Why??? They don't have a large operation at either of those airport. It just seems like a senseless move. There are so many other routes that could utilize these aircraft much better.
Oh well.
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Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 13323 posts, RR: 69 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6799 times:
Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 2): It won't last. AA has more AAdvantage strength in both LGA and MSP than NW FFP does in DFW.
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1): Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
3 times daily using 319 starting 05Sep07.
Is this the attack against AA's MSP-LGA service
It sound like it to me. Should be interesting.
..maybe its in "retaliation" to AA's recent moves....
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5773 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6772 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4): ..maybe its in "retaliation" to AA's recent moves....
Maybe, but I was thinking Retaliation would have been 12x LGA-MSP... attacking would be non-stop from 2 non-hub stations.. but, that's just my way of thinking .. which has been considered off by some.. but they are no longer around so we don't have to worry about them..
Junction From United States, joined Mar 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
Kind of surprising NW is trying to take on AA over their LGA-MSP flights. These tactics can work with airlines like YX, TZ or Reno Air, but AA at DFW? I wouldn’t be surprised to see AA do something else.
COERJ145 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
Wow, I didn't think NWA would respond this way..
From NWA.com
Northwest Airlines Announces New Nonstop Service Between Dallas And New York
Three daily weekday, two daily weekend flights to start Sept. 5
EAGAN, Minn. – (June 15, 2007) – Northwest Airlines (NYSE: NWA) today announced new service between Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW) and New York’s LaGuardia International Airport (LGA) beginning Sept. 5, 2007.
The new service will be operated with Northwest’s modern Airbus A319 aircraft, which feature 16 seats in first class and 108 seats in coach class.
“We are pleased to offer these new nonstop frequencies between Dallas and New York’s LaGuardia airport. Business travelers in particular will appreciate the conveniently timed morning, afternoon and evening flights,” said Tom Bach, vice president of network planning & revenue management.
The new flights between Dallas/Forth Worth and LaGuardia are open for sale through www.nwa.com, Northwest Airlines Reservations at 1-800-225-2525, or through travel agencies.
New Dallas - New York LaGuardia Service
Flight number: Departs: Arrives:
NW 1165* 7:00 a.m. 11:30 a.m.
NW 1167 12:00 p.m. 4:30 p.m.
NW 1171** 5:00 p.m. 9:35 p.m.
*Operates daily except Sunday
**Operates daily except Saturday
Customers currently holding tickets for travel Sept. 5, 2007 or beyond on all connecting itineraries from Dallas to New York’s LaGuardia will be able to change to Northwest’s new nonstop service without paying an administrative change fee, provided changes are made by July 15, 2007.
Northwest Airlines is one of the world’s largest airlines with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,400 daily departures. Northwest is a member of SkyTeam, an airline alliance that offers customers one of the world’s most extensive global networks. Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 900 cities in excess of 160 countries on six continents.
COERJ145 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6730 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6): Maybe, but I was thinking Retaliation would have been 12x LGA-MSP... attacking would be non-stop from 2 non-hub stations.. but, that's just my way of thinking .. which has been considered off by some.. but they are no longer around so we don't have to worry about them..
Same here, I was hoping NW would add a few A330s on this route as well .
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6730 times:
Quote: It won't last. AA has more AAdvantage strength in both LGA and MSP than NW FFP does in DFW.
This route will be based entirely on O&D passengers, and I doubt that NW can fill three 319's - they don't have a base at either LGA or DFW. AA, on the other hand, is quite well positioned in NYC, and can break into the LGA-MSP market based on NYC travellers.
This would be Disney-villain comical if it wasn't so tragic.
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LHUSA From United States, joined Aug 2005, 502 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6694 times:
Wow... I can just picture the decision makers saying "What route can we start just to piss off AA?" Shouldn't they be saying "What routes can we start that will make money?" At least AA has a strong presence in NY to justify starting LGA-MSP. Wonder how long this one will last.
Jr From United States, joined May 1999, 833 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6656 times:
This sounds silly. DL couldn't make it work with their strong NYC presence, there is no way NW will. But I guess at least for a few months, DFW will have one more focus city for sky team as a whole.
Sky team cities from DFW: EWR, JFK, CLE, CVG, DTW, MEM, ATL, SLC, MSC, IAH, SEA (AS code share on DL). Not too bad. And a temporary NW flight to LGA soon. Would be nice to see LAX on DL again too.
Has any alliance as a whole ever thought of creating a focus city out of a major market?
Searpqx From United States, joined Jun 2000, 4331 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6572 times:
Wow, this is just so 1993. What's next, poaching Revenue Management employees from AA and buying Sun Country because they dare operate out of MSP? I thought that the dinosaurs that made route decisions just to retaliate would have left the company with the rest of the deadwood that drove them into bankruptcy. Guess I was wrong.
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LawnDart From United States, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6573 times:
Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 2): It won't last. AA has more AAdvantage strength in both LGA and MSP than NW FFP does in DFW.
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3): Why??? They don't have a large operation at either of those airport. It just seems like a senseless move.
Quoting Junction (Reply 7): Kind of surprising NW is trying to take on AA over their LGA-MSP flights. These tactics can work with airlines like YX, TZ or Reno Air, but AA at DFW?
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 10): This route will be based entirely on O&D passengers, and I doubt that NW can fill three 319's
NW doesn't need a large base in either DFW or NYC; this route is simply their response to AA introducing LGA-MSP service which, on the face of it, makes about as much sense (and will probably pan out to be strictly O&D as well).
A couple of questions, though. Which airline alliance has the second-largest base of frequent fliers in the DFW area? Skyteam. Which terminal does NW fly out of at DFW? Delta's former hub terminal. Which terminal does NW fly in to at LGA? Delta's. Has NW asked DL if they'd like to codeshare on the route? I don't know. Can I earn DL FF miles on the NW flights? Yes.
So, NW offers rock-botton fares and takes, what, 200-300 passengers a day (O&D, mind you) away from AA. And Skyteam members can upgrade to First Class. Does AA reconsider their LGA-MSP service? Maybe. If not, NW stays put...
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 11): I can just picture the decision makers saying "What route can we start just to piss off AA?"
MrSTL From United States, joined Sep 2005, 453 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6558 times:
NW could actually inflict more damage on AA's yield at DFW than AA can at MSP. The above posts are correct AA holds larger traffic out of LGA and has more traffic out of DFW - LGA than NW does on MSP-LGA. NW could significantly drop fares between LGA-DFW and kill yields on an very strong AA route. Reminds me of when AA came into STL -pre-buyout and started STL-LGA and STL-LAX. There was a response from TWA-I do not remember what it was though. Fun to watch!
Burnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 6249 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6557 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 10): This route will be based entirely on O&D passengers, and I doubt that NW can fill three 319's - they don't have a base at either LGA or DFW.
You would be surprised, NW has had great success out of LGA and especially to IND. Though that goes both ways. NW's flights to DFW are constantly full.
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 11): This sounds silly. DL couldn't make it work with their strong NYC presence, there is no way NW will
See NW being Skyteam can get some customers from DL.
Before everyone knocks NW out of this, lets just see what happens. Lets not forget too that NW has a lower cost structure then AA.
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Flyinryan99 From United States, joined Feb 2001, 1462 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6533 times:
Quoting LHUSA (Reply 11): Wow... I can just picture the decision makers saying "What route can we start just to piss off AA?"
AA could probably easily upgrade a few DTW - LGA flights and take those Eagle planes and send them to either TOL or most likely FNT (from LGA) and take more passengers away from NW then NW could take away from AA in starting this route.
Commavia From United States, joined Apr 2005, 6799 posts, RR: 59 Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6497 times:
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): NW doesn't need a large base in either DFW or NYC
That's true. If losing money is their goal (which is what it looks like) then they don't need a strong market base at either end of the route.
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): this route is simply their response to AA introducing LGA-MSP service which, on the face of it, makes about as much sense (and will probably pan out to be strictly O&D as well).
Big, big difference. AA actually has a very strong (#2 in the region) presence in New York, and a somewhat sizeable presence in MSP. NW has basically no presence in either market.
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): Which airline alliance has the second-largest base of frequent fliers in the DFW area? Skyteam.
As the saying goes in the airline industry, there is a big difference between being a close second and being a distant second. Just as Delta always was a distant second to AA at DFW, SkyTeam is a far, far distant second from AA/OneWorld in the Metroplex. And, beyond that, I would question the assumption underlying your assertion: I'm not so sure that SkyTeam is now the #2 alliance in the Metroplex. With Delta's dramatic pulldown, and the movement of thousands of Dallas-area FFs over to AA and Southwest, I'm not quite so sure if Star isn't the #2 alliance in the area. United is now DFW's second largest legacy carrier, and USAirways (especially the westward-bound former HP traffic) is immensely popular at DFW. Beyond all of that, of course, is the reality that after AA, the obvious #2 FF program in the Metroplex is Southwest's RapidRewards, and between those two, they pretty much have about 95% of the region's travelers spoken for.
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): Which terminal does NW fly out of at DFW? Delta's former hub terminal. Which terminal does NW fly in to at LGA?
Does it make a bit of difference which terminal Northwest operates out of or which partner subleases them gates? No.
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): Has NW asked DL if they'd like to codeshare on the route?
Does it matter one bit, seeing as AA has virtually all the corporate travel, all the frequency, and just about all the DFW-NYC frequent flyers in Dallas/Fort Worth? No.
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 17): Does AA reconsider their LGA-MSP service? Maybe. If not, NW stays put...
Go talk to Delta. They thought the same thing about AA on LGA-ATL: just ride it out, make them suffer, and they'll pull out when they can't stand the heat. Guess what? Less than 18 months after starting, the route has been upgraded to all-mainline, and is doing quite well. And Delta's retaliation? History.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2538 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6459 times:
Quoting Jr (Reply 12): This sounds silly. DL couldn't make it work with their strong NYC presence, there is no way NW will. But I guess at least for a few months, DFW will have one more focus city for sky team as a whole.
Exactly. DL has a huge focus opertaion in LGA (and a hub in JFK), and still has a decent base in DFW, and they couldn't make the route work. NW has neither.
Looks like NW management hasn't learned anything from bankruptcy. I thought their days of throwing planes on routes just to piss off their competitors were over - sounds like it isn't. How about adding some routes that they know will make money? Or why not just double service on MSP-LGA if they're so concerned about AA?
TOLtommy From United States, joined Dec 2003, 2603 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6440 times:
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3): There are so many other routes that could utilize these aircraft much better.
Where did the LGA slots come from? Were they unused NWA slots, did they get them from another airline, or did they cut service on existing routes from LGA?
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 20): AA could probably easily upgrade a few DTW - LGA flights and take those Eagle planes and send them to either TOL or most likely FNT (from LGA)
If NWA could find 3 slots for the DFW service, I wonder why they didn't consider TOL-LGA. There's startup cash sitting there for the route. Route a few CRJ's MSP-TOL-LGA and take advantage of TOL. Sheesh.... Hard to believe after all NWA went through that they still respond tit-for-tat like this.
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6390 times:
Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 2): It won't last. AA has more AAdvantage strength in both LGA and MSP than NW FFP does in DFW.
Say what you want.. NWA has fares lower than AA for the most part. This could drive down revenue on one of American Airlines bread and butter domestic business routes. In case you havent seen people are voting with price, and not name.
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3): Why??? They don't have a large operation at either of those airport.
It is called point to point..
Quoting Commavia (Reply 21): AA actually has a very strong (#2 in the region) presence in New York, and a somewhat sizeable presence in MSP. NW has basically no presence in either market.
NWA has a following in DFW as well. It is not as if NWA is an unknown in the DFW market. NWA in fact operates 14x per day, and with this addition 17x per day in the DFW market.
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 22): Exactly. DL has a huge focus opertaion in LGA (and a hub in JFK), and still has a decent base in DFW, and they couldn't make the route work. NW has neither.
You are forgetting that DL and CO will more than likely be putting their codes on these flights..
LGAtoIND From United States, joined Jan 2005, 489 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6370 times:
I hope NW didn't cut any service to IND for this route, although I wouldn't be shocked if IND, MSP, and MEM all lost 1 frequency. I agree with others that this route has no chance of success, just like NW's brilliant LAX-DEN route. I think NW knows that they will lose money, and is only hoping that they hurt AA just enough to make them rethink LGA-MSP. It is good to see that they have some balls though. I am a NW FF in NYC/IND so I will probably use this flight (while it lasts) if I have a reason to go to DFW. Does anyone know if DL will codeshare on this route?
I guess that would mean that NW's service from LGA will be: IND, DTW, MSP, MEM, DFW.
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26 PSU.DTW.SCE: I will admit, this move is rather humorous. Right as rain, you can always count of NW to cook up some sort of response to when anyone goes into one of
27 EXAAUADL: Of course..but given that NW is weak in both LGA and DFW, this will fail big time....At least AA is strong on the LGA part of LGA-MSP. What did NW ha
28 LGAtoIND: Actually, thinking this over, I wondered why NW did not add service from IND-DFW, possibly with DC-9 aircraft. This way NW would not be giving up valu
29 OzarkD9S: IIRC, the AA flights were in response to TW's first class upgrades: fly full fare coach thru the STL hub (connections only, no STL O&D flights were i
30 JayDub: Well, seeing how NW is barely out of bankruptcy, maybe now isn't a great time to start blowing money on old-school pissing matches.
31 PSU.DTW.SCE: NW isn't dropping any flights at LGA, they were dormant, last used on MKE.
32 Davescj: NW also has some skyteam people possibly in DL from when DL was strong at DFW. Sadly, NW and DL dont' upgrade each others elites. On the other hand, N
33 FLYGUY767: You are forgetting that fellow Sky Team member Delta is a heavy hitter at LGA, and will in most cases be placing their code on this flight. In any ca
34 Flighty: And the golden liquid flows ever more freely. What a beautiful story.
36 FLYGUY767: Correct me if I am wrong but didnt NWA operate a DEN-LAX for a while in retaliation? -JD
37 Jacobin777: ..I respectfully disagree..there is only "so much" NW could/would do....they will certainly lose if they try to increase the frequency to 5-6 flights
38 PSU.DTW.SCE: F9 announced MSP-LAX NW countered with additional MSP-LAX (adding 1-2 frequencies for a total of like 7-8 dailies) and started DEN-LAX (3x daily A319
39 ThirteenRight: I agree ... it seems like a waste of equipment especially when there are so many better opportunities for NWA at LGA.
40 Commavia: Too true. Lest we forget other stupid AA moves like the short-lived JFK-OAK/ONT flights when they should have been focusing on JFK-LAX/SFO, and there
41 RwSEA: But what's the point - everyone knows they won't last. Yeah, but DL operated their own 3x daily service up until a couple months ago, and they couldn
42 Alitalia744: I"m not sure why everyone feels the flight will fail. Right now, there is limited MQM accrual available via non-stop for Delta elites (JFK-DFW is the
43 Travelin man: Two airlines reknowned for aggressively defending their turf going at each other's throats. I love it! I don't see DFW-LGA being a long-term route for
44 Jacobin777: ..it was a decent attempt....JFK is a huge O&D destination....at least they were smart enough to end it quickly... ...but they have been, fortunately
45 FLYGUY767: Sorry, but were you trying to say that AA is the largest carrier at La Guardia? What routes do you suggest they use their 319 on? -JD
46 MAH4546: I believe when you count commuter airlines individually, as airports do, that AA is the largest. Not sure, though.
47 Jacobin777: ...AA/AE combined are the largest operator out of LGA... ...certainly not that route....
48 LAXdude1023: This is the stupidest thing NW has done in a while. I hope they like being bankrupt, because with decisions like this, they might have to go back!!!
49 Incitatus: Agreed! I could have thought of 10 other counter competitive moves NW could have done instead of tit-for-tat. Like I have said in another thread: Air
50 FLYGUY767: Got it... Point taken... I always thought that US was larger, you learn something new everyday.. About the AA/NW thing.. I am not saying AA will lose
51 SESGDL: DL operates DFW-JFK three times daily with S5 ERJ-170s, the flights were transferred from LGA. It made more sense for DL to put the traffic through t
52 COERJ145: As the reply above yours said, NW got the slots from no longer operating LGA-MKE.
53 Incitatus: The same was said of American's entry in ATL-LGA. After a year and a half the route is still there. Look for LGA-DFW on NW to end and LGA-MSP on AA t
54 MAH4546: Not only that, but they are still on CLT-LGA and PIT-LGA, while early results for CVG-LGA are strong. They have also been successfully flying DTW-LGA
55 JCS17: Haha. DFW-LGA is a huge money-maker for AA and with NW dropping these three flights into the market, you can bet the days of $450.00 14-day advance pu
56 SESGDL: That was due to lack of aircraft availability. They operated the route successfully for over a decade. And none of those are MSP. Check MSP's track r
57 SANFan: Sounds like a year and a half in bk didn't teach the NW Knuckleheads a thing! What a strange and senseless move from one of the most pathetic airline
58 Travelin man: If it is a war of attrition (i.e. both losing money until someone breaks), my money is on AA. Don't they have more cash in the bank to finance this so
59 FLYGUY767: Here we go again.... News Flash.... NWA is on a better footing than it has been on for a rather long time. There are a lot worse airline operations i
60 Flighty: Not at all. NW is much stronger than AA financially at this moment. Lots of bankruptcy exit cash available to them. And their operations are (forecas
61 M404: What's that qoute from the Japanese Commander of the Pearl Harbor attack "I fear we have only awakened a sleeping giant"? Perhaps NWABOB will have som
63 Incitatus: "Lack of aircraft" is one of the most laughable excuses to cancel a route. Any route with a solid chance of making money will have aircraft assigned
64 Jacobin777: ..and how long will it last? AA could drop yields and add more flights for a while....AA is in a position to do that out of DFW....how long is NW wil
65 Travelin man: Well, according to Yahoo Finance, AA has $5.38B in cash, while NW has $2.43B in cash.
66 KcrwFlyer: Im surprised NW is only using an a319 on this.
67 JCS17: JFK-NRT will return when the 787s come online. In fact, rumor has it, that it will be the first 787 route NW flies.
68 Ripcordd: AA has a contract for MSP/LGA Run which is why they started it. You will see AA start MSP/LAX now to start the pissing match
69 FLYGUY767: Indeed JFK-NRT is a priority for resumption with Northwest Airlines. The only way that I can see NW not re-entering the JFK market is if Delta Air Li
70 MAH4546: With who? Are you confusing with with CVG-LGA? I wasn't aware of a contract to serve this market. I was told that they entered it on their own, just
71 Flighty: That is interesting. But of course cash reserves are an adjustable thing. If NW needs more cash, they can call up a bank. But you are right, AA has a
72 Braniff1960: The whole damned industry is going to hell !!! Survival of the fittest !!! Guess I will be flying WN 20 years from now.....
73 PSU.DTW.SCE: I'll ask again, how is this any different than if FL were to start LGA-DFW? Would you people have the same response?
75 Commavia: It really isn't different, beyond the fact that AirTran has lower costs and thus would be able to charge lower fares and still only lose a little mon
77 AJMIA: Hmmmm pissing match. That could get interesting. I imagine in addition to MSP-LAX AA would do the following... LGA-DTW upgrade to mainline 3x daily.
78 BOAC911: Be careful in estimating the power of FFP. Airline loyalty programs don't go as far as they used, and when price comes into play...you know where the
79 SANFan: I take it back. They aren't museum quality! (I think the tin-can industry might be interested...) bb
80 Commavia: Be careful in underestimating it. Frequent flyer programs, for all the carping and complaining by some, are still incredibly valuable tools and still
81 SESGDL: Maybe you should educate yourself a little on the truth before spewing BS on this thread. JFK-NRT was operated by NW with a 744, while LAX-NRT was op
82 Jacobin777: ....FF flyers like me will pay more to fly certain carriers.......I've recently been paying 10-15% more flying AA SJC/SFO-ORD than I have the previou
83 Mikey711MN: If AA had started ATL-BWI, then yeah, I probably would. For the record, that was... -Mike
84 ImperialEagle: Well, from the customers point of view if the load factors are as bad as some of you guys predict, they should be some of the most comfortable flights
85 Artsyman: This is not about trying to steal passengers from AA on this route, this is about forcing AA to match their fares on this route. NW will massively und
87 SkyyMaster: If it lasts 3 months I will be shocked. AA will kill them on this route. They aren't about to let anyone invade their DFW turf. Delta tried it for a c
88 AJMIA: True True True! Especially on mainline flights with F cabins for upgrades. Mileage and upgrades are the two biggest tools that airlines have to woo p
89 Flighty: Well, if NW does that, AA will announce a rock bottom fare on MSP-LGA. No fare war has been announced but you're right, it is likely.
90 JCS17: Ummm, that would be the initial plan anyway. AA isn't about to begin n/s service with a $450 adv. purchase fare. AA knows they will get a good amount
91 Jacobin777: ..and cause a hurting for themselves because AA will be able to "withstand the heat" from NW....AA will still wind up making money on the route......
92 Flighty: I think they each have an effective deterrent against a fare war. The result would be losses for all parties. Why even do it?
93 B707Stu: Well, selfishly I'm glad for my brother since he works the ramp at DFW for NW and this means a bit of job security during a tough time. As far as a b
94 UN_B732: LGA-MSP NW and AA both at lowest fare of $242 round-trip. LGA-DFW no fareware yet, NW and AA both publishing fares of $286 round-trip, TZ is $198
95 MrSTL: Regardless of NW's success on the DFW-LGA route they send a strong message to all other airlines- B6, FL, WN "Don't XXXX with us!" IF we will stand up
96 EXMEMWIDGET: Didn't NW have a DFW-LAX service for a short time around 10 to 15 years ago?
97 KcrwFlyer: NW has always sent that message. I wonder how NW will react if WN ever goes to MSP.
98 Fleet Service: The world isn't coming to an end with 3 daily NW 319's to DFW.If they really wanted to irk American, JFK-LAX with 3 daily 757's would have fit the bil
99 Commavia: Proving to your competitors that you can throw away capacity and waste resources on loss-making routes doesn't really send that great of a message, o
100 Ckfred: This is a move by NW that won't last. NW probably has very few FF cutomers in the Metroplex, and IIRC, it doesn't have a large presence at LGA. So, wh
101 MrSTL: So NW should sit idle and let AA chip at it's market share, I fully disagree. They had two decisions to make do nothing or take action, I will side w
103 FreequentFlier: NW is delaying the inevitable. At some point, there will be significant LCC penetration of their hubs, especially MSP. NW can make stupid moves like t
104 LAXdude1023: Bottom line: Stupid decision by NW. At least with AA flying LGA-MSP, there is a lot of FF loyalty in NYC for AA. There isnt for NW in NYC or DFW. DFW
105 Commavia: No, nobody is saying they should sit idle. They should meet competitive threats with smart competition and smart business decisions. Flying in a mark
106 JetBluefan1: I completely agree. Such a move should certainly not be made by an airline that has just exited bankruptcy. The airline should be focussing on cuttin
107 Akizidy214: Is this joke? This must be a joke! Does anyone know how many passengers NWA connects on a DFW-LGA routing thru MEM, DTW, and MSP? For some strange rea
108 Apodino: I was thinking about this for a bit. I agree this is a stupid move by Northwest, and these decisions are what drove NW into bankruptcy, and the employ
109 SHUPirate1: I'm pretty sure that all of you are right...US/USX is the largest slotholder, AA/MQ the largest in terms of passengers boarded, DL/DCI the largest O&
110 N710PS: It is just a bitch slap at AA that is all. They will not get too much market from this. As it is who wants to fly an airline with piss poor attitude a
111 Klwright69: [quote=Apodino,reply=108] That being said, the big losers in this may be CO and DL, not AA. Remember that all three airlines are SkyTeam partners, and
112 Flighty: I think *both* new routes can make money including LGA-DFW. US Airways started DCA-DFW a while back and it apparently has been strong. It's not entir
113 Mariner: It may be a valid reason, from NWA's point of view, but I don't see it as a moral one? mariner
114 Commavia: An astute and interesting perspective. However, I would interject that although you are certainly right that for many people LGA is still the preferr
115 N839mh: =SkyyMaster,reply=87] "If it lasts 3 months I will be shocked. AA will kill them on this route. They aren't about to let anyone invade their DFW turf.
116 FLYGUY767: They are concentrating on JFK operations as of late.. JFK-DFW 835a, 1230p, 430p > ERJ-170 This is all needs to fill its need for the NYC-Dallas marke
117 Anetter123: I agree with most of the posts concerning this LGA-DFW route on NWA. Its going to totally rely on O/D traffic. I wish them good luck.
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