Das Flugzeug From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 160 posts, RR: 1 Posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1681 times:
From an article in Der Spiegel (see below). Lufthansa has announced that it will not order the A3XX. It can only be profitably operated on a small selection of routes, and therefore does not justify the procurement of a small fleet. Perhaps LH is going to order the longer-range 747.
L U F T H A N S A / A 3 X X
Bedarf frühestens 2007
Trotz des bevorstehenden Startschusses für das weltgrößte Passagierflugzeug A3XX sieht die Lufthansa derzeit "keine Eile" für einen möglichen Kauf des Riesen-Airbus. Das sagte eine Sprecherin am Mittwoch in Frankfurt.
Frankfurt am Main - Ein Flugzeug dieser Größe werde frühestens im Jahr 2007 benötigt. Das Unternehmen prüfe den A3XX ebenso wie das mögliche Konkurrenzangebot des US-Herstellers Boeing. Wann eine Entscheidung getroffen werde, stehe nicht fest.
Vorerst sieht die Lufthansa keinen eigenen Bedarf für den Airbus A3XX
Lufthansa-Vorstandschef Jürgen Weber hatte kürzlich gesagt, solche Maschinen könnten derzeit nur auf einzelnen Routen wie von Frankfurt nach New York oder Singapur rentabel eingesetzt werden. Dies sei aber nicht ausreichend, um eine wirtschaftliche Flotte aufzubauen. Bis zum Ende dieses Jahrzehnts dürfte sich diese Situation jedoch ändern.
Die Lufthansa bekäme Sonderkonditionen für den bis zu 250 Millionen Dollar (560 Millionen Mark) teuren Jet, wenn sie kurzfristig noch in diesem Jahr ordern würde. Derzeit liegen Airbus 44 verbindliche Kaufzusagen für den A3XX vor, noch in dieser Woche könnten sechs weitere Bestellungen von Virgin Atlantic hinzukommen.
MAC100 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1609 times:
Ab.400: I do not think that's what this says, in contrast, the article says that Lufthansa would get a good discount if they ordered in this year. I think the bottom line of thie article is that Lufthansa would only be able to use the plane on very few high density routes (Frankfurt to singapore and New York) and, this would require a very small fleet that would not be financially viable, however, they think that this situation is likely to change at the end of this decade and at that point they will make a decision to go with the Airbus or competing Boeing product ...
Ab.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
You are right, MAC100, that is what the article says. But maybe LH is playing a little bit to see what they could get.
I think that Airbus would be very happy to see LH as an A3XX operator as soon as possible.
BTW, since the A3XX isn´t expected to be in service before 2005 and already 46 orders are set..... would 2007 be a realistic date for LH to get those planes if they ordered them now ?
MAC100 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
You're right, they'd love to see LH be one of the launch customers. The fact that they have been testing a 757 as a possible 310 replacement must make them rather nervous! It's actually interesting to read the recent Boeing News Release (http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/news_release_001212a.html) where they thank LH for their continuing input into the design of the 747X family of planes ...
Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
Airlines make statements like this, but it doesn't always mean they won't buy planes. It took Emirates only a few weeks to go from "We're not planning to buy any new planes" to becoming the first to sign for A3xx - sometimes these remind me of old times, when a secretary of finance denying any devaluation plans was considered a certain omen of imminent devaluation.
I'm not implying Lufthansa is actually planning to buy VLA's, just noting these kind of statements can't always be taken directly at face value.
Das Flugzeug From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 160 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1524 times:
To the best of my knowledge, Der Spiegel is a reliable and professional journal. I would not classify it as a hastily gathered tabloid.
As for the assertation that Lufthansa is employing some sort of counter-intelligence in order to motive Airbus to drop its price, well, . . that seems sneaky. Perhaps a bit too sneaky. There's no reason for LH to issue such a statement. If they wanted the A3XX, they could already get a wonderfully low price, as the other launch customers have. Furthermore, Airbus has no need to drop its price any lower. All six of the airlines that signed letters of intent have already agreed to firm orders (this is assuming Virgin will announce an order soon). It will now be Airbus' goal to begin making a profit on each plane it sells.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
What the article correctly says is, that the A3XX would not be needed before 2007, not that LH wouldn't order it before 2007. If LH would order now, the first delivery could be 2007, as there are already 4 other customers (soon to be 5, with Virgin) which have ordered before LH.
So, Spiegel shows once again its quality. Remember the report one or two weeks ago about the new stretched A340, which would replace the A3XX, and which turned out to be the already well known A340-600??
MAC100 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
Das Flugzeug - I did not want to imply Der Spiegel to be a tabloid, it's a lot of fun to read but they sometimes spice up their stories just a little bit. The reasons for Lufthansa not to buy the A3XX at this time (but evaluate it later) actually make a lot of sense. It will also allow them to gauge how happy the airlines will be with the plane and whether passengers like it.
Das Flugzeug From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 160 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
Actually Gerardo, I went back and checked the thread you mentioned about the "A340 - stretch." It was you in fact, who pointed out that the soure was a German magazine called "Stern" Perhaps you should keep your facts straight concerning Der Spiegel's displays of quality. And the article does heavily imply that Lufthansa will not order the A3XX, as they state that it will perhaps be viable by the end of the decade, and they'll once again consider it then.
MAC - you're absolutely right. I believe LH will evaluate other airline's experiences and take it from there.
Ab.400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
I expect Lufthansa to sign an order for at least 6 A3XX within the next year. The article in Spiegel magazine is food for us readers and shows how close AI and LH already are.
Airbus wants LH and LH wants the A3XX, I think they will find a way to meet somewhere in the middle.
Why would LH make such a statement to the press if they don´t expect a piece of the cake ?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7873 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
I think LH may not order any A3XX's until the 2002 time frame.
The reason is simple: do they have any routes that demand the capacity of the A3XX? Unfortunately, no. This is because in terms of tourist traffic, most airlines prefer to fly to either LHR or CDG, NOT FRA or MUC. That is why I see LH continuing to heavily use its current 744 and A343 fleets, and will probably take more A346's than their current order.
I do not expect LH to take delivery of any A3XX's until 2008 at earliest, and it will be primarily used on the long international routes from FRA.