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Who Gets The First Eight 787s? Answers Here  
User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13060 times:

Before now, it was not specifically known what airlines would be the first to receive the 787 Dreamliner. It was clear that ANA would be the launch customer receiving the first production model (LN7) and the previous six would be used as test frames; eventually being refurbished and delivered to ANA, Northwest and another unknown airline.

Flightblogger has learned exactly which frames, including the two General Electric powered GENx 787s (LN 5 & 6) will go once fight testing has ended. In addition, this blogger has learned the destination of the second production model 787-8.

All Nippon Airways will be the recipients of LN1 and LN2, while Northwest Airlines will receive LN3 and LN4. Royal Air Maroc, the national airline of Morocco will take delivery of LN5 and LN6, the GENx test frames.

Dreamliner Eight, LN8, also known as ZA008 will be delivered to Air China in time for the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing.

Graphics and pictures of the first eight are here:

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

LN1/ZA001:
All Nippon Airways
Rolls Royce Trent 1000
N787BA

LN2/ZA002:
All Nippon Airways
Rolls Royce Trent 1000
N787EX

LN3/ZA003:
Northwest Airlines
Rolls Royce Trent 1000

LN4/ZA004:
Northwest Airlines
Rolls Royce Trent 1000

LN5/ZA005:
Royal Air Maroc
General Electric GENx

LN6/ZA006:
Royal Air Maroc
General Electric GENx

LN7/ZA007:
All Nippon Airways
Rolls Royce Trent 1000
Production Unit 1

LN8/ZA008:
Air China
Rolls Royce Trent 1000
Production Unit 2

A lot of additional detail on the first eight are here:

http://flightblogger.blogspot.com

Onward,

IAD787


Former FlightBlogger turned Wall Street Journal Aerospace Beat Reporter
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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13017 times:

Thank you. Been wondering this for awhile. Now I just hope I get to be on one of those NW 787s when they start Asia ops.

Now I am wondering when CO, AC, QF and JL get theirs?



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User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12973 times:

Thanks for the info! Since these are going to be part of the flight testing program, would it be correct to assume that they won't be the first 8 Dreamliners delivered? Assuming that's correct, do you have any info on who the first few 787s will go to? I know ANA gets the first one, but after that...?

Josh



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3413 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12836 times:

Quoting Jogales (Reply 2):
Thanks for the info! Since these are going to be part of the flight testing program, would it be correct to assume that they won't be the first 8 Dreamliners delivered? Assuming that's correct, do you have any info on who the first few 787s will go to? I know ANA gets the first one, but after that...

if you read the post you would see only the first 6 at this time are used for flight test, the #7 frame goes to ANA and #8 to Airchina.

The only possible change to this is Boeing has said if it needs to it will add MORE frames to the test flight program to see it done on time. I would suspect the #7 frame would be used, but not #8 as The olympics and the frame number are both symbolic in nature and great efforts will be made to see that plane be done on time.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Jon, so l/n 1 won't be wearing N787DL after all then eh?  Wink Strange that! I'm sure I recall someone saying it would be N787BA a good while back, but the name of that person slips my mind at the moment ......  biggrin 

R


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11176 times:

That is one great looking aircraft! The Dreamliner ANA livery looks great! Not long to go now.

When will the first 787-900 be built? (and the 787-1000?)



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 4):
Jon, so l/n 1 won't be wearing N787DL after all then eh? Wink Strange that! I'm sure I recall someone saying it would be N787BA a good while back, but the name of that person slips my mind at the moment ...... biggrin

Sometimes you place bets and you win, sometimes you place bets and you lose. I still believe that N787DL will find a home on one of the 787s. The details of that FAA log was just too coincidental. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but they could be saving Delta Lima for LN1 at the last minute and move Bravo Alpha and Echo X-Ray to LN2 and LN3 as a surprise. Who knows?



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 5):
When will the first 787-900 be built? (and the 787-1000?)

For the last time, it is the 787-9 and 787-10, NOT the 787-900 and 787-1000...

787-3's launch customer: ANA. EIS 2010
787-9's launch customer: Air New Zealand. EIS 2010
787-10 EIS 2013

^all EIS before the first A350.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10427 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
For the last time, it is the 787-9 and 787-10, NOT the 787-900 and 787-1000...

Whoops, Airbus on the brain there on my behalf.

Any exact dates for the roll out of the first 787-3, 787-9 and 787-10?



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10427 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
787-10 EIS 2013

There is no -10 EIS yet.



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User currently offlineBimmerkid19 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting IAD787 (Thread starter):
LN3/ZA003:
Northwest Airlines
Rolls Royce Trent 1000

LN4/ZA004:
Northwest Airlines
Rolls Royce Trent 1000

Wow!! The first RR engines for NW!!! I love RR Engines. They are nice and quiet!


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
For the last time, it is the 787-9 and 787-10, NOT the 787-900 and 787-1000...

Although once you add the Boeing customer code to the aircraft type (i.e. 787-919), doesn't it in effect become the 787-300/-800/-900/-1000?


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8296 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

Great information - thank you for all your efforts!

The question I'm starting to think of is how many 787's Boeing will have for delivery when they get their certification. I've read that Boeing will continue to build planes during the certification process and there will be more than a handful ready. I'm assuming that the final number will be dependent on the suppliers and the ramping up process, but would love to know the anticipated number.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
787-10 EIS 2013

There is no -10 EIS yet.

http://boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070619c_nr.html

"We see the 787-10 being introduced sometime around 2013"


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 6):
Sometimes you place bets and you win, sometimes you place bets and you lose. I still believe that N787DL will find a home on one of the 787s. The details of that FAA log was just too coincidental. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but they could be saving Delta Lima for LN1 at the last minute and move Bravo Alpha and Echo X-Ray to LN2 and LN3 as a surprise. Who knows?

 Wink

I personally don't think N787DL will be a 787 test reg. However, I'm now hearing rumours about N787A, N787E and N787ZA ..... Coincidentally, those 3 are all registered to Boeing at Seattle whereas N787BA and N787EX are registered to Boeing at Oklahoma... Ho-hum...

R


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

For those who missed the picture in the link...



Quoting IAD787 (Thread starter):
All Nippon Airways will be the recipients of LN1 and LN2

Since ANA will recieve the first aircraft built, does this mean the 787 will have Rolls Royce Engines hanging under the wings at the roll out and on the first flight?



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 15):
Since ANA will recieve the first aircraft built, does this mean the 787 will have Rolls Royce Engines hanging under the wings at the roll out and on the first flight?

Yes, the first Boeing aircraft to roll out with non-us engines.

Also, the liveries the planes are in... that is the livery those planes will roll out in. 787s can not be repainted, so you will not see a 787 in full Boeing colors.


User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Also, the liveries the planes are in... that is the livery those planes will roll out in. 787s can not be repainted, so you will not see a 787 in full Boeing colors.

Ok, I might have been asleep for the past few years here, but the 787 cannot be re-pained? I know it is a composite material, and that the (shiny) Aluminum liveries were out of the question, but a 787 cannot be re-painted at ALL? If this is true, then my question(s) is this. First, if the livery gets worn and faded can they add additional paint to an already existing livery? And the second question, what happens if the aircraft switches owners, or a leasing company takes back a 787, and leases it to another airline? Is it going to be a permanent hybrid livery?



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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
Thank you. Been wondering this for awhile. Now I just hope I get to be on one of those NW 787s when they start Asia ops.

Now I am wondering when CO, AC, QF and JL get theirs?

According to the latest JQ were to get their first one in AUG 2008 and QF in JUL 2009, but who's to say if that will change depending on production running to schedule


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3033 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7514 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Yes, the first Boeing aircraft to roll out with non-us engines.

cough cough 757 cough...



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User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Yes, the first Boeing aircraft to roll out with non-us engines.

I thought the 757 held that distinction?


User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
QF

yeah Im wondering when QF will recieve their 787s as well. They have the largest purchase with 115 787s.
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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting Cbphoto (Reply 17):

Ok, I might have been asleep for the past few years here, but the 787 cannot be re-pained? I know it is a composite material, and that the (shiny) Aluminum liveries were out of the question, but a 787 cannot be re-painted at ALL? If this is true, then my question(s) is this. First, if the livery gets worn and faded can they add additional paint to an already existing livery? And the second question, what happens if the aircraft switches owners, or a leasing company takes back a 787, and leases it to another airline? Is it going to be a permanent hybrid livery?


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Notice how in this UA 747, the composite wing-body fairings have not been sanded. The new livery of this aircraft was simply painted over. You can not sand down composite parts. You have to paint over. Painting over adds to aircraft weight, which is why Boeing won't do it.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

I could have sworn ET was supposed to get their's before those airlines. Their CEO even said so.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 22):
Notice how in this UA 747, the composite wing-body fairings have not been sanded. The new livery of this aircraft was simply painted over. You can not sand down composite parts. You have to paint over. Painting over adds to aircraft weight, which is why Boeing won't do it.

You do not sand the paint off any aircraft. Old paint is removed by chemicals. Paint has been removed from composit parts before, it is not a big problem. But, Boeing does not want to do that for the B-787 flight test airplanes.


25 AF022 : I also remember hearing that ET would get the 787 after only ANA. Has this changed?
26 AirNZ : Out of curiosity, if they can't be repainted how they are painted in the first place then?
27 Post contains images PM : We might also, at a pinch, add the 777-300... It is a curious fact that no Boeing widebody has ever made its maiden flight on GE. PW can claim the 74
28 Carpethead : So in other worlds, like the 777 program, there will be no company prototype hanging around for years.
29 Sammyk : Well, he said "repainted". That is the key word. You can obviously paint them initially. (BTW, I don't believe it can't be repainted, just explaining
30 Post contains images CBPhoto : I see what you mean, so those parts of the aircraft will get re-painted, not necessarily stripped of paint? So it can be repainted??? Ok, now I am co
31 AirNZ : Ah cheers! I guess what I was meaning was that if they can't be repainted, how can they be painted originally (if you see what I mean)?
32 UAL747-600 : Does anyone know when the second flight model will be built and join the first in flight testing? UAL747-600
33 474218 : An aircraft's rudder is a balanced flight control it has a maximum weight. They can only be painted over a specific number of times before they must
34 Ikramerica : Test frames don't just immediately get handed over to customers once the plane is certified. They go through a refurb process of 2-3 months, dependin
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