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User currently offlineRhh621 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Is this gate being used for widebodies now? I've seen a intl flights departing from this gate. I thought all of the A/B gates were used for ExpressJet flights?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Yes, there are now quite a few international departures from that area. When I was there last month, both Italy flights were leaving from that area. I was intrigued watching them push tug a 767 into that area (rather slowly and ineptly it looked), so I watched from the President's club and then walked down there to take a look. Plus I like checking out the 114/115 gates, a pretty cool use of space.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

While C-2 at EWR is generally used for regional jet operations, CO can place up to three widebodies at 104A, 106A and 108A from that area......and has been doing so this summer during the early evening international push out of EWR. Note that 777s can be accommodated out of these gates as well. The inagurual flight from EWR to ATH departed out of 104A while on that evening 106A and 108A were 777s flying to London and Paris. Of course, when any of these gates are being used for large aircraft, the B portion of the respective gate cannot be utilized.

Remember C-2 was built for mainline service and some of the gates could take widebody aircraft....only after C-3 opened and CO did a bit of reorgazniation at EWR were the C-2 gates re-assigned to regional operations and the A/B modifications were made to allow two airplanes per gate area. C-2 also had its own Presidents Club; it was closed when the new Club inbetween C-2 and C-3 was opened.

With EWR handling more wideobdy flights, CO is looking for alternatives......its gonna be interesting to see what they do.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
C-2 also had its own Presidents Club; it was closed when the new Club inbetween C-2 and C-3 was opened.

Dutch - any word on whether they're going to re-open a P-Club in C2 given the amount of Xjet flights and the new addition of some int'l flights opping out of C2. I may just be lazy, but it's nice to have a P-Club right next to the gates vs having to choose either the C1 or C3 P-Clubs?



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
Dutch - any word on whether they're going to re-open a P-Club in C2 given the amount of Xjet flights and the new addition of some int'l flights opping out of C2. I may just be lazy, but it's nice to have a P-Club right next to the gates vs having to choose either the C1 or C3 P-Clubs

From what I hear, the plan is NOT to re-open it....the new (and recently enlarged) P-Club between C-2 and C-3 serves those concourses. My opinion is that its a bad decision.....both P Clubs in Terminal C are packed during the evening rush and it can be difficult finding even a place to sit.

And, I agree, its nice to have a club very close to the gates.......clubs are a premium amenity and you have every right to be lazy and think that one should be very conveniently located to your departure gate.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
My opinion is that its a bad decision.....both P Clubs in Terminal C are packed during the evening rush and it can be difficult finding even a place to sit.

Agree, early May was in the C2/C3 one before my flight to MSY and it was pretty hard-pressed to find a seat in their, even with its size.

Perhaps it's something CO can look at long-term as they continue to re-evaluate their EWR ops.

I wonder if, given the push CO is making route-wise at EWR, if we're going to see even more flights get shuttled over to A aside from the current Chicago, Atlanta, Washington, Dallas and Boston? I could see a few other destinations getting moved over there if they start running out of room in C. Another option could be return of shuttling passengers to XJet ops, while not ideal, would definitely free up more gates for mainline expansion?



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
I wonder if, given the push CO is making route-wise at EWR, if we're going to see even more flights get shuttled over to A aside from the current Chicago, Atlanta, Washington, Dallas and Boston? I could see a few other destinations getting moved over there if they start running out of room in C. Another option could be return of shuttling passengers to XJet ops, while not ideal, would definitely free up more gates for mainline expansion

Look for some major re-organization by CO at EWR in the near-term future.......several options are being studied. One was moving Express over to A but there really is not enough room at A and it would be confusing for passengers, especially on routes where a mix of mailine and Express operate.

CO is looking to connect all or part of the C-2 concourse into the immigration/customs facility (think of an extra level added to the terminal that would go over the P-Club and into the immigration area) so that international flights could arrive at C-2. As you many know, CO is using Terminal B for some international arrivals once again and passengers are not very amused (although clearing immigration can be quicker over at B, especially for non-US pax). If that happens, look for most of C-2 to revert to mainline operations and Express will be moved elsewhere (and they may have to do the bus thing again.....I hope not). The thought of moving a few departing flights to Terminal B during the evening rush has been discussed but, from what I hear, dropped.

As more aircraft are delivered, look for CO to spread out European departures; CO would like to have atleast two flights per day out of EWR to many European cities, and move to three pushes: one around 500PM, the second around 800PM and the last at about 1100PM......with many cities having flights during two of the three pushes. This will help.....Terminal 3 is getting very tight around 600-800PM and when EWR's notorious summer ATC delays are factored in, its a big mess.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
My opinion is that its a bad decision.....both P Clubs in Terminal C are packed during the evening rush and it can be difficult finding even a place to sit.

I agree. A regional Presidents Club would be nice.

OR...

An international J class lounge with showers and food, but only for international J class pax (arriving/departing) and platinum elite members who are also PAID members of Presidents Club on any flight (no American Express customers, which would exclude me...).

If they want to compete for J traffic long term, I think that's what they are going to need to do.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
As you many know, CO is using Terminal B for some international arrivals once again and passengers are not very amused (although clearing immigration can be quicker over at B, especially for non-US pax).

I cleared out of CDG into Terminal B and found it much nicer than when I clear into Terminal C. If they can just figure out how to give a more direct walking route to the monorail, it would be great. But at least you can use the luggage cart all the way from getting your baggage through the monorail and back into T-C, and it was a really easy transfer.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
An international J class lounge with showers and food, but only for international J class pax (arriving/departing) and platinum elite members who are also PAID members of Presidents Club on any flight (no American Express customers, which would exclude me...).

If they want to compete for J traffic long term, I think that's what they are going to need to do

Excellent point.......this is going to sound a bit jerky: but I am a Presidents Club member and am Platinum Elite and do frequently fly BizFirst (although I get there through upgrades and promotions) and I do find it annoying that the Presidents Clubs (especially at EWR) are packed with pax (entire families of pax, I should say, including the sceaming kids) flying to Florida for the weekend on $69.00 fares but are hanging in the Presidents Club only because they happen to have a Platinum Amex Card (which I also have). The P Clubs at EWR are anything but a quiet place to relax, read, or do some work. Lets see what CO comes up with.


User currently offlineFLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
The inagurual flight from EWR to ATH departed out of 104A while on that evening 106A and 108A were 777s flying to London and Paris. Of course, when any of these gates are being used for large aircraft, the B portion of the respective gate cannot be utilized

Just an FYI the first flight to Athens on June 7 departed out of 73 or 74. I remember passing it and seeing it push as I made my way to the gate for my flight across the pond. It was amazing how much Continental decorated the whole gate area.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 9):

Just an FYI the first flight to Athens on June 7 departed out of 73 or 74. I remember passing it and seeing it push as I made my way to the gate for my flight across the pond. It was amazing how much Continental decorated the whole gate area.

Oops, I was at EWR on 8th June.....I thought that was the inaguaral date.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1596 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Excellent point.......this is going to sound a bit jerky: but I am a Presidents Club member and am Platinum Elite and do frequently fly BizFirst (although I get there through upgrades and promotions) and I do find it annoying that the Presidents Clubs (especially at EWR) are packed with pax (entire families of pax, I should say, including the sceaming kids) flying to Florida for the weekend on $69.00 fares but are hanging in the Presidents Club only because they happen to have a Platinum Amex Card (which I also have). The P Clubs at EWR are anything but a quiet place to relax, read, or do some work. Lets see what CO comes up with.

Doesn't sound "jerky"  Wink

That being said, especially for BizFirst (whether paid or upgrades), it would seem prudent to create a special or more exclusive lounge experience.

I know I'm a Deltoid, but something similar to the difference between the CRC and the BizElite lounges would seem something CO could try out. CVG, JFK and ATL all have them specifically for First/Business pax on int'l flights and they are in general more quiet and less crowded than the CRCs (which similar to CO, you either pay to be a member or flash your Amex Plat). The ones in ATL and CVG are quite nice and a much needed break from the mass of Medallions/CRC members that crowd all 7 CRCs in ATL.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Excellent point.......this is going to sound a bit jerky:

Hey, I'm an Amex Plat and I totally appreciate the ability to go to any CO lounge before my flight, even if it is crowded. It's still better than the general airport.

But I also think that BusinessFirst pax deserve more. Visiting the Flagship Lounge at LAX for AA showed me that it doesn't even take that much space to do it right. Now granted, it would need to be bigger at EWR for CO, but still, it's doable. At IAH, they could make room in the huge E lounge for a BusinessFirst section with a glass partition and door. They wouldn't even have to install showers or bathrooms there, just have a seperate controlled access room with food, seats and drinks.

And while some rap stars may be upset, NO GUESTS. If you want guests, they can meet you in the Presidents Club. Only real Business First pax (including mileage rewards, as they are real customers) can enter, or Platinum Elite who are also members (who can bring one traveling companion).

If they do that, they can offer light meals preboarding as well as allowing you to choose your meal for the flight pre-flight. It would make the outbound travel much easier from EWR for BF pax.

Who do we contact to propose such an idea? I'll put together a proposal even though I'd only use it once a year!



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Who do we contact to propose such an idea? I'll put together a proposal even though I'd only use it once a year!

The general manager of CO's Presidents Clubs at the Houston headquarters......gotta get his/her name.


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
From what I hear, the plan is NOT to re-open it....the new (and recently enlarged) P-Club between C-2 and C-3 serves those concourses. My opinion is that its a bad decision.....both P Clubs in Terminal C are packed during the evening rush and it can be difficult finding even a place to sit.

The old C-2 club has been replaced by a Continental credit union office and some operational space. There is very little real estate left in any of the concourses at C terminal for a club of sufficient size to cater to the volume of traffic that EWR handles at peak hours. I agree that premium space should be set aside for BusinessFirst customers, but it is obvious that CO feels the fragmentation of club space (as it is now the two C clubs are massive facilities) would result in worse overall service for the customer, and not worth the expense.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
CO is looking to connect all or part of the C-2 concourse into the immigration/customs facility (think of an extra level added to the terminal that would go over the P-Club and into the immigration area) so that international flights could arrive at C-2.

I have heard this idea tossed about but never with much substance. The customs and immigration facility at C would have to be expanded to support this operation, since the existing setup is designed to meet the needs of arriving traffic at C-3 only. As many of us can attest, the place can get p-r-e-t-t-y crowded on an EWR summer afternoon, even with the staggered arrival banks from overseas.

More to the point, the PANYNJ put pressure on CO to send overflow traffic to the underused Terminal B facility, itself only a bit over a decade old. The net result there is that CO would probably have to finance a C FIS expansion project alone, without aid from a Port Authority that needs to protect its investment next door as a tax-funded organization. The B to C connection is a piece of cake with the monorail since all arriving international customers do exit the secure airside zone, and doesn't mean much when, in all likelyhood, their connecting flight is late.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
Express will be moved elsewhere (and they may have to do the bus thing again.....I hope not). The thought of moving a few departing flights to Terminal B during the evening rush has been discussed but, from what I hear, dropped.

After the old tower was demolished at EWR, a rumor went around that a midfield RJ facility was in the works north of the C-1 concourse. Of course, given the diminished economics of the 50-seat RJ, and the FAA's insistence on scheduling fewer flights with larger jets at peak times in the NYC terminal area, this idea was nothing more than a pipe dream. Buses are more likely in the short-term, especially because the hardstand space that area offers is quite valuable to the operation.

You want to hear something more likely? When the PANYNJ announces the redevelopment of Terminal A within the next 2-3 years, you can bet Continental will be a major tenant of the expanded facility. That will be the next big move for CO at EWR. In the meantime, regional operations will continue to be de-emphasized.

Departing gate space is a little easier to come by, because CO often cleans, fuels, and caters outbound international flights on hardstands, taxies to a gate on C, loads, pushes, and is out the door. Any widebody gates become available since no special facilities are required (e.g. sterile access to the FIS), so space at C-1/2/3 is used much more flexibly. Plus, additional above-the-wing staff would need to be hired at B to handle departing international pax, not to mention construction of amenities customers expect on international trips like a Presidents Club. The cost would vastly outweigh any possible benefit such an arrangement could offer, especially when the operation can be consolidated under one roof.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
free up more gates for mainline expansion?

There won't be much mainline expansion out of EWR, now or at any point in the near future. The airport is simply maxed out. Any mainline growth there would come at the expense of regional operations, or single-daily flights to international destinations. Net departure growth should be flat.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):

The general manager of CO's Presidents Clubs at the Houston headquarters......gotta get his/her name.

Guys like Bill Meehan, Mark Bergsrud, and Jim Compton would be higher-ups who are responsible for the Presidents Clubs.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting 777gk (Reply 14):
Guys like Bill Meehan, Mark Bergsrud, and Jim Compton would be higher-ups who are responsible for the Presidents Clubs.

Who's the best guy to address it to? The one likely having that area in his job portfolio?

Considering how everyone else is stepping up their game in NYC for the international premium traffic, CO can't afford to sit there with overcrowded clubs with no meal service for TATL premium customers. Not if they want to serve LHR...



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Meehan is SVP of Airport Services, Bergsrud is SVP of Marketing Programs and Distribution, and Compton is EVP of Marketing. Meehan would probably be the guy.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Quoting 777gk (Reply 14):
More to the point, the PANYNJ put pressure on CO to send overflow traffic to the underused Terminal B facility, itself only a bit over a decade old. The net result there is that CO would probably have to finance a C FIS expansion project alone, without aid from a Port Authority that needs to protect its investment next door as a tax-funded organization. The B to C connection is a piece of cake with the monorail since all arriving international customers do exit the secure airside zone, and doesn't mean much when, in all likelyhood, their connecting flight is late.

If continuing or expanding the number of International arrivals at Terminal B is a permanent solution then perhaps CO and the Port Authority should build a connector from Terminal B to Terminal C, as an alternative or back up when the Airtrain is too crowded.

Quoting 777gk (Reply 14):
You want to hear something more likely? When the PANYNJ announces the redevelopment of Terminal A within the next 2-3 years, you can bet Continental will be a major tenant of the expanded facility. That will be the next big move for CO at EWR. In the meantime, regional operations will continue to be de-emphasized.

The Port Authority has in their 10 year capital projects budget $1.2 Billion for the redevelopment of Terminal A, which includes new concourses. CO can decide how many gates they would need and the PA would build accordingly. Or another option I feel is a better idea is this..

When the the Terminal A redevelopment happens move DL, NWA, YX and any other domestic carriers from Terminal B to the redeveloped Terminal A. Then replace the B-1 rotunda concourse where DL and NWA are now with a linear concourse that houses COEX/CO Connection etc.. While also building the sky bridge from Terminal B to Terminal C.

That way travelers arriving on CO from an International flight at Terminal B heading for a COEX connection can transfer right there in Terminal B, or walk or take the Airtrain to Terminal C which is only one stop. This would mean that no connection at EWR on CO is more than one stop on the Airtrain away.

Speaking of Terminal B, I was there Thursday and the scope of the redevelopment the Port Authority is doing there is much larger than what I expecting. They already opened the new British Airways ticket counter in the lower level, and the parking lot out front is a total construction site.



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