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Is L'Avion Doing Well?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3240 times:

On January 3rd, a new business class cpmany named L'avion took off for the first time from its base ORY to EWR. Ever since I have not heard much about them apart from load factors being on average 30 % ans ome flights being completely empty!

Would anyone know how they are currently doing ?

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User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

im flying on it tomorrow to the paris air show ill let u know how the loads are

User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
On January 3rd, a new business class cpmany named L'avion took off for the first time from its base ORY to EWR. Ever since I have not heard much about them apart from load factors being on average 30 % ans ome flights being completely empty!

If it is any indication, they are selling 2 tickets for $3098.00 R/T... $1594.00 per person ~ During the summer months, and in the NYC-PAR market, I would say they are having problems filling seats. I dont give them much more than a year.

http://us.lavion.com/index.php/special_offers


-JD


User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

i've heard everything about their load factor ! (between 0 to 30%, between 30 to 60% and sometimes more than 80%...) so only someone from l'Avion can tell us how it is working !

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 3):
i've heard everything about their load factor ! (between 0 to 30%, between 30 to 60% and sometimes more than 80%...) so only someone from l'Avion can tell us how it is working !

me too. I rememer 2 or 3 months ago having read the same week 2 articles in 2 different (reliable) magazines, one saying they were flying with very low loads and sometimes almost empty and another one saying that business was good and that they were in advance on heir business plan !


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

what kind of aircraft are they using? 757 or 767?

User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
what kind of aircraft are they using? 757 or 767?

L'Avion flies the Boeing 757.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

From what I read in Airways, very good. They want a 2nd plane for BOS.

Hunter



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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
From what I read in Airways, very good. They want a 2nd plane for bos.

Hunter

As much as I would love to see that happen, it's not going to, or at least it shouldn't. The premium demand from Boston to Paris and vice versa appears to be quite small based upon AF's operation here. Obviously there is a decent amount of demand on both an O & D and connection basis, but the fact remains that there is little premium demand. If AF can't make a four seat First cabin work in one of the most affluent metro areas in the United States, there is no way an all business airline could make it work on top of AF's dominance. We don't even have an all premium carrier to London, we should within a year or two, both maxjet and eos have been mulling it over, but even then, there is only room for one carrier and I pray it's eos. Paris seems so seasonal as there are few if any substantive business ties between the two cities. I would bet there is more O & D premium traffic year round to at least Frankfurt, Zurich and Munich based on the financial and life science ties.


User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1089 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 8):
both maxjet and eos have been mulling it over, but even then, there is only room for one carrier and I pray it's eos.

As was discussed at length a little over a week ago, MaxJet (true E+), SilverJet (true J), and Eos (true Intl F) all offer different products and serve different markets, especially MaxJet versus Eos. MaxJet is offering E+/low-end J for an LCC kind of price versus Eos offering an F product marketed as J product for double MaxJet's price.



TLH
User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

I am well aware of their services as I have flown eos and maxjet in the past two months and found eos to be a better value, hence my desire for eos. The fact remains that even with the differentiation in service, there is still not enough room for both carriers.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1089 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 10):

Very good, just wanted to clarify for clarity's sake. I do believe there is room in the major East Coast markets for MaxJet/SilverJet and Eos though. I have a very hard time seeing MaxJet and Eos' clientele overlapping significantly. MaxJet is clearly for business travelers on a budget (or strict corporate policy) and wealthier leisure travelers, versus Eos being for higher level/less monetarily restricted business travelers. I was looking at fares recently and MaxJet was in the $600 range versus Eos in the $1500 range. That's a big difference.



TLH
User currently offlineToptravel From Italy, joined Oct 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Doing a price comparison the other day for next day travel, BA was charging $10,000 for a NYC/LHR/NYC B/C return, Maxjet was around $2700, NYC/STN/NYC. Sorry but BA isn't worth the extra 7grand, quite outrageous really for such a short flight. I had a nice ride on Maxjet and a nice Limo driver into London, enjoy having the extra 7grand in my pocket and not in BA's

User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting Toptravel (Reply 12):
BA was charging $10,000 for a NYC/LHR/NYC B/C return,

Hi,

This full J price. they seldom at that price.

L'avion should do YUL-CDG.

aad665


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2086 times:

WSJ did an article today flying SilverJet LTN-EWR-LTN and L'Avion EWR-ORY-EWR. They gave Silverjet an excellent review, L'Avion much less so, especially their ground handling.

From a financial standpoint, all of their premium class-only competition (EOS, MAXjet, SilverJet) all suffered major losses in the first year (and then some), so I would assume it's a fair assumption L'Avion is fairing the same. Also, with just one aircraft and the high fixed costs, they cannot spread their costs over a network or another aircraft for that matter.


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