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DL/AA In Preliminary Talks With Boeing On 787  
User currently offlineUal747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 567 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

Forbes reports that DL/AA are in preliminary talks. I guess so much for the AA mega order and the 30 787's for Delta rumors.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/06/17/afx3828509.html

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10458 times:

Quoting Ual747-600 (Thread starter):
Forbes reports that DL/AA are in preliminary talks.

Understatement of the year....

Real preliminary huh? Including GoldCare....

lol



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User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10301 times:

Quoting Ual747-600 (Thread starter):
Forbes reports that DL/AA are in preliminary talks. I guess so much for the AA mega order and the 30 787's for Delta rumors.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/06/17/afx3828509.html

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AA maybe getting an idea of what kind of deal they can get, but will not place any order till AFTER agreements have been reached with the APA at least. More likely BOTH APA and APFA. So....2009 at the earliest.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

The Forbes article quotes Scott Carson President of commercial Aviation for Boeing as saying"already a renewal of interest from North American.airlines like air Canada and Continental already opting for the 787 . I'm sure the folks at Northwest Headquarters were glad to see the high regard Boeing had for them.

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
AA maybe getting an idea of what kind of deal they can get, but will not place any order till AFTER agreements have been reached with the APA at least. More likely BOTH APA and APFA. So....2009 at the earliest.

Management could always say, "Sorry, we can't give you a raise. We spent on the money on the new planes that you have been saying that we need."


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

Am I the only one who think 30 787's for Delta is far too little?

User currently offlineDL772LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 5):
Am I the only one who think 30 787's for Delta is far too little?

Yes, it was very few orders from DL. I think DL need boost more equipment 100x 787 or below. I thinkable DL will even bring more 787-9 or 9. It would enough more capacity growth from DL.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

We must remember that AA is in the market for a replacement for its aging MD 80 fleet and I would suppose DL would also be in that same camp.


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User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 4):
Management could always say, "Sorry, we can't give you a raise. We spent on the money on the new planes that you have been saying that we need."

More likely...We cant give you that...but if you take our offer we will give you some shiney new 787s to fly.....

They will likely be used as a negotiating tool..


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 5):
Am I the only one who think 30 787's for Delta is far too little?

right now no
in 5 years maybe
the first 30-50 787s are for expansion ONLY
then there comes a early 767-300ER and 767-300D replacement
DL wants to put crew-rest(the crew beds for 12 hour or more flying) and lie flats on there 767s by 2010 so they first 787s will be for LAX and ATL to Asia



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

I agree with above posts ref AA: they need to resolve labor issues before they buy planes. If they go into the bargaining pleading money woes, after having bought planes, they'd never get out again.

With DL, it is true they both need to expand and update. DL has traditionally been a Boeing customer (as has AA largely), but before they go buying planes, the finacials need to be in order. And, if rumors are true, a new CEO is in the wings, that will need to happen first.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 5):
Am I the only one who think 30 787's for Delta is far too little?

You have to start somewhere. Besides, all those 787s need to be financed as well. For all we know, it could be 30 firm 150 options or such.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 7):
We must remember that AA is in the market for a replacement for its aging MD 80 fleet and I would suppose DL would also be in that same camp.

Not soon, the MD-88s will be to DL what the DC-9 is to NW  Wink .


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Not soon, the MD-88s will be to DL what the DC-9 is to NW

does that mean we will have to hear all those stupid original statements like, "when DL retitres the 777 or 787, the crew will fly home on MD-88?


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
does that mean we will have to hear all those stupid original statements like, "when DL retitres the 777 or 787, the crew will fly home on MD-88?

i wouldnt say it will be that long but i say they wait tell Y1 be for the replace them



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
does that mean we will have to hear all those stupid original statements like, "when DL retitres the 777 or 787, the crew will fly home on MD-88?

Nah, it will be to the tune of "When DL retires the 737RS..."  Silly .
But seriously, it won't be that bad, though with the average A.netter, you never know...


User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
does that mean we will have to hear all those stupid original statements like, "when DL retitres the 777 or 787, the crew will fly home on MD-88?

What do you mean? Surely they would charter a NW DC-9

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4925 times:
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DL, AA, CO, UA, and probably one of the low cost carriers will all be players for the 787 over the next couple of years.

The real question is when.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 4):
Management could always say, "Sorry, we can't give you a raise. We spent on the money on the new planes that you have been saying that we need."

If these newer airplanes are easier to fly should not the airlines match the reduced workload with reduced pay?



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 3):
I'm sure the folks at Northwest Headquarters were glad to see the high regard Boeing had for them.

'Scuse my density, but could you explain this comment? Thanks.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting NW748i (Reply 17):
'Scuse my density, but could you explain this comment? Thanks.

NWA ordered 787's a long time ago so it isn't just Air Canada and Continental in North America to have ordered. Northwest will be the first carrier in North America to get them. How could the president of boeing commercial forget that?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 3):
I'm sure the folks at Northwest Headquarters were glad to see the high regard Boeing had for them.

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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting DL772LR (Reply 6):

Yes, it was very few orders from DL. I think DL need boost more equipment 100x 787 or below. I thinkable DL will even bring more 787-9 or 9. It would enough more capacity growth from DL.

Uh oh...  duck 


User currently offlineMicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
DL, AA, CO, UA, and probably one of the low cost carriers will all be players for the 787 over the next couple of years.

I wonder if AirTran would ever get anything bigger than the 737-700?
That is a good point.



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3886 times:
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How would the AA livery look on an all-composite aircraft like a 787? Would they paint it white, or some kind of metallic paint (which would look real ugly)?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 22):
How would the AA livery look on an all-composite aircraft like a 787? Would they paint it white, or some kind of metallic paint (which would look real ugly)?

Probably similiar to the way AA's colors look on their A300s.


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):

Probably similiar to the way AA's colors look on their A300s.

An A300's skin is still primarily made out of metal, though. I can't imagine AA using the paint they used on the A300's tail/nose/wing sections on the whole plane.



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