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WN To Cut BWI-LAX/OAK, PHL-LAX/OAK?  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Didn't see this posted yet, but Gary Chase of Lehman Brothers noted in a research note today:

Quote:
Gary says that Southwest has made seats on a number of longhaul markets unavailable beginning October 4th, including all nonstop flights from Baltimore to Los Angeles and Oakland, and Philadelphia to Los Angeles and Oakland. "We've identified similar activity in a number of other markets, including longhaul markets with frequency reductions (such as Phoenix to Providence, with 1 of 2 daily flights unavailable for purchase)," Chase added.

I'll have the actual research note available to post probably by tomorrow, instead of just Holly's quote from it.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5231 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

I don't understand exactly what is being said but it'll be interesting to see what's up. Also, he apparently didn't mention SAN-BWI (2x daily) but that doesn't surprise me; everyone forgets about SAN!

There has been talk that the transcons, ever since they started in Sept of 2002 with 2x daily LA-BWI, were "un-WN" (one plane = 2 flights per day...ouch) and maybe not terribly profitable; they've given them 5 years now so perhaps the time has come to redeploy the a/c to short- and medium-range flights like the business model says!

bb


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
Also, he apparently didn't mention SAN-BWI (2x daily) but that doesn't surprise me; everyone forgets about SAN!

The BWI-SAN nonstop flights are still available for booking, just not BWI-LAX and BWI-OAK, or PHL-OAK or PHL-LAX.

BWI-SAN has more O&D than BWI-OAK and has a 17% higher yield based on the Q3 O&D figures, so I can see cutting BWI-OAK but not BWI-SAN. Plus, with gate space at LAX at a premium, the LAX transcons may not be as profitable as other potential LAX routes - could the four n/s transcons from LAX be replaced by four daily DEN-LAX flights?


User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
I don't understand exactly what is being said but it'll be interesting to see what's up

Here's the deal. A friend of mine found it this morning as well, so I put it up on the blog.

If you go to southwest.com and search for any city pair starting October 4, you'll see some flights that have zero availability. There's no way those flights are sold out, so they must be closing them out in order to cancel them in the near future. The ones that have been found so far are:

Nonstops are gone:
LAX-BWI/PHL
OAK-BWI/PHL
SNA-MDW
PHX-CLE

One less nonstop flight (usually late night/early morning):
PHX-PVD/RDU
HOU-AUS/STL
FLL-MCO
ISP-BWI/MDW
RNO-OAK/SJC
PHX-LAX
ABQ-AMA

There are probably more, but they haven't been found yet. If you want to play, just search on southwest.com and look for flights after October 4 that are completely sold out. Remember to look on a weekday, many of those flights don't operate on weekends.

If you find one, I'd appreciate it if you left a comment on my blog post. I'm trying to get the full extent of the cuts up there.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 3):
PHX-CLE

I guess they couldn't compete with CO's 2x daily and US' daily.


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9156 times:

Basically I think those flights were just too expensive in terms of CASM and WN figured they could move those planes to other routes and generate more revenue if even at smaller airfares on short haul routes with high frequency than what these flights were making on long-hauls at higher airfares but only once or twice a day. One of those PHX-PVD flights is just going over to MHT-PHX starting up around the same time.

User currently offlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 3):
ISP-BWI/

Crap. You're right- they cut Flt.1467 ISP-BWI- it leaves ISP around 815pm, and was a good time schedule-wise for me when I've flown that route.  Angry



Kittens Give Morbo Gas
User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 3):
Nonstops are gone:
LAX-BWI/PHL
OAK-BWI/PHL
SNA-MDW
PHX-CLE

That would equate to a win for the following airlines

~Los Angeles to Philadelphia
United Airlines, US Airways

Los Angeles to Baltimore
United Airlines

Orange County to Chicago
American Airlines, United Airlines

Phoenix to Cleveland
Continental Airlines, US Airways

Very interesting. Looks like United Airlines will be the winner in a few of these markets. Then all of the fodder about Southwest Airlines being hit hard this year would seem to be true. It is amazing though that they would cut routes like LAX-BWI, or OAK-BWI; These are routes that connect Southwest Airlines key cities.. Very interesting..

However, all of these reductions in service make me wonder if Southwest Airlines has something planned for the equipment that would be used for these services. Wasn't there talk a while ago about Washington. IAD and Denver exceeding expectation, and those cities receiving additional services?

-JD


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
Wasn't there talk a while ago about Washington. IAD and Denver exceeding expectation, and those cities receiving additional services?

Actually the talk was of IAD UNDERacheiving.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 4):
I guess they couldn't compete with CO's 2x daily and US' daily

I wouldn't read too much into WN "getting beat" in these markets. I think it's more a matter of those aircraft being more useful on shorter segments, thus getting more cycles out of them. That is, for the most part, the WN business plan. Longer segments like those mentioned, i.e. PHL-LAX, PHX-CLE fit the hub-and-spoke carriers more, IMO.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 8):
Actually the talk was of IAD UNDERacheiving.

Very interesting.. and thank you for the information..

Makes you wonder if SWA route-planning needs a re-vamp!

-JD


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9037 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 3):
One less nonstop flight (usually late night/early morning):
PHX-PVD/RDU

Ah crap... so we went from 4x daily PHX service (2x WN, 2x HP/US) to 2x daily (1x WN, 1x HP), but yet equaling out on LAS (1x WN, 3weekly HP) to 2x WN, 3weekly HP...

what is going on here? can we at least get a new LOCAL flight.. like RSW or BUF or PVD or MHT or something???



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24361 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

SWA could be following a page from the Jetblue play book that sees a decline in transcon flying come winter and increase of North-South flying (Florida in B6s case).


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8970 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):

Makes you wonder if SWA route-planning needs a re-vamp!

Not that I'm privy to what goes on in the top-secret room, but we have something like 3,100 flights per day, so tweaking a few here and there isn't a huge deal in the big scheme of things.. (IMHO, of course..)  Wink


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
what is going on here? can we at least get a new LOCAL flight.. like RSW or BUF or PVD or MHT or something??

They have to be doing something with these planes... and also they are going to be re-doing their schedule (another optimization) for early November, that should be published within the next month.

PVD-RDU/ORF/JAX/MSY/IND/PIT/HOU would all be good.

Its pretty obvious that the best area for an LCC is the 500-1500 mile segment so i think thats where we will see WN focus.

I.E PVD-BNA is roughly the same fare as PVD-PHX



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Add one more to the list - one less flight on PHL-PVD.

What's interesting to me is that, in addition to the extremely long flights being targeted, many of the flights with reduced frequencies are the short flights. Five of the twenty shortest routes WN currently flies (HOU-AUS, MCO-FLL, BWI-ISP, and RNO-OAK/SJC), all of which are under 225 miles, lose a roundtrip flight.

Not sure exactly what this means, but I find it interesting.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5295 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 15):
What's interesting to me is that, in addition to the extremely long flights being targeted, many of the flights with reduced frequencies are the short flights. Five of the twenty shortest routes WN currently flies (HOU-AUS, MCO-FLL, BWI-ISP, and RNO-OAK/SJC), all of which are under 225 miles, lose a roundtrip flight.

Not sure exactly what this means, but I find it interesting.

I'm guessing it means optimization of the route network, and not a heck of a lot more.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8756 times:
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Dose anyone know whats up with WN & PHL? I keep hearing how successful WN has been since the beginning at PHL. They continue to ask for more gates to expand, but they have now cut three cities IIRC. This fall WN will be getting more gates at PHL when Delta moves to one of the A concourses. I even remember reading one article that referenced PHL as a possible City for their future foreign routes. What is in the future for WN & PHL? John.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

I've been hearing about more flights to MSY come the October schedule.


Next trip: MSY-SEA-GEG-SEA-LWS-BOI-PDX-SEA-LAS on AS
User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1022 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8692 times:
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Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 4):
I guess they couldn't compete with CO's 2x daily and US' daily.

While my assumption could be wrong, I was always under the assumption that WN was not all that strong in CLE. So this one does not OVERLY surprise me.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
Very interesting. Looks like United Airlines will be the winner in a few of these markets.

Good, well hopefully they can raise the fares on these routes to profitable levels and improve yield. However, hopefully they will not go overboard and gouge travelers.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8634 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
However, all of these reductions in service make me wonder if Southwest Airlines has something planned for the equipment that would be used for these services. Wasn't there talk a while ago about Washington. IAD and Denver exceeding expectation, and those cities receiving additional services?

I was thinking the same thing. Also, I believe they have several more aircraft deliveries yet this year. Some city is in for a nice schedule boost.


User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8602 times:
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I expect WN to continue to do what they do best. Mix and match loads through direct flights rather than longer nonstops. It's how they've gotten where they are.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

SWA could be following a page from the Jetblue play book that sees a decline in transcon flying come winter and increase of North-South flying (Florida in B6s case).

This comment strikes me as the most important in the discussion. We haven't heard boo from Southwest yet, just one A.netter found some likely schedule adjustments coming at a time of year when some airlines do some seasonal capacity shifting. Yields need to be good for an LCC to justify getting only two segments out of an a/c per day. Obviously JetBlue hasn't withdrawn from transcons or near-transcons entirely; it seems to me that their bigger and more established competitor isn't likely to either. But seasonal adjustments (of a tiny handful of WN flights, as OPNLguy noted) in search of better yields seems a likely course of action to me. Time will tell, of course, if the adjustments are seasonal or permanent, but I'd bet seasonal.

Jim


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting Catdaddy63 (Reply 21):
I expect WN to continue to do what they do best. Mix and match loads through direct flights rather than longer nonstops. It's how they've gotten where they are.

This makes me wonder with this schedule reduction of approximately 10 aircraft, what routes have gained the additional service. Looking on SWA.com this would seem like more of a temporary fleet reduction. It will be interesting to see what the schedules will bring for 11/2 onwards..

-JD


User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
However, all of these reductions in service make me wonder if Southwest Airlines has something planned for the equipment that would be used for these services. Wasn't there talk a while ago about Washington. IAD and Denver exceeding expectation, and those cities receiving additional services?

Actually, loads in IAD were apparently sub-50% and DEN wasn't all that much better.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 22):

This comment strikes me as the most important in the discussion. We haven't heard boo from Southwest yet, just one A.netter found some likely schedule adjustments coming at a time of year when some airlines do some seasonal capacity shifting. Yields need to be good for an LCC to justify getting only two segments out of an a/c per day. Obviously JetBlue hasn't withdrawn from transcons or near-transcons entirely; it seems to me that their bigger and more established competitor isn't likely to either. But seasonal adjustments (of a tiny handful of WN flights, as OPNLguy noted) in search of better yields seems a likely course of action to me. Time will tell, of course, if the adjustments are seasonal or permanent, but I'd bet seasonal.

While this was just a post by an A.netter, you can in fact confirm on the website that the flights do not have selling fares at the moment so it appears they are gone for now. October is usually a fairly early time to start pulling seasonal capacity as demand is still fairly strong in October. It isn't really until closer to winter that normal seasonal capacity is removed. Don't know if I believe these pulls are seasonal in nature. Seems more likely that it confirms my earlier suspicions: WN is starting to struggle now that it is paying closer to the market price for fuel. Keep in mind, they are still hedged at $50 a barrel, roughly $18-20 less than current market values. However, that is way up from $35 hedges previously. They still have more to go when the hedges start running out completedly. When that happens, WN is going to have some really serious troubles. If you think this is hyperbole, consider how many ASMs WN flies in a year and then consider that their fuel bill will effectively double in a few short years (from $35 hedged to $70 post hedging). That is billions of dollars in added costs, not millions.


25 Post contains images SANFan : Let's not forget that WN is in the midst of starting up SFO (and doubling their real estate to 4 gates later this year) so I would not be surprised t
26 Halls120 : They can't on IAD-OAK, unless B6 joins them in gouging.
27 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : Don't they regularly adjust their schedule? For Instance, come October there probably isn't much of a demand for a 6:30AM weekday flight from SJC to
28 Post contains images SANFan : I don't find it that way at all, SJC'. I don't think it's necessarily the end of civil aviation as we know it either, but somewhere in between maybe.
29 CV990A : Close- the plane that runs the canned ISP-BWI flight comes in from LAS and then when it gets to BWI it does a late BWI-BDL flight.
30 PHLBOS : Memo to Philly travellers bound for CA this fall that want to fly non-stop: HOLD ON to your wallets! Which flight is getting dropped? I hope WN's not
31 Flyingcat : WN expansion in PHL is based on their assumption, correct or incorrect, that PHL will take off. However as evidenced by the recent sale for most PHL n
32 RL757PVD : its the first PHL-PVD (probably empty anyways, leaves PHL at 6 something am) and the first PVD-PHL (0645), there is still a morning flight 1 hour lat
33 Usairways85 : PVD-PHL flt 3150 leaving PVD at 655 has been zeroed out PHL-PVD flt 1093 leaving PHL at 645 has been zeroed out
34 MSYtristar : The local paper here reported a few weeks back that WN was looking into adding more MSY-HOU flights as well as increased service to Chicago, Nashville
35 EXAAUADL : What youre witnessing is the effect of expiring fuel hedges and possibly price sensitive market....Gordon Bethune said WN made a huge mistake by not
36 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Aren't they the ones that got themselves in this position in the first place ?
37 FLYGUY767 : This may be a outlandish idea but what about the following addition to San Francisco with Southwest Airlines~ Burbank United Airlines/United Express
38 DesertAir : [quote=SANFan,reply=25]Wow; SAN is keeping flights that LAX is losing... never thought I'd see the day. (And I've been pushing for SAN-PHL. Guess I'll
39 USPIT10L : Those don't sound too far-fetched, especially BUR, ONT, SNA, or PDX, knowing WN's battle plans in the past. But also remember, they fly to most of th
40 FLYGUY767 : SNA is maxed out in slots now.. I would love to see them on the SFO-SNA route, but they dont have the slots to make the route a go without purging sl
41 USPIT10L : Thanks for that tidbit. I didn't read the whole post, that's why SNA was listed.
42 EXAAUADL : I think before WN grows in SOF, they should wait to see how the current markets perform both financially and operationally.
43 RL757PVD : I guess the next question is.... where are these planes going to be going?
44 Tornado82 : Don't forget about the so-called Secret WN overcapacity plan that I believe OPNLguy (??) told us about awhile back. "Retire all 73-classics" This cou
45 ATLAaron : SNA has really grown in the last 5-10 years hasn't it? I know I sure have flown in and out of there a lot in the last 2 years. Seems like good yields
46 RL757PVD : Though arent they outfitting a bunch of those with winglets as we speak?
47 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : It indeed has some of the highest yields in the state.. There has an will continue to be ongoing growth at SNA. However, I for one miss the days of t
48 Asuflyer05 : What makes this significant is because the flights were zeroed out before a major schedule update and it is a large chunk of their trans-con flying.
49 FATFlyer : SNA will see limited growth. SNA handled 9.6 million passengers last year. They are capped per the settlement agreement to 10.3 million in 2010 and 1
50 Laxintl : Its going to get very interesting in SNA. Year over year growth rate so far this year is running at 6%. Airlines were yet again recently reminded to
51 Post contains images OPNLguy : I don't believe I've ever mentioned anything called an "over capacity" plan, so I guess you're confusing me with someone else... I don't think so. Th
52 FATFlyer : The mix in the SNA agreement of a passenger cap plus an avg daily departure limit makes it a fascinating operational balancing act to watch. They can
53 Laxintl : This years 6% growth at SNA has caught everyone by surprise. 2006 traffic was flat, while 2005 grew a modest 3%. There really are no options for airli
54 CitrusCritter : If BWI-OAK is cut permanently, I wonder if FL would start up BWI-SFO? It would seem to be a possibility with IND-SFO and BWI-SEA. I don't really think
55 FCYTravis : But I think the point is, this move isn't "a few tweaks here and there" - this is the discontinuation of several routes and a large-scale reduction i
56 OPNLguy : OK, make that "several" of the 3,100 daily flights.... Still no big deal in my book... Large-scale reduction? OK, 4 out of 8 flights (example numbers
57 Post contains images OPNLguy : In lieu of official announcements, I don't think anyone can necessarily assume anything...
58 Post contains images FCYTravis : Well, it's true that this is a drop in the bucket in WN's overall flying.
59 Post contains images CitrusCritter : My point exactly. Until WN says something officially, you just can't book these flights on the website, so at best we can assume it is a seasonal red
60 AirRyan : I still don't think WN fully understands how they affect the entire domestic US airline pricing - if they would publish all of their fares so all of
61 MtnWest1979 : I'll say these aircraft will be reallocated to start a slew of red-eye flights thru LAS.
62 Post contains images Zippyjet : That's news to me! From inside the airline employee grapevine, the BWI-LAX, BWI-LAS and some of the other trans con flights on WN are usually booked
63 FLYGUY767 : That may fit into the rumor that US Airways will be de-hubbing Las Vegas by year end.. -JD
64 Flyboyaz : Where did you hear that from? They announced that they would be retiming flights to more daytime ones...but I've heard nothing about de-hubbing LAS.
65 SANFan : I'm a little confused here Zippyjet. I assume you are referring here to FL's BWI-SEA flight... I therefore assume you work for AirTran? There are oth
66 HPRamper : Not anytime soon with the US redeye hub there. It would be totally counterproductive for WN. Key word here - "rumor". Personally, I haven't heard tha
67 Zippyjet : You are correct! And I agree, load factors don't tell the whole financial story but, both us and WN are using modern Boeing 737 NG. higher efficiency
68 ATLAaron : While there would be less potential seats in the short-term, that would quickly change. Companies will not pay an excessive premium to fly you into S
69 SANFan : Well, problem solved; IF (and I repeat, IF) the WN trans-cons go away, the solution is simple: FL starts flying BWI-West Coast n/s! (And I hope they
70 Laxintl : SNA already has a nice premium over LAX on several city pairs (mostly intra-CA). With an absolute limit on the number of annual pax that can use the
71 A330323X : LAS is and always has been a loser for HP. You'll just never hear Parker or Kirby admit that. LAS produces approximately a $30 million annual operati
72 Asuflyer05 : I believe the August schedule update will show the most significant reduction in flights. If you pick through the schedule now I'm sure you can come
73 FLYGUY767 : The rumor that I heard was from two people that have everyday dealing with LAS. One works for Delta Air Lines, and the other works for Omni Air Inter
74 Humberside : Why aren't US planning to have a day and night hub in one place
75 FLYGUY767 : They could do that all with Phoenix, however Las Vegas and Phoenix are two totally different markets. Las Vegas is the largest O/D hub market in the
76 SANFan : I don't really want to continue the hijacking of this thread but when did US drop the Vegas-Hawaii flights? I completely missed that. What about the r
77 ScottB : History shows that typically the network carriers will choose to gouge travelers where they can. I was thinking that might be the case as well. A 73G
78 FLYGUY767 : Round One of the LAS-HNL flight was with the 747 and was with HP metal, dropped in the erly 1990's Round Two HP started and HP(US) now operates LAS-O
79 Tornado82 : For having such specific dollar amount numbers... Source?
80 FLYGUY767 : That source may be internal, of which cannot be stated in a public forum.. Vegas is known for poor yields.. FACT US Airways is redeploying assets els
81 Tornado82 : Somehow I doubt a college student at CMU is secretly working at PHX for US HQ. "If you have something to say, please do so; however be sure to mentio
82 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : Tornado82... Good Point... A330323x.. Is there a source? -JD
83 Incitatus : Let's rewrite the argument for sake of clarity. Airlines do not schedule aircraft based on how useful they are. It schedules them based on how much p
84 ATLAaron : I never understood why US/HP needed hubs at both PHX and LAS.
85 A330323X : There is indeed a source--with me, there always is--but it's one that I'm not at liberty to post unless I'd like to get myself sued. People may e-mai
86 HPRamper : I actually think it's for the better for US. As has been stated ad infinitum, LAS is a very low-revenue market. Right now LAS is an O&D market and a
87 ScottB : Two reasons: First, WN's system ASM costs are lower than US West's (AWA). For 2006, excluding fuel costs, AWA's ASM cost was 7.00 cents. In 2006, Sou
88 WNCrew : I don't know that we'll necessarily be adding any additional flights but as of October we ARE opening a Pilot/FA crew base in LAS.
89 Tornado82 : That wasn't my rule that I was quoting, that was directly sourced from the Airliners.net rules as I noted. Which is mostly what it is anyways. You ca
90 FLYGUY767 : What would those segments be? Southwest is doing something right in Las Vegas. I have posted a list above of the routes that HP formerly flew and now
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