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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8849 posts, RR: 75
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

from http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1181890676.html

"** Brokerage analysts expect deals for at least 300 planes worth USD$30 billion at list prices to be announced at the event.

** Analysts say Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Qantas subsidiary Jetstar, India's Kingfisher and US Airways may announce plane deals."

from http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1181890514.html

"Boeing heads into the show with 175 planes already booked for unidentified customers, many of whom should step forth at Paris."


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

There will be more than 300 planes sold during the show....- including the conversions of older commitments.
It' ll be rather close to 350 if Qatar confirms their previous MOU's.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Just a side note...

I don't know who create the Paris Air Show website, but they need to think again.. everytime you click on something.. a new website opens.. that's annoying.. also, the registration for tickets are all in French... what if we can't read french? And when I looked at the list of Aircraft and exhibitors, I went to B and did not see Boeing.. hmmmmm...

But, I digress...



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

True -the web-site stinks..

http://www.paris-air-show.com/reaxia_files/Liste_des_aeronefs.pdf



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
from http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1181890676.html

"** Brokerage analysts expect deals for at least 300 planes worth USD$30 billion at list prices to be announced at the event.

** Analysts say Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Qantas subsidiary Jetstar, India's Kingfisher and US Airways may announce plane deals."

This years Le Bourget will most likely surprise many of us. I have little doubt that Boeing will out do Airbus in terms of orders, although many are currently undisclosed. It will be finally good to see who booked what.  Smile

What I'm trying to figure out is what Singapore Airline would be in the market for. I would suspect that they may look to take some additional 777's or even possibly even more 787's and the long awaited firming up of their A350XWB order. I would also love to see additional A388's ordered but I suspect that it will be unlikely.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Looking at the Boeing website, I noticed there was an unidentified 767 delivery... uhmm.. how did that happen? where are the spotters who are supposed to catch this?

Lawd have mercy..someone is falling by the wayside.. anyone know who that there 767 was for?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I have little doubt that Boeing will out do Airbus in terms of orders, although many are currently undisclosed.

I seriously doubt that Boeing will "out do" Airbus at this venue. These airshows are key to Airbus' marketing strategies--it gives them a chance to showcase their products and creates great photo ops with their happy customers. They will be in for a horrible round of press if this occurs. IMO, they will do whatever they have to do to prevent this from happening.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
What I'm trying to figure out is what Singapore Airline would be in the market for. I would suspect that they may look to take some additional 777's or even possibly even more 787's and the long awaited firming up of their A350XWB order.

SQ need to order another 10 to 20 aircraft for delivery before the A350 can be delivered. There is an outside chance that SQ would exercise some or all of their 13 777-300ER options to fill this need, but it seems much more likely that SQ will exercise some or all of their 20 787 options. SQ may also order A350s for later delivery.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I would also love to see additional A388's ordered but I suspect that it will be unlikely.

More WhaleJets would be a big surprise.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2068 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
And when I looked at the list of Aircraft and exhibitors, I went to B and did not see Boeing.. hmmmmm...

You have to look for Etats Unis (United States) and than for Boeing.

Axel



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User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Just a side note...

I don't know who create the Paris Air Show website, but they need to think again.. everytime you click on something.. a new website opens.. that's annoying.. also, the registration for tickets are all in French... what if we can't read french? And when I looked at the list of Aircraft and exhibitors, I went to B and did not see Boeing.. hmmmmm...

But, I digress...

The English website is under http://www.paris-air-show.com/en/ and Boeing i listed under "exhibitor list"

aminobwana


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 6):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I have little doubt that Boeing will out do Airbus in terms of orders, although many are currently undisclosed.

I seriously doubt that Boeing will "out do" Airbus at this venue. These airshows are key to Airbus' marketing strategies--it gives them a chance to showcase their products and creates great photo ops with their happy customers. They will be in for a horrible round of press if this occurs. IMO, they will do whatever they have to do to prevent this from happening

As I already stated under another topic, to help prevent this possibly existing and new MoU will be titled "orders"
But I wonder what Airbus could do if Boeing announce a barrage of orders ???

aminobwana


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
As I already stated under another topic, to help prevent this possibly existing and new MoU will be titled "orders"
But I wonder what Airbus could do if Boeing announce a barrage of orders ???

Not saying Boeing couldn't do it, but I'd be slightly astonished. Airbus saves up orders for these airshows. In fact, I think this is a sensible practice since the world's media is present and they get scads of free publicity. And...they always have a surprise or two on the last day. Witness the Singapore A380/A350XWB order at Farnborough last year. Considering Gallois' comments here it sounds like he's confident they'll at least hold their ground.

Quote:
Asked whether he expected fresh orders for the plane at the show, he said, "I think we will have good news on the A350."



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User currently offlineSaa From South Africa, joined Oct 2000, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5913 times:

On a side note can tickets to the paris air show be bought at the gates of the show or do they have to be pre booked ?

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
also, the registration for tickets are all in French... what if we can't read french?

They are French...they don't care. It is odd since the aviation world functions in English, however.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
And when I looked at the list of Aircraft and exhibitors, I went to B and did not see Boeing.. hmmmmm...

Boeing intends to be present, the blog www.boeing.com/randy Randy Tinseth says he'll be briefing reporters from Paris prior to the show. Why Boeing isn't on the vendors/let me sell you a plane list, I don't know. But with a show this size, you know they have to be there.



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 9):
The English website is under http://www.paris-air-show.com/en/ and Boeing i listed under "exhibitor list"

I hope the show is better organized than the website. I have seen bad ones, but this one is in a league of its own.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3529 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5884 times:

Interestingly, the thread and 13 replies contain absolutely no factual figures....

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

OK-let's start with a smaller but nice order from Sibir for 20 A320's plus options for another ten....
This one was on none of the prospective threads so far..

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070615/67299450.html



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User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):
Not saying Boeing couldn't do it, but I'd be slightly astonished. Airbus saves up orders for these airshows. In fact, I think this is a sensible practice since the world's media is present and they get scads of free publicity. And...they always have a surprise or two on the last day. Witness the Singapore A380/A350XWB order at Farnborough last year. Considering Gallois' comments here it sounds like he's confident they'll at least hold their ground.

Quote:
Asked whether he expected fresh orders for the plane at the show, he said, "I think we will have good news on the A350."

You are right. To book a new and not previously announced order during the show is a good public relation coup.
But what is Airbus doing during the last times ??

Publicly calling MOU orders as EI, SU, QR, Kingfisher. If some come in during the Show, no surprise, if not, a big negative effect !!

And I must repeat a statement I already made before: What means a A350 "firm" order at this moment, when many of the main parameters are still not defined ?? Even if the order is called firm, it is obviously subject to the approval of the customer of these parameters, and if they are not to his satisfaction, he can always cancel the order.

And honestly, do you qualify the response of Gallois you cite as very enthusiastic ?? Why he is so nervous ??

aminobwana


User currently offlineAviationNut From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
Looking at the Boeing website, I noticed there was an unidentified 767 delivery... uhmm.. how did that happen? where are the spotters who are supposed to catch this?

Lawd have mercy..someone is falling by the wayside.. anyone know who that there 767 was for?

It is my understanding these were JA632J and JA633J 767-346ERs on June 14 2007

Regards

Keith

[Edited 2007-06-17 07:01:42]


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User currently offlineBoeingpride800 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

I'm excited to see whats in for US Airways. I'm hoping its an order for 73G's

=]


User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):
Witness the Singapore A380/A350XWB order at Farnborough last year.

Witness the 350 "LOI" last year.  Wink Singapore has yet to order the 350. The big announcement was very anti climactic and knee-jerked. I guess JL something to make himself feel better.

The last time I read the order thread there were almost 200 unnanounced Airbus orders so I expect them come out with fists flying. A nice ORDER from a reputable airline for the 350 would do wonders for Airbus's floundering program.

Time will tell.

iwok


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3529 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Since this thread contains absolutely no facts about anything and won't for at least two days, I'd like to see it merged with one of the the other threads speculating about possible orders that may or may not happen.

Order Rumours From WSJ For Next Week (by Azhobo Jun 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Paris Air Show-Le Bourget - What Orders? (by Beaucaire May 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
Boeing intends to be present, the blog www.boeing.com/randy Randy Tinseth says...

Do you have to be called Randy to work for Boeing...  Wink

(Or is that just Harry Stonecipher's legacy?)


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

The news from Malaysia are:

Confirmed

  • AirAsia X will be announcing the engine manufacturer who will power their 15 A330-300s, a contract worth USD 1.5 billion at the Paris Air Show. The battle is between Rolls-Royce and Pratt & Whitney.

So far unlikely but who knows...

  • AirAsia X will purchase additional 10 A330-300s.
  • MH will confirm its 6 A380-800s.
  • MH will announce a purchase of 55 widebodies and 55 narrowbodies following their RFPs several months ago.


User currently offline797charter From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

I remember two years ago when Kingfisher ordered the A380, - not many in here had seen that coming.

For me the real interesting part of it will be this years "big surprise" - I just hope it will come



Regards

Steen



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25 N1120A : You can buy tickets at the gate if that is an issue.
26 Post contains links EmmenezMoi : That's atually not quite true. There is a small flag in the top left corner to switch to "English". Direct link: http://salondubourget.francebillet.c
27 OA260 : I would like to see a thread that just showed the facts::: For example:: MH confirms 6 A380's Air Asia X 10 A330-300's Just the facts and orders and n
28 ERJ170 : Im sure when it actually starts and the first order come, you will see such a thing. But it is kinda crazy to start a thread now for a show that hasn
29 OA260 : Oh yes I agree but when the orders do flow in then Im just saying Id like to see an un cluttered thread so I dont have to read hundreds of posts . Ma
30 Post contains links OA260 : Looks like someone already had the same idea:: Official: Airbus Le Bourget 2007 Order Thread (by PanAm_DC10 Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)
31 Post contains links OA260 : Also for Boeing Official: Boeing Le Bourget 2007 Order Thread (by PanAm_DC10 Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation) Thanks for doing this PanAm_DC10 it will b
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