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Delta May Make Order For 125 787 A/c  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 14113 times:

According to the Wall street Journal, Delta is considering to make a $20 Billion order for 125 787 a/c by the end of this year. The information was cited by Delta's operating chief Jim Whitehurst.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1182...839877.html?mod=home_whats_news_us

This should be interesting if its true!!!!

God lucj and hurray for DL!!!

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User currently offlineB7X7 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

Wow if this is true this will make the Qatar order yestruday seam small!!!

I wonder what modle they will take, i would have thought the 788 and 789, i wonder about the 787-10

lets see if this is true,


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

It looks like Delta is denying the order, at the Paris show a top DL executive was cited as aying that DL still needs to decide between the 787 and 350.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070619/bs_nm/delta_boeing_dc_2


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13856 times:

Also being reported by Reuters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070619/bs_nm/delta_boeing_dc_1

125 787s would be about 20 more than the current amount of 767s they fly now, wouldn't it?



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13817 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 2):
It looks like Delta is denying the order, at the Paris show a top DL executive was cited as aying that DL still needs to decide between the 787 and 350.

Yeah right  Wink

The chances of DL or AA not ordering Boeing are somewhere between slim and none!


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13798 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
125 787s would be about 20 more than the current amount of 767s they fly now, wouldn't it?

Its probably for 25 - 35 a/c and the rest will be options.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 4):
Quoting Amirs (Reply 2):DL still needs to decide between the 787 and 350.
  

Well, they can pretend to acually be considering A350 in order to get a better price from Boeing.

[Edited 2007-06-19 11:26:20]

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13688 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 5):
Well, they can pretend to acually be considering A350 in order to get a better price from Boeing.

DL will get the best price out of boeing any if they say its the 787.....DL is in the top 3(DL,AA,CO) and they get what they want when the want it at a really really really good price

[Edited 2007-06-19 11:44:19]


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13688 times:
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Quoting Amirs (Reply 5):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
125 787s would be about 20 more than the current amount of 767s they fly now, wouldn't it?

Its probably for 25 - 35 a/c and the rest will be options.

I concur Amirs any order of that magnitude by DL would most likely be similar to the QF deal with similar breakdown of firm orders, options and purchase rights interchangeable to other models if needed.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13670 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
The chances of DL or AA not ordering Boeing are somewhere between slim and none!

I wouldn't be so sure, I think Airbus has an excellent chance with Delta. Then again, I just saw a pig flying past my window  Silly .

Would be too damn good if that order happens. Add in AA's 100+ order, and 800 787s before EIS look realistic.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Delta has a boring fleet, and a flood of 787s won´t change that, make it even worse if the 767s AND 777s are replaced by them.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Everyone is talking about the 100 A350/787 order by EK, and saying how that is so large. But, DL really going for more than EK, and QR? It's nearly unbelievable.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
The chances of DL or AA not ordering Boeing are somewhere between slim and none!

While you may be right, let's not forget that historically Delta has had quite a diversified fleet, relying heavily on Douglas and Lockheed for aircraft. It certainly appears that they're headed towards becoming an all-Boeing airline though.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13599 times:

Quoting B7X7 (Reply 1):
Wow if this is true this will make the Qatar order yestruday seam small!!!

It certainly does, but if you compare the size of DL with that of QR they could order 200 and it would not surprise me really. But OK, the US market is at a completely different stage of maturity than the MiddleEast market is. I think once the first REALLY big 787 order by a US major kicks in many will follow because it creates lots of pressure on competition. Similar to the amount of pressure that EK exerts with their future A380 fleet, although in a different segment.


User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 9):
Delta has a boring fleet

Which is much more efficient than the overly exciting fleet it had a few years ago. They're not in business to impress people with their fleet diversity.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

I think we'll all be flying in our own personal hovercraft vehicles by the time DL takes delivery of even its first 787. Nice job, waiting so long. If you don't have to really pay for the planes until you take delivery, why wait THIS long to order them? With a flush order book for the 787 and plans to wait until the end of the year to order theirs, Delta will need duct tape and baling wire to hold together the planes that the 787 will be replacing.

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
DL will get the best price out of boeing any if they say its the 787.....DL is in the top 3(DL,AA,CO) and they get what they want when the want it at a really really really good price

If we are talking about 125 frames, I dont think that Airbus is ready to let Delta go with at least giving them the same price as Boeing.
As of fleet commonality, 125 frames already benefits from itself.

I think Delta is seriously considering the A350!


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
Everyone is talking about the 100 A350/787 order by EK, and saying how that is so large. But, DL really going for more than EK, and QR? It's nearly unbelievable.

You really put on par an airline that is serving out of a country with roughly 4,5 Million to an operator serving a nation with almost 300 Million souls? You are kidding right? DL could make use of 125 787s just by replacing older models and maybe unifying it's long-haul fleet and replacing both the 767s and 777 with the 787s... yet they did not added a single seat to their capacity, whereas EK is bringing into service wide-bodies in hundreds of numbers... honestly which one do you see a more viable business? I am not saying EK or the Middle-East carriers with high hopes will fail, but DL has better chances I think to make use of such a massive order.



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13353 times:

this is the latest sum up of the statement:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070619...fp/usaerospaceairline_070619092916

Quote:
Delta mulls 'massive' order for Boeing Dreamliner: company
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US airline Delta Air Lines is mulling a possible huge order for the new Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" long-haul aircraft, an executive at the airline told the Internet edition of the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday.



The executive, Jim Whitehurst, speaking as the second day of the Paris Air Show got underway at Le Bourget near Paris, did not advance precise figures.

Whitehurst, the chief operating officer at Delta Air Lines, said that his company was considering placing "a massive order over a long period of time."

The newspaper reported that the contract, which could be announced by the end of the year, might be for 125 aircraft, on the basis of firm offers together with options.

The value of such a contract, at catalogue prices, would be 20 billion dollars.

However, the report also quoted a spokeswoman for the company as saying: "Delta will be looking at options to modernize our fleet over the long term -- including both Boeing and Airbus -- but have no firm plans at this time."

Delta does not operate any planes made by the European Airbus group.

They added thatits for "firm orders together with options"


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13260 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
DL will get the best price out of boeing any if they say its the 787.....DL is in the top 3(DL,AA,CO) and they get what they want when the want it at a really really really good price

DL is also in the poor-house just barely recovering from the brink of financial ruin. I think you're counting your chickens a little early there. Then again that seems to be a generalized practice here in these forums.

While I think it's very likely DL will order the B787, it might well be some time before their financial condition is in sufficient order. I also think it's much more likely that we'll see them order in smaller increments like CO did, firming up a few here and there as they move back to profitability. Maybe something on the scale of 20+20 would be a bit more rational to start off with.

Delta needs to make a whole lot more money than they are right now to go out and drop down the deposits on a 20 billion dollar order. I would be very surprised to see lenders stepping up to make that happen at this stage.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13245 times:

So basically this article is telling us nothing that we dont already know. We know that all the big boys AA,DL and UA are probably talking to Boeing and Airbus about future needs, they are doing that all the time. I will wait until they order before I get too excited.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13194 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
I think Delta is seriously considering the A350!

and US was looking at the 787

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 18):
While I think it's very likely DL will order the B787, it might well be some time before their financial condition is in sufficient order. I also think it's much more likely that we'll see them order in smaller increments like CO did, firming up a few here and there as they move back to profitability. Maybe something on the scale of 20+20 would be a bit more rational to start off with.

Delta needs to make a whole lot more money than they are right now to go out and drop down the deposits on a 20 billion dollar order. I would be very surprised to see lenders stepping up to make that happen at this stage.

I dont think DL will come out and buy 125 a/c at once.......DL will buy a few now and have alot of options

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 18):
DL is also in the poor-house just barely recovering from the brink of financial ruin. I think you're counting your chickens a little early there. Then again that seems to be a generalized practice here in these forums.

wow your making it sound like they have no money at all.......look at NW they ordered 15(?) 787s plus E-70s and CR9s and they where alot worse than DL was



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13078 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 2):
top DL executive was cited as aying that DL still needs to decide between the 787 and 350.

I was going to do the "yeah, right" bit, but my compatriot got there before me!

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if DL's ultimate commitment to the 787 was in the 120+ region, but I'd say the initial commitment would probably be around the 30-40 mark, mostly 788s, to begin with, but ultimately, the 777-200s will be replaced by -9/10s.

So much for the reports about "preliminary talks" we had yesterday!


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13060 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21):
So much for the reports about "preliminary talks" we had yesterday!

i guess that means we will see a order tomorrow then right?



yep.
User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13040 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 9):



Quoting NA (Reply 9):
Delta has a boring fleet, and a flood of 787s won´t change that, make it even worse if the 767s AND 777s are replaced by them.

I think this qualifies as the most idiotic statement of this thread. How does a fleet become boring?


User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13017 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 9):
Delta has a boring fleet, and a flood of 787s won´t change that, make it even worse if the 767s AND 777s are replaced by them.

What exactly is a "boring fleet"??? And who has an exciting fleet? Great post, man!


25 SirOmega : Yea, my vote would be 40 firm and the rest options. And you'll prolly see most of the options exercised by 2020.
26 11Bravo : Options for the 787 are probably quite expensive right now given the extreme demand for this aircraft. I didn't say that. NW ordered its 787s (18+50)
27 Post contains images DavidkunzVIE : OS has an "exciting fleet" and it brought them to the brink of bankruptcy... Not so long ago, they had: 343 332 321 320 319 772 763 738 73G 736 734 7
28 Post contains images SEPilot : Or to avoid stockholder lawsuits. Or they might order the pigs instead. And Bill Clinton is seriously considering voting for Barack Obama. Just as US
29 Stitch : This is a somewhat common refrain on these boards, but honestly, it's just not that black and white. Look at how many creditors were happy to try and
30 SirOmega : Bingo. Even worst case, DL goes belly up, the 787s will fetch a good price on the open market. They shouldnt have a hard time financing the units.
31 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Nah, DL wants to expand in the Gulf Region after all . Heck, if DL gets a good deal with a large rebate and goes belly-up, the "used" 787s could even
32 DeltaL1011man : the A350 answer is in your signature "Of course, you could wait for the (Airbus) A350," he said, "But why?" (Gerald Grinstein, Delta CEO)
33 DAYflyer : I dont know why everyone is all in an uproar over this. It will be months before anything happens, DL has said so.
34 Post contains images SEPilot : [quote=DAYflyer,reply=33]I dont know why everyone is all in an uproar over this. It will be months before anything happens, DL has said so[/quot] What
35 AA787823 : Per Ralph Ricchardi.....AA will not be ordering ANY 787s this year...Not gonna happen.
36 RayChuang : I do see Delta Airlines (DL) order the 787-8 and 787-9 sometime in the next 2-3 years to start replacing their rapidly aging 767 fleet. This isn't lik
37 DeltaDC9 : So what you are sdaying is that you find airliners boring, and you paid money to come here and say that? Due diligence. You cant borrow money without
38 Post contains images Flyingchoirboy : I highly doubt that DL would order the A350 for two reasons: 1) Their loyalty to Boeing will not only help them in getting a more than fair price for
39 NA : Variety is interesting, monopoly is boring. Delta has a boring fleet of only small and medium-sized twinjets. Don´t tell me thats exiting! Come on,
40 Post contains images PEET7G : One thought to this A350 Vs 787 in DL fleet ordeal... did anyone consider the fact that the A358XWB is simply too big to be a good 763ER replacement?
41 SEPilot : Yeah, but financial analysts don't see it that way, with good reason. The more types in your fleet the higher your costs. Each type requires crews, s
42 DL021 : Yep...and their deal with Boeing, which was later retracted due to anti-trust concerns, to purchase Boeing exclusively was made to streamline operati
43 Post contains images Flyingchoirboy : From an enthusiast standpoint, ATL is DEFINITELY one of the most boring airports to spot at It's a sea of DL (85% of daily flights, I believe), with
44 Amirs : We might hear that Delta ordered 80 787 today .....
45 Post contains images Fraport : Yeah, LH's fleet is extremely exciting when it comes to a balanced Boeing vs. Airbus mix. Let me see what we have: Airbus: A319 (more on order) A320
46 NA : A real aviation enthusiast hates monopoly. Of cause I know WHY decisions are made in favour of the cheaper solution and a simplified fleet, but I dar
47 Post contains images PEET7G : What makes you come to this conclusion? Of course I would be jumping in and out of my hide if it turns out to be true, but I just can't see this orde
48 Amirs : Speculation from Le Bourget
49 DAL767400ER : BS. Variation is good to a certain degree, but just what good is variety when your airline is on the brink of CH7 simply because you are flying every
50 AAflyguy : DL and its affiliates comprise about 70% of ATL's air traffic today. The other 30% is about half AirTran and half all others. While it may be boring b
51 Bjg231 : Wonder if they'll pick up any 783's, as they'd be a pretty decent replacement for the domestic 767's. Not to mention I'd like to see one or two of the
52 MCIGuy : Could you please be a little more specific?
53 DeltaL1011man : we can only hope
54 ConcordeBoy : I find myself wondering if you actually read the drivel you so often spew, before submitting. ...ever noticed CO's fleet? Paid much attention to US'
55 Amirs : We might only hear about it in the future.
56 LTBEWR : Perhaps they could do the order via IFLC or some other lease-sale deal partner. That would cover the financial risks although they end up paying more.
57 Burnsie28 : On behalf of the people at Delta, we would like to apologize to you for our boring fleet and trying to make money.
58 Post contains links and images AirMailer : slight correction: Over 300 million souls (unless you were subtracting the soul-less in D.C.) Population Clocks U.S. 302,127,498 source: http://www.c
59 Post contains links SLCUT2777 : The Associated Press has an updated followup to this in the Atlanta Paper (ajc.com): http://www.ajc.com/news/content/busi...eltaplanes.html?cxntnid=b
60 DiscoverCSG : Yeah. "Mindboggling" is a very good word! I'm amazed every time I depart/arrive ATL. It's great. On the issue of fleet composition: The problem with
61 GlobalATL : I'm curious to hear WorldTraveler's take on this info. Any know the whereabouts??
62 Aminobwana : Reading between lines, as it is necessary to do with any of such informal announcements (this being valid for anyone, from Air Berlin to DELTA and AA
63 JakeOrion : Whatever you smoking, I want some. By the judgement of your posts, it must be good stuff. How about (for long haul a/c in operation today): American:
64 Panamair : Well, AF comes close right now with all of the above except for the 767. And KL is currently operating the A330, 747, 777, and MD11. The combined AF-
65 Post contains images Glideslope : ...... but it would add a significant amount of Y3 R&D money.
66 Rwy04LGA : jetBlue with a BILLION A320s is missing from your list.
67 Post contains images JakeOrion : Didn't know that, thanks for the info.
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