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Strange Jetbridge @ PHL  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Take a look at this : http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...pn=0.000982,0.001808&t=k&z=19&om=1.

What is this gate used for?

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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

I am just guessing but could it be for prisoner transfer? Would the Justice Flights need a jetway at PHL, is there enough traffic to warrant one?

User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

If you're asking about the length and layout of the jetbridge, there are a few others I've seen that are similar.

One is in Harrisburg, PA:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....761177&spn=0.002332,0.005847&z=18

Another is in Tampa, FL:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....538002&spn=0.001348,0.002924&z=19


I know the building you mapped in PHL is used for charter flights, including military transport charters to Iraq, etc.



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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Thats the old overseas terminal. Hasnt been in regular use in a VERY LONG TIME. Now its just used mainly for charters. I Dont believe the entire terminal ever had jetways, but this one was put on later to facilitate easier boarding. Sometimes you'll see planes over there bringing in sports teams and the like.


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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Perhaps this is a remnant of the old international terminal at PHL? As I recall the old facility did look something like this, though I might be getting mixed up with some other location.

Nowadays, could this gate be used for special charter flights?

UA used to have a pair of jetways for non-revenue use at their massive IND maintenance facility. Looked kind of strange, as if it were some kind of unit terminal pretty far removed from the rest of the airport. Haven't been back in about ten years, but last time I checked they were still installed.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...pn=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

Looks like the old PHL overseas terminal is going to be torn down to make way for 1800+ parking spaces. Thanks for all the quick replies!


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...n=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck. You'd be doing multiple trips with the truck (as it could only hold so much).

With the jetbridges it provides the MX crews with all-weather access to the aircraft. It also allows easy access for equipment.


User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

It's also easier to make a super long jetbridge that build a new permanent structure if you ever decide to squueze in an extra gate. The briidge has to be on the port side of the aircraft. If you decide you want to stick an aircraft at the very end, beyond the end of the terminal, you have to get teh jet bridge over there somehow.


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User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...n=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

They had took it apart since new owner bought that building, UAL does not use it anymore due to bankrupt.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 7037 times:
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Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
What is this gate used for?

As others have said, it's the old OT. The gate only served one purpose, which was to offload inbound passengers going through customs and immigration to prevent the risk of someone walking off the tarmac bypassing customs which happened several times, hence the reason it was installed, in 1985 IIRC. When you walked off the aircraft, the jetway went straight to Customs/immigration. Inbound aircraft such as a BA747 or Tristar form LHR would unload passngers terminating in PHL through the jetway, and then it would continue on to PIT leaving the gate empty for the next flight which was usually SR from ZRH. It closed to regular ops in March 1991



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 6894 times:

This boarding bridges allow air operations to maximize the space for parking without extending the building.

User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Changing topic slightly: At PHL, how much use (and by whom) does 5000 ft. long (1524 m) runway 8/26 get? Or, for that matter, do any of the majors ever use 17/35? Seems kind of short for mainline use unless there's a b*tchin' crosswind!  Wink


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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2634 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 11):

When 8/26 was built, it was used mainly by turbo-props, and I think I only remember one time an RJ landing on it. 17/35 was always the main commuter runway used when going into PHL. The RJ's also use 17/35 quite a bit. I've heard rumors of a mainline aircraft using 17/35 a few times, but have never seen it personally. I use to love the 17/35 approach over the Delaware, especially when you have a boat going underneath you.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

Seems like a rather dingy building for use as a international gateway - especially having been used up to 1991. Anyway, just east of runway 8/26, the USS America (CV 66) is berthed at Philadelphia Navy Yard - that ship has since been sunk by the Navy - apparently the subject of secret weapons testing to see how much damage your average super carrier can take. She now is at the bottom of the Atlantic no doubt serving as an artificial reef.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...=0.011246,0.017681&z=16&iwloc=addr


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 13):
Anyway, just east of runway 8/26, the USS America (CV 66) is berthed at Philadelphia Navy Yard - that ship has since been sunk by the Navy -

The Kennedy (CV67) is due to take that slot in the next week or so. It'll be a good test to see how often Google updates their service.


User currently offlineSammyb From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck. You'd be doing multiple trips with the truck (as it could only hold so much).

With the jetbridges it provides the MX crews with all-weather access to the aircraft. It also allows easy access for equipment.

There is also a jet bridge connected to a maintenance facility at Cardiff, UK. I think it is used for fitting out interiors of BA aircraft. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....346195&spn=0.000746,0.001808&z=19


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Wow didn't realize how thinned out the moth balled fleet at the Navy yard has become

Pathetic that only 1 gate in the entire A-west building is being used and yet B and C looked relatively packed


User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
It'll be a good test to see how often Google updates their service.

You'll probably be waiting a while... Google Earth (which uses the same image database as Google Maps) shows DEN's 16R/34L under EARLY construction. How long has that runway been finished now? 2, 3, or 4 years?



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User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck.

That's how we do it in the hangar here (forklift). When we have to do re-config's for A300 we know it's going to take up half the shift. Forklift (with a special pallet on it) takes 4 seat assemblies. Could probably do 8 at a time but that would entail loading seats upside down.

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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 16):
Pathetic that only 1 gate in the entire A-west building is being used and yet B and C looked relatively packed

Same situation at most large internatonal airports in the U.S.. Depends on the time of day and how the international Banks are scheduled. It would be a nightmare swapping domestic flights in and out of the international gates and compensating for late arrivals/departures, especially if A gates were blocked when wide bodies arrived. US does occasionally (carefully) schedule domestic flights out of A-West.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 11):
At PHL, how much use (and by whom) does 5000 ft. long (1524 m) runway 8/26 get?

Last month, my PHL-GSO flight on an Air Wisconsin CRJ used Runway 8 for takeoff - was very surprised when we taxied to it, as I thought it was too short for RJs even. Made it off with plenty of room though; used only 3000 feet to get airborne. A Piedmont Dash 8 was behind us for takeoff on Rwy 8.


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 12):
When 8/26 was built, it was used mainly by turbo-props, and I think I only remember one time an RJ landing on it. 17/35 was always the main commuter runway used when going into PHL. The RJ's also use 17/35 quite a bit. I've heard rumors of a mainline aircraft using 17/35 a few times, but have never seen it personally. I use to love the 17/35 approach over the Delaware, especially when you have a boat going underneath you.

Once in a blue moon, WN will land a 737 on 17/35. The first time I saw it was fall of 2005. I just got off of the employee lot bus and was walking to my car, when I heard a sudden " whoosh" and looked up to see the 737 over I95. On the morning of the UPS DC-8 fiery emergency landing, US landed a 757 on it. Had to be damn near empty to pull that one off!!


User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

RJs takeoff 8 all the time. They also land 26. 8 is closed to landing and 26 is closed for takeoff. However I have gone missed off of 26.
I have seen Southwest 737, US A319 (once), and a AirTran 717 land 35.
35 is nice because there is no glideslope or PAPIs, so you can get as low as you want. They are starting construction to extend it!


User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

I'm not trying to switch the topic back again, but every so often you see Airforce 1 parked on the ramp at the old Overseas Terminal when the pres is in town. I agree, that terminal is dingy, but it was built in a very different era of air travel. The new Concourse A at PHL is absolutely gorgeous though.

Ok, back to runway talk.  Big grin


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 17):

You'll probably be waiting a while... Google Earth (which uses the same image database as Google Maps) shows DEN's 16R/34L under EARLY construction. How long has that runway been finished now? 2, 3, or 4 years?

The same evidence can be seen looking at the EWR satellite image. You can see AA F100's, UAX J41's, and CO MD80s...aircraft that have all since been retired

Quoting Vega (Reply 19):
Same situation at most large internatonal airports in the U.S.

Guess you are right. Same thing is visible at EWR. The international wing only has 2 aircraft parked there while the rest of Terminal C is busy. Just seems like such a poor use of gates.


25 USAir330 : Southwest lands a 737 on 17/35 once or two times a day. It's mostly used when a flow control in effect.
26 Jetjack74 : It was. It was a converted hanger. Construction of the A concourse was stalled for several years after it began in 1977-78(somewhere around there. Th
27 Flynavy : Where is (was) the Tower Air terminal located on JFK's Google Map?
28 Silentbob : There has been a new building in MDT for a few years now, that's an old pic.
29 Dank : For some reason, I recall something about terminal A maybe being in Chester County while the rest of the airport was in Philadelphia county which sta
30 BatonOps : That was the AA gate at the old terminal in Harrisburg (MDT) The new terminal opened in August 2004 and that jetway has been removed. It was a nice l
31 PHLJJS : Terminal A and some of the other airport property is in Tinicum Township, Delaware County. All other terminals are in Philadelphia city/ county.
32 PHLapproach : Yea too bad I still have to pay the F-in Philly and Tinicum taxes!!
33 Post contains images Dank : For some reason I had thought that Tinicum was in Chester, but I see now that I was wrong (been a while since I've been in the area and I forgot that
34 PHLwok : Landings on 26 and 17/35 are not at all uncommon - I've landed many dozens of times in RJs on 26. For US Express flights, a landing onto 26 puts you c
35 Crownvic : A little history on the Overseas Terminal, aka the "Blue Barn"...Like the rest of PHL, this is a very old facility. The structure was originally the h
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