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Air France Looks To Grow Intra-Caribbean Network  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

As already discussed, Air France will soon be basing a second A320 in Fort de France, allowing them to essentially double their intra-Caribbean network, which is currently served by a single 171-seat A320. So far, the new plane will be used to increase Miami service to daily (from 3x weekly), but Air France is also considering adding service to three new destinations, Santo Domingo and St. Maarten (which are already served from Paris), as well as Paramaibo, which would be new to the Air France network, but is already served by KLM.

Their proposed new intra-Caribbean network effective November 2007, with frequencies (days per week/7)



Air France has been flying these routes for a very long time. From Miami alone, they have been operating Caribbean flights for nearly three decades.

Article (in French):
http://www.blada.com/boite-aux-lettr..._direction_regionale_de_Guyane.htm


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

What do they do about maintenance considering that prior to this they had a single bird out in the middle of the Caribbean thousands of miles from the rest of their A320's? The A320 is a reliable plane and all, but it seems like the flight schedule would be pretty unreliable having 1 (or now 2) aircraft utilized pretty well with no backups. Mx bugs do pop up time to time, it's only natural.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 1):
The A320 is a reliable plane and all, but it seems like the flight schedule would be pretty unreliable having 1 (or now 2) aircraft utilized pretty well with no backups

The plane is not heavily utilized. It is in the air for less than 7 hours a day, alternating overnights in Miami and Cayenne. With the new plane, there will be an A320 overnighting in Miami daily for 12 hours.

I would assume maintence is done overnight while it is parked in Miami.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

AF decided to extend the CAY flight on to Paramaribo, as new route complementing KL nonstop from AMS. Can we expect as a next move to also extend the service from CAY to Belem (BEL) in Brazil? This would be outside France-Brazil bilateral and further enhance AF presence in Brazil. Btw, CAY-BEL is currently operate by Air Caraibes.

Rgs,


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
The plane is not heavily utilized. It is in the air for less than 7 hours a day, alternating overnights in Miami and Cayenne. With the new plane, there will be an A320 overnighting in Miami daily for 12 hours.

Considering they are flying the aircraft in a high-density configuration and taking into account the prices they are charging, I am sure AF still makes a lot of money even with such a low block hour utilization.



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
Can we expect as a next move to also extend the service from CAY to Belem (BEL) in Brazil? This would be outside France-Brazil bilateral and further enhance AF presence in Brazil.

What are the specifications of the bilateral regarding their Caribbean departments?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

On a similar note, one hears vicious rumours that AF is planning to base short-medium haul aircraft in Réunion as well to compete with Air Austral on inter-island and African routes from the Indian Ocean. Possibly they want to hub in Réunion and feed passengers from Mauritius and Madagascar to there, rather than operating seperate long hauls.

User currently offlineSkyteam10001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Thanks for the links Mark. The article also says AF is considering opening new destinations from Fort-de-France / Pointe-à-Pitre, especially Panama, which could be very interesting !

User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Hi,

AF/AC has right to fly YUL-PAP/Fort-de-France. They already have important base at YUL + possible connection with CDG-YUL. It can be a nice flight for AF over Winter time 2-3x per week with A320? It will increase daily use of their A320.

What do you think?

aad665


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 8):
AF/AC has right to fly YUL-PAP

AC flies YUL-PAP, x1 weekly 767.



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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 9):

Hi,

I guess some market left for AF.2x or 3x weekly. They could cater local market + VFR.

aad665


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

The French Caribbean territories are a fully integrated part of France and the European Union, much in contrast to many British territories there. So I would assume that CAY and PAP are also part of the coming open sky between Europe and the USA. Or is there any loophole that excludes these territories?

User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

What I would love is a NYC-French Caribbean service that would allow weekend trips.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 11):
So I would assume that CAY and PAP are also part of the coming open sky between Europe and the USA. Or is there any loophole that excludes these territories?

Haiti is not a French territory, it is an independent country.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Does anyone have a day by day schedule for AF's revised inter Caribbean network?


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

The goal of AF to base another A320 in The Caribbean , and possibly to base one at La Reunion , is also to push respectively Air Caraibes and Air Austral bankrupt.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 15):
The goal of AF to base another A320 in The Caribbean , and possibly to base one at La Reunion , is also to push respectively Air Caraibes and Air Austral bankrupt.

You know the primary money-maker for these airlines are the runs to mainland France, right?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
Does anyone have a day by day schedule for AF's revised inter Caribbean network?

It has not been finalized into GDS systems. For example, MIA is showing 7 departures, but only 6 arrivals. This should be fixed soon, but the frequencies are on the map.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

MD90fan

Of course Continental France is the main market for Air Caraibes and Air Austral

But do you know their health is not so good ?

The 4th A330 (300) for Air Caraibes has yet to come , and nothing on the horizon.

The 777s of Air Austral do not fly enough.

If AF bases 1 A320 at La Reunion , not sure Air Austral will be able to keep their 737s.

Basing A320s in The Caribbean and at La Reunion will have as result to put respectively Air Caraibes and Air Austral weaker , thus pushing both of them in a non bright future , meaning near bankrupt , and AF will be happy to have reach their goal.
By this way , they will have only one competitor on the main market from Continental France , namely Corsair , which is not a problem since there is a kind of agreement between both of them.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
It has not been finalized into GDS systems. For example, MIA is showing 7 departures, but only 6 arrivals. This should be fixed soon, but the frequencies are on the map.

Ii was wondering what routings the flights will take - for example will there still be any MIA-Cayenne through flights?



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 18):

The 4th A330 (300) for Air Caraibes has yet to come , and nothing on the horizon.



Quote:

Air Caraïbes today signed a letter of intent (LOI) with Airbus for the purchase of two A330-300s. Following the success of Air Caraïbes on its transatlantic routes, the airline has decided
to replace its current A330-200s by the larger capacity A330-300s. These aircraft will be delivered in November 2007 and June 2008.
The new A330-300s will be fitted with 372 seats in a comfortable two-class lay-out providing an additional capacity of 48 seats and featuring the latest standards in In-flight entertainment in all cabins. The engine choice has not yet been defined.


That's because the aircraft are scheduled to be delivered in November of this year and June '08  wink 

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...06_15_05_Air_Caraibes_English.html



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User currently offlineCarnival air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Will they ever add SJU?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 19):

Ii was wondering what routings the flights will take - for example will there still be any MIA-Cayenne through flights?

The Miami flight will operate MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY 4x a week and MIA-PAP-PTP 3x a week.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Wonder if we will see DL codeshares? Like ATL-MIA-SXM (1 stop) with DL/AF? Thatd be sweet


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