discovery of playing cards with Arabic writing in a toilet triggered a security alert.

The British Airways Boeing 747, with 329 passengers on board, had been given the all-clear after being swept by security staff at Heathrow's Terminal 3 when a crew member discovered the cards.

The jet had been moved from its stand when the captain decided to postpone the flight.

The cards were later found to feature a calendar written in Arabic.

"The flight was delayed because some Arabic cards were found in the rear toilet and that was after the aircraft had been fully searched and security cleared," a BA spokeswoman said.

"The only possibility was that a passenger had left it there and you do not take chances."

Missing its 12.45pm take-off slot meant that a change of flight crew was needed to comply with working time regulations, further delaying a new departure time.

The flight was thoroughly searched before taking off at 8.15pm.

bLuJaay

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Hehe...just BA doing their part to reinforce the stereotypes...  

User currently offlineFaisZ From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Agree, i bet if they found english cards, they wouldn't have made anything out of it.

User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Stereotype? What are you, kidding me?
I think a 50 year history of Anti-Western Arab initiated hijackings and bombings is more than enough basis to get nervous when you find something like that.
No offense, but this is just caution based on experience; quit bombing and hijacking planes and we'll probably be a little less nervous.


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Remember that they said they found them after they had completed a security sweep. It wasn't that they found them in the first place.

One thing I don't understand. They said the passengers were on board already. So duh! one of the pax went to use the shitter and left their playing cards there. So what!




User currently offlineAb.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Mls515, the cards were the reason for the security check. First the cards and then the check.

User currently offlineAmir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

.....yet another stupid move..... Playing cards delaying the flight!
i wonder what would have been the reaction of the media if they found lets say turkish cards in a flight of Olympic?

It is so damn stupid...! i hope that BA will be sued for this by some angry pax who got into trouble because of this!

Rgds
Amir


User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

I guess that you are missing the point, following a security check the toilets are LOCKED. Finding anything in there indicates that someone was in there and you have no way of knowing if this person is actually a honest passenger with a bladder problem. The solution sounds severe, but what if..............

Better to safe and alive.


User currently offlineTripl7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Would BA have gone hyper if the writing was in Chinese instead of Arabic?
It shouldn't have taken them that long to "Decode" the writing. Not in London. It is not that difficult to find a Pakistani, perhaps even among the security personel, to save BA some embarassament. And expense.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6495 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

So what can we all learn from that?
Maybe this:
"Next time you sneak on board a parked plane in order to place a time bomb after it has been security checked, then you should not forget your playing cards in the small room. And if you forget them anyway, then remember to erase any Arabic text on them first".
Happy landing, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRaddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

How utterly ridiculous. From the story, it seems that the discovery of the cards came AFTER the security sweep. So they had to sweep it again. Next thing you know they'll be banning Arabic playing cards as a security threat.

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2008 times:

This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.....
if they fear Arabs (and maybe even consider them all as terrorists like Morecy does), why does BA or any other western carrier fly to Dubai, Riyad, Kuwait, etc etc....?
Obviously BA and others like to have Arabs as paying passengers.....

I am not Arab myself, but if I were one, I would certainly not be flying BA anymore.....

Thomas


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2000 times:

I feel sorry for the guy who went to his poker party without cards! 


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1988 times:

I will say this again.
I guess that you are missing the point, following a security check the toilets are LOCKED. Finding anything in there indicates that someone was in there and you have no way of knowing if this person is actually a honest passenger with a bladder problem. The solution sounds severe, but what if..............

Better to safe and alive.

expanded...

The point of a security check is tha the cabin is secure, maybe some passenger knew how to unlock the toilets....... but if you were a passenger would you like to take the risk, especially considering the present Middle East situation????

Safety is not an accident, it is planned....




User currently offlineAltaaf99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1975 times:

Easy there Morecy...you made quite a radical comment above, especially on a site that is viewed by people from all parts of the globe. Keep your racist and sterotypical comments to yourself next time please. No offence though....

User currently offlineAltaaf99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1969 times:

Morecy....actually while we're at it why don't we search all arabs as they enter the plane...."caution based on experice" right?.....according to racists like you all security checks should be based on sterotypes....we can even search the black people for drugs.....right?

User currently offlineMace_2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Morecy, couldent have said it better, they have a record of doing crap like blowing planes out of the sky, it should have been a problem, and BA did the right thing.

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Sorry, but the forum rules forbid to give an adequate answer to posts like this.....


Mace_2 wrote:
-------------------------------
Morecy, couldent have said it better, they have a record of doing crap like blowing planes out of the sky, it should have been a problem, and BA did the right thing.


User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

You're assuming a lot...that the pax who left the cards even was Arabic for starters. How do you know that the person with the bladder problem didn't get the cards in an Arabic-speaking country and brought them home for a souvenir, then happened to leave them in a lavatory??

So, should a copy of Das Kapital or Mao Zedong's Red Book left in the lav start a Communist search (a la McCarthy)?


Corey777


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6495 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Easy Altaaf99, Morecy has statistically got a very valid point. It can also be said the other way around:
"Statistically there just ain't many Danes out there - or Scandinavians for that matter - who ever blew up an airliner. In general we find such acts untimely".
Morecy even indicated the perfect way to solve the problem - just to refrain from blowing up airliners.

But that said, I wonder what these security sweeps really are. When we normal pax watch a plane being turned around, then we watch a small army of people cleaning the plane, catering people, people supplying tax free goods, newpaper suppliers, etc. and of course mech people if there is a screw to adjust. They have hardly left the plane when we board the plane, pull the safety card and out on the floor falls trash from several days of activity. I haven't found playing cards yet, but almost anything else in that seat pocket. How much security sweep is that?
And then 8 hours delay. If a sweep takes place, then the airline company has no police to watch the plane from all angles from end of sweep until push back. It's the task of the airport to keep the area "safe". When a sweep has to be repeated, okay, then the departure slot is missed, but then the airport must also grant that plane some priority, and maybe for that reason delay a few other planes one or two minutes instead of holding that particular plane back for seven more hours.
Something completely crazy has been going on here. Something so completely out of proportion to the real problem that it is really difficult for we outsiders not to just joke about it.
Last time I flew with BA - on a 757 two months ago, then we departed a little late due late arriving aircraft. The captain regretted the small delay, but informed us that due to a record time turn around - 35-40 minutes - and a nice tailwind we would arrive on schedule, which we did. I guarantee there was no security sweep. The trash from the previous flight was hardly moved under the carpet. No complain from me about that, I would rather kick old trash and forgotten stuff from a previous flight than be delaid - I was on a tight schedule. No complain, I just tell it the way it was.
Happy landing, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

I agree with Morcey.

User currently offlineAltaaf99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Correy777 could'nt have put it better...if some white guy left something in the bathroom after the 'security check' then we all know (and let's not be in denial) no one on BA would have cared at all...only because they were arabic cards was it such a big deal....we should not just blindly follow these sterotypes....there are arabic ppl that dont blow up planes and actually travel u know...or have we forgotten that?

User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I am surprised..
as i noticed, british airways has a large variety of arabic personnel and cabin crew, it was so simple that they can let one of their arabic staff see those cards and tell!


User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Morecy and Mace:
You are correct.
Others:
All security checks are based on sterotypes. Most flights to the middle east have heightened security checks. Most people going through customs are pulled aside by their looks, body language or religious appearance. For most of the people here who have never flown overseas, that is how it is done. White people flying into Heathrow do not get asked too many questions, African-Americans, Indians, Arabs etc are more likely to get stopped for some reason.

notice: I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS PRACTICE... I AM MERELY POINTING OUT THAT IT DOES OCCUR AND IT IS THE REASON FOR MOST CHECKS Please no taking this out of context.

Regards,
BD


User currently offlineAltaaf99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

I agree with BritishMidland..but I disagree with Morcey and his comment that arabs should simply stop blowing things up and things will be cool...we're not all terrorists....

25 Raddog2 : If I recall correctly, the last major act of terrorism in the United States was perpetrated by white supremacists. In fact, right after the bombing (O
26 UAL747 : The problem is statistics. Statistically, Arab extremests have been known to be the supporters, and collaborators of terrorist acts upon the rest of t
27 Amir : Dear all! many of the above posts have made me reconsider my postings at this froum. It not only showed that many forummembers are quite racists but m
28 Blujaay : A New article regarding this incident: Source: Guardian Unlimited http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,411902,00.html
29 Englandair : I think alot of you are missing the point. Given passed (& hopefully now finished) events, British Airways/the security forces acted as I'm sure the v
30 Love to fly : Bravo to BA!! Sometimes the best way isn't the most convenient. It would have been easy to ignore the security breach and hope for the best, most like
31 IndianGuy : Better to be safe than to be sorry. I dont think that it matters whether the playing cards were in Arabic. That is not the point. Lets put it this way
32 Raddog2 : But was it checked because it was unidentified? Or because it was in Arabic? Do you seriously think the response would have been the same had the card
33 Love to fly : Yes, it's not right to be racist, it's not fair, life's not fair. Statistics don't lie, we don't have to like what they tell us, but statistics don't
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