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Video: Rampsnake In Use  
User currently offlineBaghandling From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9597 times:

The Rampsnake have been discussed here before, but this is the first videos on youtube.

To give a better understanding of the Rampsnake I have uploaded two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdAsGtB6Xjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nijhC8PR_ug

SAS now has 80 Rampsnakes.

If you ever come to Copenhagen, I will be more than happy to give you a demo.

Best Regards

Martin

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4651 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9528 times:

KLM has some as well, and ordered more!


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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

I bet they're not cheap...


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

wow.

Have never heard of that type of loader before. Seems to make the work of a loader alot easier.

Quoting Baghandling (Thread starter):
I will be more than happy to give you a demo

May take you up on that someday


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

Wait, how did that SAS MD become a CO 757... then a CO 737... my head hurts.

[Edited 2007-06-20 23:56:06]

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Are you kidding me? Where in the hell was this snake when I needed it? It looks great, but it makes you wonder how well it takes the abuse of the ramp? It looks like it would be a pain to repair.

I am sure I would have had alot fewer injuries with that. And days of backpain would have dramatically decreased with that.



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User currently offline6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

"Rear loader" my ass - from watching you bag-smashers at work, I envisage it remaining stowed and bags being unceremoniously PLONKed on top of the thing! Big grin

In the first video, the control panel at around 1:10 was surprising - it looks a little fiddly, like it'd be tricky to operate with gloves on, for example. Is that a problem? All the other controls looked much beefier, big chunky switches and buttons. (Forgive me, I'm a usability geek.)

Fascinating bit of kit, though!


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Excellent  Smile




Lee



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

It looks like it will make many rampers much happier. My only concern is adjusting it for every bag. That seems like it will take more time and there are more parts to break. They can still lift the bags for a small distance like that.

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

This thing eliminates one ramper from the bag loading equation - the guy who would normally crouch at the top of the belt and toss the bags to the guy who actually stacks the bags. I wonder how many hours of saved $9/hr ramper labor would be a breakeven point for this thing. Besides that, I would assume that each one of those little belts (at the top at least) has its own electric motor, which I would assume would be very prone to failure considering the way rampers treat GSE, not to mention how long airlines keep the stuff in use.

User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Baghandling

Do you operate the unit as shown in the PR clip? It does seem that the rear loader is slow.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2033 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

It's an interesting tool, to say the least. Though, I'd imagine a Rampsnake would turn into a maintenance pig after a few years of wear and tear. Heck, a standard belt loader is hard enough to maintain.


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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

This thing would probably sell more if it wasn't cursed with such a stupid name...

Rampsnake?


User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Looks pretty cool but it seems like it would take more time and effort positioning the thing then it would just a normal belt loader. It would be nice for large planes like the back bin of a 757 or for really heavy bags and cargo.

User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Looks pretty cool but it seems like it would take more time and effort positioning the thing then it would just using a normal belt loader. It would be nice for large planes like the back bin of a 757 or for really heavy bags and cargo.

User currently offlineC0ex From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8791 times:

Very impressive videos.

Thanks

Although I think it would be a waste of time to have to move it so many times inside at 737-300/500/700

And as much as technology advances, I don't think it will continue to outsource humans, because these machines break so much and so often that the downtime on these things are gonna be a lot after a year in service.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8747 times:

Very good conveyor belt unit.Very good Video.Any site describing the unit in detail.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8611 times:
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If it in fact does eliminate one ramper position our airline would like it but it looks like it would take a full time maintenance crew to run it. Since that function is again an out sourced item that is sorely lacking I'm not sure of the benefits. However, of late it has become apparent to management that they cannot continue with the back and shoulder injuries we have now. One cure was massively forcing older rampers out and a pay scale for newer ones that promoted a high (undesirably) turn over rate to another job. This, combined with less insurance coverage may help the bottom line except for the mentioned ridiculous turnover rate. Perhaps it's finally time for something human and bag friendly. What a concept!


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User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

Baghandling, very interesting concept.

A few questions ....

What is the width of the belt?
Can it be used to load standard 120x80cm/48x30in pallets into a bulk loading freighters? (Metro, An26, ATR etc)
What is the weight restriction per piece?



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1424 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

Quoting Baghandling (Thread starter):
If you ever come to Copenhagen, I will be more than happy to give you a demo.

I have a DVD from Rampsnake on this thing. I think we are even testing one at an "undisclosed" station here in the U.S...



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User currently offlineBaghandling From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 19):
I have a DVD from Rampsnake on this thing. I think we are even testing one at an "undisclosed" station here in the U.S...

I know that some of the big once has tried it.

[Edited 2007-06-21 20:38:54]

User currently offlineBaghandling From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 4):
Wait, how did that SAS MD become a CO 757... then a CO 737... my head hurts.

I understand that  Smile

The video is partly shut in the USA and in Copenhagen. Then FMC  stirthepot  it, thats why  Big grin


User currently offlineBaghandling From Denmark, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 6):
In the first video, the control panel at around 1:10 was surprising - it looks a little fiddly, like it'd be tricky to operate with gloves on, for example. Is that a problem? All the other controls looked much beefier, big chunky switches and buttons.

The control panel is not that small, everything on the Rampsnake is designed to be operated with big gloves.


User currently offlineEatmybologna From France, joined Apr 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

When I first read the heading, I thought that rampers used trained snakes to send into the bellies of the airplane and catch rodents.

Many do I feel stupid right about now. LOL



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

Quoting Baghandling (Reply 20):
I know that some of the big once has tried it.

DELTA tried it. I beleive. But start complaining about 757 operators that never opted for the Telescopic or Magic Carpet Bins.



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25 Post contains images Leezyjet : Great invention, and looks like it makes the loading process easier, but can you imagine that being used on an FR flight for example ?. There is no wa
26 Mayhem : There should exist a more basic version of this ramp snake. As the receiving ends require too much shifting, it's a great idea to let a conveyor belt
27 JRadier : Remember guys, these video's are promotional, so it will go at a slow pace and according to ideal conditions, just to show the concept. If you use it
28 JayDub : When did rampers become pansies?
29 Post contains images Pdxcof9 : Can the "snake" part make it all the way down a pit of a 738 or 752? It doesn't seem like it would be long enough. Still an interesting piece of equip
30 JRadier : According to KLM (Ground Services internal publication) the Rampsnake makes the CLS (Cargo Loading System) obsolete so that can be removed. This cause
31 Mayhem : But if they go out of work, and you don't have a rampsnake you have to drag the bags all the way to the door, whereas in other holds you can easily s
32 Baghandling : It goes 8 meter in, so it does 739 and 757-200. The only one that is too long is the 757-300 in compartment 2, here you need to do the first stack by
33 JRadier : I'm really getting interested to see this works in real life and how it compares to the old style. Nice topic for my studies (logistics)
34 HAWK21M : On our Freighters we use the In built Bulk cargo loading system [magic carpet]. regds MEL
35 Baghandling : The magic (sliding) carpet is better than nothing, but you still have to lift everything.
36 B6ramprat : You would need some time to use that thing. Its a great device though but with turn times of 40 mins on our west coast flights and 30 mins on our E 19
37 Baghandling : The A320 is one of the best aircrafts to use the snake on and turning it in 40 mins would be a lot easier with the snake.
38 TUGMASTER : Hello all, Nice looking piece of kit, however, i share the concerns of some of you guys here.... Also, FMC dvd's video's are notorius for their lack o
39 HAWK21M : It helps in stacking And the Normal Conveyor belt assists in Loading/Off loading. regds MEL
40 Baghandling : Yes thats the way I use it, I agree it looks slow, but it is not!!!
41 B6ramprat : I don't know. I really can't see using this thing. The labor intensive way just seems to do the trick for me but hey, to each is own. I mean, you got
42 OGGFBORefueler : Cool Technology! Aloha! Keone
43 Jamesbuk : Very cool! But wouldnt it me more energy efficient not to move the end around in the hold? just leave it on the floor and put the bags on top of it? b
44 Baghandling : It can load pallets, but it is not very good at it. The max weight is 80 kg which is the max load we are allowed to lift in CPH. I have not tried the
45 ChicagoFlyer : Interesting videos. Here is some information about Rampsnake that I know of--judge for yourselves. First, its advantages, then analysis. * Load and un
46 Post contains images Baghandling : The developing of Rampsnake is started because the government told us, that we had to have some equipment that could take away the hard work. If not,
47 JRadier : To kick this thread back into activity. I just came back from Copenhagen where I met up with Martin (Baghandling) and colleauges to get some more insi
48 HAWK21M : Do they have a rep in India. regds MEL
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