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SU Confirms A350; Chooses RR For A330  
User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 880 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

At the Le Bourget Air Show, Aeroflot Russian Airlines confirmed their deal with Airbus for the 22 frames that will upgrade it's longhaul fleet between 2014-2017. This will push the number of Airbus aircraft in it's fleet up to 65.

Aeroflot also signed an agreement with Rolls-Royce for the servicing of engines that have been selected for their 10 leased AerCap A330's. These planes will be brand new of production lines, and will be delivered beginning next year.

Looks like SU is really going to expand big time, possibly opening up new hubs in secondary Russian markets, or perhaps gearing up for the Alitalia acquisition if it goes thru.

THINGS AEROFLOT HAS TO LOOK FOWARD TO:
1) Opening of SVO-3, a dedicated Skyteam facility at Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow that will be connected by high-speed rail, improving connectivity between the facility and Moscow.
2) New mid-range aircraft... A320 and A321 new deliveries.
3) E-ticketing, in accordance with the guidelines set by IATA.
4) Alitalia, if it goes thru
5) 10 New A330's.
6) 22 Boeing 787's.
7) 22 Airbus A350's.
8) SuperJet for domestic ops.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Surprising that SU chose RR for the A330s since they usually buy GE (including the CFM56) for their Western built fleet, but given that the A350 is so far only offered with the Trent XWB, it would make sense for commonality.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Surprising that SU chose RR for the A330s since they usually buy GE

Perhaps not all that surprising. The Trent is the market leader (by far) on the A330 while the GE CF6 is the least popular choice out of three. There's a strong case to be made that the Trent 700 is a "better" engine for the A330 than the CF6. So SU chose the better engine rather than maintain some spurious concept of loyalty to GE.

Now, what will they choose for their 787s... ?


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
The Trent is the market leader (by far) on the A330 while the GE CF6 is the least popular choice out of three.

True, but the CF6-80E1 seems to be at least closing in on PW for second A330 engine of choice (there seem to be more A330s with GE engines coming from TLS than PW4000 powered ones).

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Now, what will they choose for their 787s... ?

If they're wise, they'll choose the Trent 1000 for commonality with the Trent XWB and Trent 700.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):

True, but the CF6-80E1 seems to be at least closing in on PW for second A330 engine of choice

They were but PW have recently come back with A330 orders from Grupo Marsans, Kingfisher, TAM and Guggenheim. Moreover, they're likely to get the order for recently ordered A330s from TG and US. Plus, they're on the A330F and GE aren't.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
(there seem to be more A330s with GE engines coming from TLS than PW4000 powered ones).

That's certainly been true for the last year or two but GE's backlog is drying up.

My take on the A330 is that:
* RR cannot now lose the substantial lead they've built up;
* PW are coming back and will hold on to 2nd place;
* GE are losing interest in the programme.

When the last one rolls off the line (an A330F, I assume, a decade or more from now) I'm guessing that RR will have about 50%, PW about 30% and GE 20%. After Paris, RR are already between 45% and 50%. I don't see them losing that. They've got off to a good start on the A330F (three customers against one for PW) and they remain the most popular choice on the pax versions.

In fact, with SQ (19), Air Asia X (15) taking double digit orders to RR, SU are merely maintaining the trend.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
They were but PW have recently come back with A330 orders from Grupo Marsans, Kingfisher, TAM and Guggenheim.

IT ordered Pratt engines? That's surprising, I thought they'd order more Trent engines for commonality purposes with the A345s.


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Just a question, did SU comfirm their order for 787s ?

Along with SQ , which other airlines is likely to operate both 787 and 350 ?



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

So GE lost another 108 engines (20xA330 44xA350 and most likely also 44xB787). Protecting their investment in 773ER is turning into self inflicted sabotage.

[Edited 2007-06-24 11:20:33]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 6):
Just a question, did SU comfirm their order for 787s ?

Yes, shortly before the LeBourget show.

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 6):
Along with SQ , which other airlines is likely to operate both 787 and 350 ?

I believe several others will. The 787 orders this far were mainly for the 787-8. Those who have those might combine them with the bigger A359 and A3510.

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
So GE lost another 108 engines (20xA330 44xA350 and most likely also 44xB787). Protecting their investment in 773ER is turning into self inflicted sabotage.

Numbers are even higher, because of spare engines. Otherwise I agree. I can't understand GE, because the 777NG will be done after only ten years, the A350 will probably last 20 or so years. Why give it all to RR?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
IT ordered Pratt engines?

Indeed. It was only for five frames but it was quite a win for PW - and at Paris IT ordered ten more so we can assume they'll have PW too. Grupo Marsans (i.e. Air Comet and Aerolineas Argentinas) chose PW too. And at Paris TAM returned to PW for their next six A330s. (TAM's first batch of five had PW but then they leased five from GECAS with GE.)

In the current flood of orders for 777s, 787s, A330s and A350s these wins don't amount to much but they're the best news PW have had since they failed to get aboard the 787.


User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
I can't understand GE, because the 777NG will be done after only ten years, the A350 will probably last 20 or so years. Why give it all to RR?

Maybe because they are not sure that A350 will last 20 years. And I tend to think the same thing, too...


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

Quoting Hjulicher (Thread starter):
4) Alitalia, if it goes thru

The latest news were that SU had pulled out of the purchase race.
The latest latest are that they are still on:
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnp...lish/news/2007-06-18_11890626.html


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 10):
Maybe because they are not sure that A350 will last 20 years. And I tend to think the same thing, too...

Why, what is going to happen to it from 2013 to 2033?


User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
So GE lost another 108 engines (20xA330 44xA350 and most likely also 44xB787). Protecting their investment in 773ER is turning into self inflicted sabotage.

I think that the lack of interest that GE showed regarding their involvement to the A350EWB project is going to cost them more and more sales the years to come.
Any way , GE took the decision to be on the same boat with Boeing letting the field open to competitors , time will show if this was a smart move.

Rgds
A3



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 6):
Just a question, did SU comfirm their order for 787s ?



Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
Yes, shortly before the LeBourget show.

No, they didn't. Boeing updated their ordersheet during the Airshow but did not add Aeroflot.



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User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
Why, what is going to happen to it from 2013 to 2033?

Y3


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
So GE lost another 108 engines (20xA330 44xA350 and most likely also 44xB787). Protecting their investment in 773ER is turning into self inflicted sabotage.

More like 216 + about 20 spares!



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User currently offlineIL62M From Russia, joined May 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 6):
Just a question, did SU comfirm their order for 787s ?



Quoting Manni (Reply 14):
No, they didn't. Boeing updated their ordersheet during the Airshow but did not add Aeroflot.

There is a simple explanation of this... The board of Directors meeting with the question of approving the deal with Boeing on 22x 787s is still to come in July. Doubt that this will turn otherwise than approval of the deal )))
And the situation is quite stupid for a "normal" man (not for a lawyer though): Aeroflot cannot state that it is really going to buy 787s and sign the contract when everyone knows it will be done, and Boeing cannot add Aeroflot on their order list 'cos of SEC and so on...


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

I must admit to being confused here, was totally unaware that the GE engines used on the B773ER were also requested by Airbus to power the A330. Now I am aware that GE has so far refused to make an engine for the A350XWB, how that affected the A330 was unknown to me, always thought they were making engines for the B787 and B748i.
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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting IL62M (Reply 17):
Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 6):
Just a question, did SU comfirm their order for 787s ?



Quoting Manni (Reply 14):
No, they didn't. Boeing updated their ordersheet during the Airshow but did not add Aeroflot.

There is a simple explanation of this... The board of Directors meeting with the question of approving the deal with Boeing on 22x 787s is still to come in July

Why is it taking so long?


User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 18):
I must admit to being confused here, was totally unaware that the GE engines used on the B773ER were also requested by Airbus to power the A330.

The GE engines used on the B773ER and the A330 are different. The B773ER uses the GE90-115B, whilst the A330 uses the GE CF6-80E series of engine. I believe that the engine GE will be making for the B787 and B748, and could be making for the A350 will be versions of the GEnx series of engine.

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineIL62M From Russia, joined May 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
Why is it taking so long?

Because of Russian legislation rules ))))


User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

A Question to the Russian members of the forum:

What do you think of SU of fyling either to IAH or DFW? Will it work?
Both Houston and Dallas have fairly sizeable russian population. Will Texas to Moscow succeed?

I'm only asking this because ATL-SVO is pretty successful, and a lot of their traffic connects to other US cities through ATL.

Texas is thriving economically, and I think that would make sense instead of returning to Seatte for example



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User currently offlineIL62M From Russia, joined May 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Dallasnewark,
As far as i know SU has flights to LAX, JFK, ATL and IAD (take a look at their web site). Not sure if SU takes it all by himself. Probably some of those are codeshared with Delta, probably not ( well i'm not working in Aeroflot - just a beginner-spotter  Smile ). Probably it's best for SU (for now) to have Sky Team to help to deliver people to those airports from where SU can deliver them to Moscow.
I think one of the reasons for SU to buy 44 long-hauls - is to expand it's position in the USA and American region (South and North i mean).
Maybe there is someone who has more information on that.
Hope i helped you somehow.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8549 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
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I can't wait to see the 332 in SU colours, she is a sharp looking plane, those SU colours will be just stunning on her!


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25 Aeroflot777 : SU currently flies to LAX, JFK and IAD in the US. They used to have a very reasonable operation in the Americas but pulled out of many cities during
26 Hjulicher : I see SU beginning its expansion to Skyteam hubs where it can pick up passengers from other cities connecting at one facility. If SU were to start ser
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