VgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1492 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8248 times:
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4739 posts, RR: 30 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8084 times:
Are you kidding me? Where in the hell was this snake when I needed it? It looks great, but it makes you wonder how well it takes the abuse of the ramp? It looks like it would be a pain to repair.
I am sure I would have had alot fewer injuries with that. And days of backpain would have dramatically decreased with that.
6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8080 times:
"Rear loader" my ass - from watching you bag-smashers at work, I envisage it remaining stowed and bags being unceremoniously PLONKed on top of the thing!
In the first video, the control panel at around 1:10 was surprising - it looks a little fiddly, like it'd be tricky to operate with gloves on, for example. Is that a problem? All the other controls looked much beefier, big chunky switches and buttons. (Forgive me, I'm a usability geek.)
AirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8013 times:
It looks like it will make many rampers much happier. My only concern is adjusting it for every bag. That seems like it will take more time and there are more parts to break. They can still lift the bags for a small distance like that.
N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7963 times:
This thing eliminates one ramper from the bag loading equation - the guy who would normally crouch at the top of the belt and toss the bags to the guy who actually stacks the bags. I wonder how many hours of saved $9/hr ramper labor would be a breakeven point for this thing. Besides that, I would assume that each one of those little belts (at the top at least) has its own electric motor, which I would assume would be very prone to failure considering the way rampers treat GSE, not to mention how long airlines keep the stuff in use.
BravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7946 times:
Baghandling
Do you operate the unit as shown in the PR clip? It does seem that the rear loader is slow.
TheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2010 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7888 times:
It's an interesting tool, to say the least. Though, I'd imagine a Rampsnake would turn into a maintenance pig after a few years of wear and tear. Heck, a standard belt loader is hard enough to maintain.
No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
LawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
This thing would probably sell more if it wasn't cursed with such a stupid name...
Phxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7635 times:
Looks pretty cool but it seems like it would take more time and effort positioning the thing then it would just a normal belt loader. It would be nice for large planes like the back bin of a 757 or for really heavy bags and cargo.
Phxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7635 times:
Looks pretty cool but it seems like it would take more time and effort positioning the thing then it would just using a normal belt loader. It would be nice for large planes like the back bin of a 757 or for really heavy bags and cargo.
C0ex From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7557 times:
Very impressive videos.
Thanks
Although I think it would be a waste of time to have to move it so many times inside at 737-300/500/700
And as much as technology advances, I don't think it will continue to outsource humans, because these machines break so much and so often that the downtime on these things are gonna be a lot after a year in service.
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2214 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7377 times:
If it in fact does eliminate one ramper position our airline would like it but it looks like it would take a full time maintenance crew to run it. Since that function is again an out sourced item that is sorely lacking I'm not sure of the benefits. However, of late it has become apparent to management that they cannot continue with the back and shoulder injuries we have now. One cure was massively forcing older rampers out and a pay scale for newer ones that promoted a high (undesirably) turn over rate to another job. This, combined with less insurance coverage may help the bottom line except for the mentioned ridiculous turnover rate. Perhaps it's finally time for something human and bag friendly. What a concept!
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
ClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 671 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7251 times:
Baghandling, very interesting concept.
A few questions ....
What is the width of the belt?
Can it be used to load standard 120x80cm/48x30in pallets into a bulk loading freighters? (Metro, An26, ATR etc)
What is the weight restriction per piece?
"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
Baghandling From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6958 times:
Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 6): In the first video, the control panel at around 1:10 was surprising - it looks a little fiddly, like it'd be tricky to operate with gloves on, for example. Is that a problem? All the other controls looked much beefier, big chunky switches and buttons.
The control panel is not that small, everything on the Rampsnake is designed to be operated with big gloves.
Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3185 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6874 times:
Quoting Baghandling (Reply 20): I know that some of the big once has tried it.
DELTA tried it. I beleive. But start complaining about 757 operators that never opted for the Telescopic or Magic Carpet Bins.
There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
25 Leezyjet: Great invention, and looks like it makes the loading process easier, but can you imagine that being used on an FR flight for example ?. There is no wa
26 Mayhem: There should exist a more basic version of this ramp snake. As the receiving ends require too much shifting, it's a great idea to let a conveyor belt
27 JRadier: Remember guys, these video's are promotional, so it will go at a slow pace and according to ideal conditions, just to show the concept. If you use it
29 Pdxcof9: Can the "snake" part make it all the way down a pit of a 738 or 752? It doesn't seem like it would be long enough. Still an interesting piece of equip
30 JRadier: According to KLM (Ground Services internal publication) the Rampsnake makes the CLS (Cargo Loading System) obsolete so that can be removed. This cause
31 Mayhem: But if they go out of work, and you don't have a rampsnake you have to drag the bags all the way to the door, whereas in other holds you can easily s
32 Baghandling: It goes 8 meter in, so it does 739 and 757-200. The only one that is too long is the 757-300 in compartment 2, here you need to do the first stack by
33 JRadier: I'm really getting interested to see this works in real life and how it compares to the old style. Nice topic for my studies (logistics)
34 HAWK21M: On our Freighters we use the In built Bulk cargo loading system [magic carpet]. regds MEL
35 Baghandling: The magic (sliding) carpet is better than nothing, but you still have to lift everything.
36 B6ramprat: You would need some time to use that thing. Its a great device though but with turn times of 40 mins on our west coast flights and 30 mins on our E 19
37 Baghandling: The A320 is one of the best aircrafts to use the snake on and turning it in 40 mins would be a lot easier with the snake.
38 TUGMASTER: Hello all, Nice looking piece of kit, however, i share the concerns of some of you guys here.... Also, FMC dvd's video's are notorius for their lack o
39 HAWK21M: It helps in stacking And the Normal Conveyor belt assists in Loading/Off loading. regds MEL
40 Baghandling: Yes thats the way I use it, I agree it looks slow, but it is not!!!
41 B6ramprat: I don't know. I really can't see using this thing. The labor intensive way just seems to do the trick for me but hey, to each is own. I mean, you got
43 Jamesbuk: Very cool! But wouldnt it me more energy efficient not to move the end around in the hold? just leave it on the floor and put the bags on top of it? b
44 Baghandling: It can load pallets, but it is not very good at it. The max weight is 80 kg which is the max load we are allowed to lift in CPH. I have not tried the
45 ChicagoFlyer: Interesting videos. Here is some information about Rampsnake that I know of--judge for yourselves. First, its advantages, then analysis. * Load and un
46 Baghandling: The developing of Rampsnake is started because the government told us, that we had to have some equipment that could take away the hard work. If not,
47 JRadier: To kick this thread back into activity. I just came back from Copenhagen where I met up with Martin (Baghandling) and colleauges to get some more insi
48 HAWK21M: Do they have a rep in India. regds MEL
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