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787 Assembly Update (Detailed) - Part IV  
User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14999 times:

Hello All,

Some serious progress going on in Everett over the last several days to tell you about.

- Horizontal stabilizer and tail cone are now joined and were moved into the final assembly area on June 13.
- Rudder has been joined to the vertical stabilizer and moved to the final assembly area on June 13.
- Engine pylon installation will be completed on June 15.
- Wing-Body join was confirmed as completed on June 15.
- Aft fuselage circumferential mating will be completed June 17.
- The joining of the horizontal stabilizer/tail cone to the aft fuselage will be completed by June 20.
- Vertical fin installation on the body of the aircraft will be completed by June 21.

Also, a little investigative work leads me to believe that the registration on LN0001 is going to be N787DL.
787 Registration: N787DL? (by IAD787 Jun 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Everything is on track for a trip to the paint shop on the 25th or 26th of June. 10 days to go!

Pictures, details and all kinds of good stuff are, as always, available at my site:

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

Onward,

IAD787


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14970 times:
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Quoting IAD787 (Thread starter):
- Aft fuselage circumferential mating will be completed June 17.

Is this the mating of Sections 46 and 47?


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14946 times:

No new high resolution photos, or am i missing them?

User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14913 times:

June 17th? Working on fathers day (US) I see. Interesting. They really want to get this to paint on time.

User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
No new high resolution photos, or am i missing them?

No new pictures specifically on this update. Sorry, should've been more clear about that. My fault.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Is this the mating of Sections 46 and 47?

Yep.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14768 times:

Any news on how much will remain undone inside by the June 25th paint shop date?

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 3):
June 17th? Working on fathers day (US) I see. Interesting. They really want to get this to paint on time.

Only bachelors and women will be in that day.  Wink



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

Many thanks, IAD787, VERY good information which is not available from any other source.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14633 times:
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Any news on how much will remain undone inside by the June 25th paint shop date?

Sure  Smile

Anything on the inside of the plane. No tubing, no wiring, no systems.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14547 times:

Good progress though. How long will it take them to install the systems after the roll out?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14526 times:
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According to everyone on this forum? 7 weeks.

According to the people I have spoken with? 12-24 weeks


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14465 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
According to the people I have spoken with? 12-24 weeks

I really don't know why Boeing don't throw their hand in and switch Everett over to producing cheap washing-machines. It's quite obvious to those that know that they're not going to get that thing into the air before 2020 at the earliest......  Smile



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14446 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
It's quite obvious to those that know that they're not going to get that thing into the air before 2020 at the earliest......

Huh?


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14384 times:

Just meant that I'm morally certain that the 787 will be flying by early September and be delivered on schedule by May 2008, as promised, Clickhappy.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14270 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
It's quite obvious to those that know that they're not going to get that thing into the air before 2020 at the earliest......

Oh I get it. Since you disagree with my message you decided to mock me. Makes perfect sense now.

If you disagree with my information, that is fine. If I am wrong I will have to deal with a lot of "told you so" type posts. That's fine. Of course, that is also a two-way street.

But, there really is no need to exaggerate ("into the air before 2020"). That's just lame.


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
According to everyone on this forum? 7 weeks.

According to the people I have spoken with? 12-24 weeks

How long does it take for a 777 to move thru the factory, start to final?

I don't think installing the systems into/on the airplane as a potential problem, its getting power onto the airplane the first time, getting everything to work correctly, including the instrumentation for flight test.

Cheers


User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14017 times:

Not sure of the time now, but I know Boeing wants to get it down to fewer than 10 days. Final assembly that is.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13882 times:
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It takes 12-14 days to move a 777 down the line, including final join. Remember however, the 777 line is mature. A better way to look at it would be compare new models, but I don't have the data in front of me.

It took about 9 weeks (from memory) from rollout to first flight of the 777-300ER program, but the ER is a derivative.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13865 times:
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I found data on the 777 program.

The first 777-200 entered final body join on 15Dec 1993.

It rolled out on 9April 2004.

Most likely this was a "complete" aircraft as it would not have taken them 4 months to rivet and paint the fuse.

First flight was 12June 2004.

So, 6 months from final join to first flight. For the 777 program.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13854 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
According to everyone on this forum? 7 weeks.

According to the people I have spoken with? 12-24 weeks

Thank you for the information. I appreciate your answer even if others here did not.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13789 times:
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This link, from another thread, is interesting

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ptember-for-787s-first-flight.html

"We have until the end of September [to fly] and then we have to start looking at the flight-test window" to establish whether the May 2008 first delivery schedule to All Nippon Airways can be achieved, he says.

So, if it flys on 30September it wont change the EIS date, although that would be 3-5 weeks late.

If it doesn't fly until 31October, 7-9 weeks late, it would move EIS back by one month. And so on and so on.

A first flight in December would (so it appears) delay EIS by 3 months.

edit for typo

[Edited 2007-06-15 21:32:27]

User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13731 times:

So what about the main landing gear? Wasn't that supposed to arrive at Everett April 3rd?

User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13184 times:

Dose anybody know when the sections will arrive in PAE for numbers 2-6 to begin construction???


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Quoting Ilikeflight (Reply 21):
Dose anybody know when the sections will arrive in PAE for numbers 2-6 to begin construction???

Boeing expects a ship set from Vought around June 19-21. This will most likely be for the static test bird (non-flying).



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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11217 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
I really don't know why Boeing don't throw their hand in and switch Everett over to producing cheap washing-machines. It's quite obvious to those that know that they're not going to get that thing into the air before 2020 at the earliest......

I don't think 6 months is really all that bad, considering the complexity of the project. I believe that Microsofts Vista OS was about 1 year behind their internal schedule, Apple has had plenty of late stuff. As an engineer I have been involved in some projects that were really late. Intel had an entire CPU that had to be redone because of overheating. How late is that V-22 project or doesn't that one count? If they come out with a great airplane that is only 6 months late, I'd say great job ---- two years might be stretching their luck though.


User currently offline757Driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

Quoting IAD787 (Thread starter):
Also, a little investigative work leads me to believe that the registration on LN0001 is going to be N787DL.
787 Registration: N787DL?

The registration N787DL is for 787 Dream Liner.


25 Hamster : What we see now is just the frame. There will be no interior parts, or cable or anything for a while. I still think 2008 is optimistic for a delivery.
26 NAV20 : Meant as a joke, Clickhappy - obviously not a good one. Apologies, it was late at night and I’m afraid that I ‘saw red’ at your (unsupported) m
27 Ikramerica : Which are factored into the schedule in the first place. Only extraordinary circumstances lead to any major project delays from a mature company who
28 Post contains images Iwok : Click.. I think he was joking with you because he thought you were joking about the 12-24 weeks... Oh well, I guess it got lost in the translation. B
29 Rheinbote : 3 month 'late' wouldn't be anywhere near a desaster, IMO it would still be a colossal achievement in terms of management and engineering. I'm pretty
30 IAD787 : Your tracked aircraft BOE632 has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to depart KPAE (Snohomish Co) at 09:00AM PDT heading for KCHS Charleston A
31 NAV20 : IAD787, as far as I know Boeing's adventurous strategy includes building about 30 more 787s DURING the final development stage (i.e. assembly, first
32 HanginOut : Clickhappy, is the year 1993 a typo or am I misreading your post?
33 474218 : How many weeks are there in a month? 3-months is 12 weeks. 24 weeks, would be 5 1/2 months.
34 Clickhappy : It was a typo. 2004 should be 1994.
35 Post contains images WingedMigrator : And the true sign of success is not an on-time first flight or EIS, but a successful industrial ramp-up that achieves 112 deliveries by the end of 20
36 TazzrassinIDA : I for one really appreciate these detailed, easy to understand, and organized updates. It will be a great thing to finally see this bird in the air!
37 NYC777 : A little bit more information: The Trent 1000's are in the house. One of the main landing gear trucks is on the factory floor (little elves must have
38 NYC777 : Both MLG are on the floor, both engines struts are on and the tail fin (vertical stab) is on and being bolted down on the fuselage today.
39 Clydenairways : Can somebody post some latest photos. That Blogspot site is blocked here at work.
40 Post contains images NAV20 : Just checked it, Clydenairways, you're not missing out, nothing new since the ones of the wing being offered up. I'd be surprised if Boeing let any mo
41 DAYflyer : And Elvis has left the building...... Seriously, thanks for all the superb updates. I just wish we had some new photos....
42 NYC777 : Me too. I was hopin that Mike Bair would have released a few during his 787 update today in PAris but I can't find anything.
43 Post contains links JD747 : I don't know if it's been posted before, but there are new pitures of the 787 http://boeingmedia.com/imageRelease.cfm Regards[Edited 2007-06-19 16:47:
44 NYC777 : Great find, Thanks for the link, those are great pics. Also notice the image of the 787-10. It seems to me that they're still serious about it.
45 Post contains links NYC777 : Did anyone read this about the 787-10: "LE BOURGET, France, June 19, 2007-- In addition to working on the near-term milestones associated with produci
46 Post contains links NYC777 : There are some great pics of the 787 in this presentation from Mike Bair today: http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/paris07/assets/071906_bair_pas.pdf
47 Post contains images Rheinbote : There's one design change that Boeing is yet to explain: Looks like the concept of having windows were the splices are between barrels S41 & S43 and S
48 OptionsCLE : Here at CO we have 787-8 models around. All of them have a missing window about 5-10 from the back as shown in that photo. No missing window up front
49 Rheinbote : That's because with the 787-8, the splice is immediately in front of door 2.
50 Lightsaber : Question, submarines have all gone to (partial) vertical integration. I'm wondering if the 787 will do this. (Its much easier to crane a heavy part i
51 Thebry : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/p...s.pdf Thanks for the preso!! It does have some fantastic shots. This plane is sooo much closer
52 NYC777 : Further progress on the first 787: HTP is on and done. The vertical stab is in position but not yet bolted on. Expect that this will be done very very
53 DAYflyer : Wow, thanks for the pictures and Bairs updates. Superb progress. "Changes in minutes, not days." Any word on the engines yet?
54 Post contains images RootsAir : Could Boeing come witj a whole new paint sheme for the dreamliner. ? Ok, there is the dream livery, but as we all know, the A380 was always seen sport
55 Post contains images Stitch : They could, but they won't. Boeing has a great deal invested in this livery so LN 001 will certainly wear it proudly when she is formally shown to th
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