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Why No TV's In Lufthansa's European Airbus Aircraft  
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

All major airlines such as AF, BA, IB, LX or AZ just to mention a few have drop down TV's in their european Airbus fleet (A219, A320, A321) which are used for safety demonstrations, Air show or other programs. How come LH as the only major airline (one of the wealthiest in the industry) did not chose this option? Will this change with the additional order of those jets which they are epxected to receive in the next 2 years?

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Thread starter):
All major airlines such as AF, BA, IB, LX or AZ just to mention a few have drop down TV's in their european Airbus fleet (A219, A320, A321) which are used for safety demonstrations, Air show or other programs.

I have flown all of those carriers except for BA in recent years and none of them used drop down TV's on short European flights.

Quoting LXA340 (Thread starter):
How come LH as the only major airline (one of the wealthiest in the industry) did not chose this option?

Because it does not make sense on short flights.

Quoting LXA340 (Thread starter):
Will this change with the additional order of those jets which they are epxected to receive in the next 2 years?

Most likely not.



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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
I have flown all of those carriers except for BA in recent years and none of them used drop down TV's on short European flights.

LX certainly have drop down TVs in their Airbii, not in the Avros though. LX also use it for Airshow, magazine and selling duty frees.

BD also use the drop down screens for the safety demo but then stow them, AY use them but set them to nose and belly cameras during takeoff, approach and landing.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):

I have flown all of those carriers except for BA in recent years and none of them used drop down TV's on short European flights.

Only their Airbus Aircraft have it I know that the oldest A320's of BA, AF and IB aircraft don't have it they are from the late 80's but those at least from BA were retired recently. Nevertheless all those airlines have those drop down TV's on their Airbus aircraft. They are used for safety demos, promotion / news programs of the airline's products, air show, and some even have nose belly cameras etc as mentioned here as well.

[Edited 2007-06-19 10:45:13]

User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7011 times:
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Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
They are used for safety demos, promotion / news programs of the airline's products, air show, and some even have nose belly cameras etc as mentioned here as well.

On my recent flights with LX A320s, I noticed that the nose belly cameras are only shown on the previous Swiss Sun aircraft. The mainline A320s of LX do not show the cameras on the drop-down screens. Howcome?


User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

Turkish Airlines (TK) also have drop down screens on B737, A319 , A320 and A321 and they use them on short haul flights too.

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1662 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6980 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Thread starter):
How come LH as the only major airline (one of the wealthiest in the industry) did not chose this option?

Why do you think they are so wealthy, no drop downs, no PTV's Big grin



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6980 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 4):
The mainline A320s of LX do not show the cameras on the drop-down screens. Howcome?

The mainline A320's from LX are all from SR and were from the years 1995-1999 non of the planes have nose belly cameras, don't even know if they were available at that time already. The ex Swiss sun aircraft were bought between 2003-2004 and they were equiped with the nosebelly cameras. The aircraft are fully integrated to the mainline fleet now however also used still on longer charter routes as those planes are equiped with head phone plugs for movies etc.

It is really strange that LH didn't get the TV's, it's not like they can't afford it maybe they just thought it's a waste of money just like with PTV's for Y class on it's long haul aircraft as it requires extra weight etc. However also here this will change, I think next year they will start to equip Y with it.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

I have seen them on TP and IB, but only the safety demo has audio, so it's really no use at all, except for the airshow. I remember TP did show some entertainment on the screens, but since audio was not working I would rather watch the airshow.


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 8):
I have seen them on TP and IB, but only the safety demo has audio, so it's really no use at all, except for the airshow. I remember TP did show some entertainment on the screens, but since audio was not working I would rather watch the airshow.

For the short flights there is no point to distribute head phones etc, hence some airlines odn't even have equiped the seats with those features. But it is a efficent tool for the safety demo and programs and to show product updates etc from the airline with pictures and text. Of course it is nice for passengers to see the air shiow  Wink


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 9):
For the short flights there is no point to distribute head phones etc, hence some airlines odn't even have equiped the seats with those features.

You could offer audio in the seats and offer pax to either buy headphones or use their own. I remember that used to be the case with HV (though with audio only and it was a while ago that I flew them last).



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
You could offer audio in the seats and offer pax to either buy headphones or use their own. I remember that used to be the case with HV (though with audio only and it was a while ago that I flew them last).

AC offers on all it's Airbus A32S and Embraer flights headphones they are even complimentary. That would be also an option but on a flight of aprox an hour air show is usually the best as passengers want to follow the flight and get inforation on remainder etc. + airlines want to update passengers on their newest inovations.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6749 times:
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Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):

Thanks! It's a pity that the former SR A319/A320/A321s do not have the cameras. It's really nice to view push back, taxi, take off and landing during the flight. LX also has cameras on the A340, you can imagine how take off looks then!


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

Other ailinres have them like KM, TU, SA or OS.
You don't need audio for a 1 hour flight or so.

I remember when i used to fly Swissair, the inflight safety demonstration had audio but then they used to play those funny canadian jokes programms and they were funny and without audio. That's enough and entertaining. I have also flown SA's 738 between JNB and CPT and they showed these programms and everyone was laughing.

BA, does not have any programms, only Airshow. They should add something more entertaining although I love the airshow.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 12):
LX also has cameras on the A340, you can imagine how take off looks then!

For some reason on my recent flights with the A343 they never had the cameras on for take off and landing on the main screen, which is anoying. Looks like every purser has a different way to operate the IFE system.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

AF has TV only in a few A320 equipped with the "AMO" configuration (Afrique - Moyen orient = Africa - Middle east), i.e. for routes to Morocco, TLV, AMM, DAM. That's all
For the rest, the flights are only 1 to 3 hrs and no need for TV, especially if it's only for flight safety demonstration which can be done manually.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16991 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
it's a waste of money just like with PTV's for Y class on it's long haul aircraft as it requires extra weight etc

There's definitely no revenue upside



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
Quoting LXA340 (Thread starter):
All major airlines such as AF, BA, IB, LX or AZ just to mention a few have drop down TV's in their european Airbus fleet (A219, A320, A321) which are used for safety demonstrations, Air show or other programs.

I have flown all of those carriers except for BA in recent years and none of them used drop down TV's on short European flights.

Not sure what LX flights you were on but I have flown on numerous LX A319/320/321s in several BA flights using the same types and they always use the drop down screens (except one or two flights where the system was unserviceable) for safety briefings, Airshow map display, and on LX usually a promotional video covering the latest LX schedule/product changes etc.

I can do without them. I'm sure LH saves a lot of money in maintenance expenses by not offering them, and they add some weight. I doubt it has any signficant effect on a passenger's decision what carrier to book on a 1 or 2 hour flight where the are is by far the most important factor for most passengers.


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 14):
For some reason on my recent flights with the A343 they never had the cameras on for take off and landing on the main screen, which is anoying. Looks like every purser has a different way to operate the IFE system.

I think they do it systemwide, I haven't seen the cameras on landing for a while either on the 343 or the 321s that have them. I assumed that they'd had the camera on during a go around due to a runway incursion and some folks got scared.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

Air travel is not the preserve of the rich any more.

You dont travel in a luxury aircraft anymore.. its a flying taxi.

The days when a passenger spent hundreds of pounds /francs / guilders / marks on a ticket to Europe are long gone.
Air travel is no longer a luxury.

we dont expect a meal a movie and a free glass of wine any more.

therefore airlines are responding to cheaper compeition.

Save the weight, the fuel, the price and hence the profits...chuck the tv.



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1357 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 19):
The days when a passenger spent hundreds of pounds /francs / guilders / marks on a ticket to Europe are long gone

Thanks to the Euro?  Wink


I must admit, PTV's on short haul flights seem a bit useless to me, people can read a book (or comic  Smile ), and usually the flight is too short anyway to watch a movie...



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting Bwest (Reply 20):
I must admit, PTV's on short haul flights seem a bit useless to me, people can read a book (or comic Smile ), and usually the flight is too short anyway to watch a movie...

It's not about the movie etc, it's more professional when it comes to safety demos, information for passengers with connecting flights (usually only shown when arriving at homebase airports) and of course the air show which enables the passenger to follow the flight. The point is not if it is necessary or not, it's just interesting that almost every major airline has those TV's besides LH. Hence it will be interesting if it will be the same with their new order as basically almost every new airbus A32S aircraft now delivered is equiped with the TV's except Easy Jet of course and some other exceptions.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13815 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

The systems are expensive and are a pain the neck for maintenance.

Jan


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3417 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):

I have flown all of those carriers except for BA in recent years and none of them used drop down TV's on short European flights.

I have flown on BA, OS, AF, AY, LX and LH Buses on short european flights ove the last couple of months, and indeed LH (and AF) were the only carriers not to use the drop down screens during the flight.


On a sidenote. On my flight on KL to AMS a few weeks ago, they didn't even do a safety demo which I found rather odd.


User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5905 times:
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Quoting Helvknight (Reply 18):
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 14):
For some reason on my recent flights with the A343 they never had the cameras on for take off and landing on the main screen, which is anoying. Looks like every purser has a different way to operate the IFE system.

I think they do it systemwide, I haven't seen the cameras on landing for a while either on the 343 or the 321s that have them. I assumed that they'd had the camera on during a go around due to a runway incursion and some folks got scared.

That's a pity! I'm flying LX next week and was really looking forward to enjoy take-off and landing via the cameras on the A343. We'll see what the pursur will do. On my last flight ZRH-AMS the cameras were switched on during take-off and landing, and that flight was with the A320.


25 Post contains images LXA340 : It's usually very random the way they do it, so maybe you'll be lucky
26 Post contains images HECA : I'll let you know when I'm back
27 LXA340 : hehe ok, good luck that they will turn them on!
28 Beaucaire : People have gotten into their heads that they can't exist without tv/computer/MP3/videao/game-brainwash for more than 12 hours.It seems irresistible t
29 Albird87 : I like how BA just show the airshow as for flights under 2 hours thats all you need!! (ok up to 3 hours maybe) but the airshow just great i think. We
30 LXA340 : Most definetly, and especially on day flights this will also keep you a bit distracted from the fact that the amount of space you have in Y for insta
31 Beaucaire : How have people "survived" in the 30's or '50's flights from Europe to Australia or the United States without TV or computer-games??? To my knowledge
32 LXA340 : Don't forget, passengers did have much more space in economy at those times. But now when you sit in a cramped seat time does not go by very quickly
33 PlaneHunter : I can very well go without that stuff for more than 12 hours, but it's a different story if I have to spend 12 hours in a cramped seat in the middle
34 Post contains links and images Lan1981 : Not true. On BA Airbus flights to DME, LCA, ATH & IST, BBC News is shown, along with that month's inbound/outbound movie in addition to short sitcoms
35 EDICHC : Spot on there Albird! My one and only long haul experience with LH was FRA-CAN-MNL. 15 hours of looking at a big empty space in the seat back in fron
36 LXA340 : This really must be horror, well believe it or not LH seems to be starting to instal PTV's in Y in the next few months, really what took them so long
37 Tunisia : The more imporant question should be why doesn't LH have PTVs for trans-atlantic flights.. just those voids in the seats where they should be :
38 Jwenting : and expensive to run. Volume -> less room for cargo/luggage/fuel Weight -> more fuel burn per passenger/mile, less weight available for cargo and lug
39 PlaneHunter : LH plans to start filling these voids in fall. PH
40 Post contains images Albird87 : Well remember that in the 30's and 50's people who travelled across the atlantic were doin it in style and it was only for the rich and famous!! (wou
41 HECA : Today's society has completely changed compared to the 30's and 50's. Flying has become available to a large part of the public, whereas in the old d
42 Viscount724 : But it's not necessary on shorthaul flights. And every 2nd person I see these days seems to have earphones connected to an iPod or other MP3 music pl
43 HECA : I merely meant that things have changed compared to fifty years ago and airlines are trying to cater to these needs. I didn't say that airlines do a
44 LXA340 : In the long run especially in Y it's probably cheaper to offer passengers the AVOD system than providing a large selection of Magazines. eg, LX barel
45 HECA : From an airlines point of view, inflight entertainment/AVOD is indeed much cheaper. Lucky the magazine and book stores at the airports provide plenty
46 LXA340 : not only that it keeps the whole cabin more busy, meaning less noise and less walking around and disturbing flight attendants while working.
47 CanadianNorth : At the airline I work for we don't have PTVs. We don't have drop down tvs. We don't have screens at the front. We don't have headphones. Our inflight
48 Post contains images LXA340 : I gues you are working for Can Jet? You don't need to comment on it if you don't want In case you do they simmilar than Easy Jet or Ryanair in europe
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