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Qantas To Introduce Y+ According To Aust. Aviation  
User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4459 times:

From the July edition of Australian Aviation

The following quotes are from respected aviation writer Geoffrey Thomas.
Here are some of the quotes:

Quote:
For the travelling public, there was the promise – finally – of a premium economy product for the A380 at least and… (continues)

Next year, the airline finally takes delivery of its first A380s and with that aircraft, the rollout of a long overdue premium economy class product, which is sure to be refitted to the entire long haul fleet in due course. Dixon said that the details would be announced by the end of July.

I think Y+ is long overdue for QF with its long haul sectors. I'm looking forward to the details announced in July!

Cheers
qantasairways


Spirit of Australia
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User currently offlineSkyGazer From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4451 times:

Yay! I might actually fly Qantas now :P

I do hope the pricing is competitive though.



Types flown: B738, B772ER, B773, B77W, B744, A310, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A388
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting SkyGazer (Reply 1):
I do hope the pricing is competitive though.

Well surely having a 4 class cabin the prices would be reasonable, say $1,000 more than economy and would defintley make award upgrades better and easier.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Makes sense, particularly as BA and NZ have the product and the cabin is often full. Going long haul there are a lot of pax who would pay more for a bit extra, but don't have the cash or won't pay for J class.


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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 3):
Makes sense, particularly as BA and NZ have the product and the cabin is often full. Going long haul there are a lot of pax who would pay more for a bit extra, but don't have the cash or won't pay for J class.

On say a flight to LAX J will cost upwards of AUD$11,000 and first costing AUD$14,000 up to AUD$20,000!

When economy costs AUD$1400 id be happy to fork out 1,000-2,000 more for that extra comfort on a 14 hour flight.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

I look forward to the announcement. I wonder if the Y+ seats will be similar in size to the Millennium or Dreamtime J seat? Hopefully they will go for something like Virgin Atlantic's new Premium Economy seat.

This combined with the domestic cabin 763/73H/734 refresh program starting next month makes for a lot to look forward to!  Smile

Cheers


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 3):
Makes sense, particularly as BA and NZ have the product and the cabin is often full.

The success of the World Traveller Plus cabin has completely surpassed all of BA's expectations. It is the second most profitable cabin after Club World, more profitable even than First Class.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 5):
This combined with the domestic cabin 763/73H/734 refresh program starting next month makes for a lot to look forward to! Smile

Do you have any info yet on what this might entail.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 4):
On say a flight to LAX J will cost upwards of AUD$11,000 and first costing AUD$14,000 up to AUD$20,000

Well its not the smartest thing to do, purchase a non-stop SYD-LAX unless your not paying for it  Wink. Your better off buying a Oneworld explorer ticket which offers more flights on the ticket and is almost 5-7k cheaper compared to your QF booking


User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

AHHHH Finally!!

Considering Qantas is the AUstralian airline and has to fly some of the longest routes in the world with passengers travelling 14+ hours to US and 22+ hours to Europe, this is LONG overdue!

I haven't flown Qantas for 5 years now Long Haul due to BA and VS's Premium Economy product to europe. They have really been missing out on a lot of revenue considering how profitable this cabin is for BA and NZ! I would have thought being the first airline to offer business class (I think? correct me if I am wrong) due to distances Aussies have to travel to get abroad and vice versa for tourists/work, that they would have been the pioneer of a Y+ product!


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 7):
Do you have any info yet on what this might entail.

The 763's and 734's will get new seating covers, rumour has it that they will have honeycomb style patterns on them!

New Curtains and new carpets. The 767's are going to get new LCD tv's i think similar to NZ's new ones that they installed.

And eventually the 738's will get the refurb as well but most of those are almost brand new.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 10):

Thanks for that info. I guess with the 738's when the next batch arrive they will already come with the new fabrics etc.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 11):
Thanks for that info. I guess with the 738's when the next batch arrive they will already come with the new fabrics etc.

Would assume so, there are many members that will know if thats what the go is or not??

Any pictures of the new seating fabrics?



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineIndustrybuff From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2003, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Hi All

My sources have confirmed that QF will indeed offer a Y+ config on the new A380 next year and with a full
refit to the B747-400s in the 6-12 months after the A380 is launced.
Expect 2 x 4 x 2 config in Y + and a small cabin of 32 seats as for the design, its being kept under wraps....
I understand that it will be on the upper deck for the A380 and lower deck for the B744.

QF175 hit the hammer on the nail - makes for a very exciting time at QF ahead !


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
Expect 2 x 4 x 2 config in Y + and a small cabin of 32 seats as for the design, its being kept under wraps....
I understand that it will be on the upper deck for the A380 and lower deck for the B744.

I wonder if they would be able to find anywhere on their 333's to put a Y+ cabin.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

This would explain the revamp of the QF FF program


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3634 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 6):
The success of the World Traveller Plus cabin has completely surpassed all of BA's expectations. It is the second most profitable cabin after Club World, more profitable even than First Class.

Having flown WTP + I'm not surprised its highly profitable for BA. Our conclusion was that its a lot of money for whats on offer.

You gain an extra 6" of legroom and the seating is 2 4 2 on both the 747 as opposed to 3 4 3. In addition the seat has a few gimicky featrures which seem to do little if anything to add to the comfort.

You get a slightly better baggage allowance

However the remainder of services are provided in standard WTP form, but at least being at the front of WTP you always get your choice of meal.
One thing in particular which bugged me was that despite having wider aisles that allow you to move around when carts are in the aisle, you still cannot get to the toilets when carts are around, as you have to go back into WTP for this, where its impossible to get past.

I understand that VS's premium economy service actually provides more than just a larger seat, come on BA how about it ?


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
Expect 2 x 4 x 2 config in Y + and a small cabin of 32 seats as for the design, its being kept under wraps....
I understand that it will be on the upper deck for the A380 and lower deck for the B744.

Hmmm 2-4-2 on the upper deck of the A380? That would indicate it is the same sseats as Y as normal Y is 2-4-2 on the upper deck.

I thought it would make more sense to have it on the lower deck.


User currently offlineAnsett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
I understand that VS's premium economy service actually provides more than just a larger seat, come on BA how about it ?

Agreed. VS has dedicated cabin crew and priority boarding, luggage AND check in. Great features - Also pre flight drink and news paper.

Does VS Y+ have its own seprate meals now? It seems so as they say on their website its a choice of 3 Mains - and served on fine china? Im flying the new Y+ on VS soon and im very excited! Flying BA back in Y+ and not so excited hehe


User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Thread starter):
I think Y+ is long overdue for QF with its long haul sectors. I'm looking forward to the details announced in July!

Same Here!

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
Well surely having a 4 class cabin the prices would be reasonable, say $1,000 more than economy and would defintley make award upgrades better and easier.

Well this will also make a big difference on the 2 class routes. We fly QF AKL-LAX all the time in business class but sometimes when we book a last minute trip the flights are full or to expensive in business and theres nothing in between that and coach so we end up flying NZ (nothing wrong with NZ per say). QF has been losing customers I would say due to the fact of not having a Y+.

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
refit to the B747-400s in the 6-12 months after the A380 is launced.

hmmm, you might think that they would put it in the 747 and see what the reaction is before putting it in the brand bloody new planes.

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
and lower deck for the B744.

I hate how NZ has Y+ on the upper deck as well as business premier (soon they will also offer it on the bottom deck as well as with the upper deck) but by putting it up stairs your taking away from the business premier exclusivity that normally goes with buying a business class ticket, the F/A's have more passengers to feed and look after, etc...

Quoting ANstar (Reply 17):
Hmmm 2-4-2 on the upper deck of the A380

I think he was referring to 2-4-2 on the 747 lower deck as their Y is 3-4-3 and business is 2-3-2 at the widest part so it would make sense to have it at 2-4-2 for Y+.

I am very excited to find out about this, we were just talking about when QF would get their A into G and get a Y+ haha!
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 15):
This would explain the revamp of the QF FF program

Out of curiousity, what revamps have occurred to the FFP?



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Good news. They're finally going down the Y+ path. I wonder why it's taken them so bloody long to think of doing this as Australia must surely be the best place to have Y+.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
Having flown WTP + I'm not surprised its highly profitable for BA. Our conclusion was that its a lot of money for whats on offer.

I got the same idea after flying SYD-LHR return with BA last year. I travelled on agent discount (where the cost of upgrading from Y is so miniscule you'd be stupid not to take it up), but on reflection there is no way I'd pay the normal difference to travel WTP, even on a 24-hour flight. Each to their own I suppose, most others in the cabin were glad they forked out the extra. I have little doubt QF will charge through the nose for Y+ ...



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
Expect 2 x 4 x 2 config in Y + and a small cabin of 32 seats as for the design, its being kept under wraps....

I think QF may be under estimating the demand here NZ is just increasing Y+ from 31 to 39



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

By the sounds of things QF's Y+ will be better than NZ's Y+. NZ's Y+ has the same seat width and same 3-3-3 layout as standard Y, and only offer more legroom... although they do offer all of the business class services.
Personally I think 2-4-2 744 main deck, and 2-3-2 A380 upper deck would be great



What?
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 23):
Personally I think 2-4-2 744 main deck, and 2-3-2 A380 upper deck would be great

I still think it will be on the lower deck of the A380.

If you think about it, the F footprint is quite small on the lower deck and a Y+ section would break up the seas of Y seats.

The J footprint on the upper deck will be quite large. Try putting Y & Y+ up there and the Y cabin will be tiny


25 Nzrich : Yes but lets talk about the same planes your comparing NZ 777 and QF 744 The NZ 744 maindeck has just 4 rows 2 seats across where y has 3 and the sta
26 VHVXB : Nothing as of yet but they are planning to provide more flexibility for members when it comes to book award flights. You can check the Australia avia
27 BAStew : Personally, if I was travelling on leisure and wanted to indulge I wouldn't go for WT+. If however I wanted a decent sized seat with decent space aro
28 ClassicLover : None that I've seen and I keep a close eye on it being a Gold FF. They did start enforcing the long unenforced rule of 4 sectors annually on QF or JQ
29 Aerohottie : Thats exactly the same as what I said.... we don't need to talk about 744 vs 744... as I stated previously the NZ Y+ seats are the same seat width as
30 Ansett767 : Yeah I noticed this too - Previously flying J class (rev or award) domestic on the domestic leg of an International flight, one was denied lounge acc
31 Tullamarine : Domestic J Class customers now get access to QF Club regardless of status. I believe the QF Y+ product will largely mirror the Star Class offering on
32 Ansett767 : Exactly right. The new business class in terms of comfort/ flat beds surpasses the old First Class standard. But the old First Class did have a statu
33 Lovinitflyboy : BMI are changing everything about their premium economy. Later this year when the business cabin is overhauled the premium cabin is also changing and
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