Once SQ has three birds and trained/familiarized crews to operate them, they will start SYD-SIN-LHR and then SYD-HKG-LHR service, replacing all their 744s on those routes. Then they will start replacing their 744s on the SIN-HKG-SFO and probably SIN-ICN-SFO services, as well as SIN-NRT-LAX. Not sure how FRA-SIN is in terms of loads, but JFK-FRA is often empty in First when I fly, so SIN-FRA-JFK may become a 77W route or we may see an A380 on it, as well.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28458 posts, RR: 84 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7597 times:
Everything I have read continues to state that SQ will receive MSN003 in October of 2007.
Boeing says the 787 remains on schedule for a May 2008 delivery to NH. Rumor and innuendo says Boeing may miss this date because they believe Boeing is up to four months behind their initial program milestones towards EIS.
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7567 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6): Boeing says the 787 remains on schedule for a May 2008 delivery to NH. Rumor and innuendo says Boeing may miss this date because they believe Boeing is up to four months behind their initial program milestones towards
1) Can you share with us some source of theses rumors ?? Could this be a preventive shot for the case that the
MSN3 got a further delay.?
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 5): A similar type of reporting as done by A-netters for the B787 would be welcome !!
2) By the way, you misunderstood me. I didn't mean a report regarding the B787, but that te A380 progress should be presented with much detail (or at least some of it) as it is be done for the B787.
The main question: how is the certification going ??
December 2007/January 2008, most likely, since they will need some time to acclimate themselves to it once they take delivery in October 2007 before they start revenue passenger service.
Some comments said that SQ wanted to take advantage of the Years end traffic, which coincides with you above estimation
Quoting FlyMD (Reply 8): Is it possible to book now on SQ A380 services. I looked on the SQ website for SIN-SYD and SIN-LHR flights from December through March and cannot find any A380 flights.
Factually I looked until the max. available End June 2008 and all I see are are B774 and B777. This includes HK and Tokyo.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 9): Can you share with us some source of theses rumors?
Just check the titles of the threads in this forum the past few weeks
You do not refer to the emphatically denied delay because of fitting of parts ?? Boeing would be crazy to deny this if there were some truth in it.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 9): Probably slow, since there isn't a complete plane to do any real certification testing on. The parts for the static test frames are inbound at the moment
It was said that the plane is nearly ready today, so that testing could begin very soon. Can somebody indicate if the MSN can already fly as it is today ?? If not, when ?? I assume that many test can only be made after that ??
Why Airbus is not allowing somebody similar to the very efficient friend SEACHAZ, who informs us step by step of the progress of
the B787 to give at least some info ?? Because If this does not become available
* what you say of the slow progress of the certification
* the really strange absence of reference to the A380 (and MSN3) -not even a short comment- in the Booking page of ^^SQ (except a photo, stating that is it already painted and that they will follow up !!!)
* the somewhat complicated justification of the wiring of the units until MSN25, obviously a very sensible issue.
* the also unusual statement of EK that after pressuring for any possible acceleration of delivery they are now ^^not willing to receive their first units in January or February, if then ready, but request to made their own tests until ^^fall 2008 first
* the past comment of a high level Airbus manager that the existing labor unrest could induce delays.
it will be unavoidable that comments will arise that a new problem seems to be arisen, this being not based on rumors but on above factual statements. To be secretive in such situation can be deadly!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28458 posts, RR: 84 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7242 times:
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10): You do not refer to the emphatically denied delay because of fitting of parts ?? Boeing would be crazy to deny this if there were some truth in it.
None of these news reports and analysis offer itemized specifics why Boeing is up to four months behind schedule, just that they are. *shrug*
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10): It was said that the plane is nearly ready today, so that testing could begin very soon. Can somebody indicate if the MSN can already fly as it is today ?? If not, when ?? I assume that many test can only be made after that ??
Well the first plane is still missing a chunk of her internal wiring, which will be added after the formal roll-out ceremony, so I do not believe she is ready to certify much outside her physical dimensions, maybe.
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7153 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): Well the first plane is still missing a chunk of her internal wiring, which will be added after the formal roll-out ceremony, so I do not believe she is ready to certify much outside her physical dimensions, maybe
Just to avoid misunderstandings; You are speaking of the A380 MSN3 ??
A couple of weeks ago i read an interview where SQ's COO said that ZRH is indeed on the list of proposed A380 destinations. I can hardly believe that though and don't think we'll see an SQ A380 here anytime soon. He also said that they're planning to go twice daily to ZRH soon. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
However if you want to see an A380 at ZRH, i know for a fact that EK is planning to bring the A380 to ZRH once daily in favor of the current twice daily A345/A332/A343 mix. Pretty sure that they won't be able to fill it, but seeing as EK's strategy is basically just throw as much overcapacity on the market as possible, I'm pretty confident that we will see their A380s here sooner or later.
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6938 times:
As I want to be very accurate with my statements, after hearing some comments I reedit my Reply 10 and add the assovcated questions regarding the A380 MSN3
1) The final certificaction process is progressing only slowly
Q) Why, if true ?
2) The SQ Internet site section for Bookings up to End June 2008 list all available flights from SIN to SYD, HK, LHR, Tokyo, etc. either with B774 or 777 (some A340), none with A380. The A380 is only referred by a photo, stating it isalready painted and that they will follow up.
Q) Explanation, especially because a short time before it was stated that they insisit on the delivery in October 07
in order to use it for flights to Sydney in the coming years end season.
3) Airbus has supplied an explanation, which some consider confuse, regarding the different wiring procedure for the units up to MSN 25
Q) Assuming the wiring is already complete, are the certifiable drawing and details already available and if not, when?
4) EK has stated that they will not receive their frames before fall 2008, even if the first of them could be ready by Jan/Feb., as they want to use the interval for trining and tests, this being strange given their previous urgency.
Q) Could eventually the booking facts shown in 2, mean that SQ will proceed similarly ??
5) A Airbus manager responsible for manufacturing stated a few weeks ago that the existing labor unrest could result in general delivery delays
Q) which is the today's situation ??
Q) Which are the tentative dates for MSN3 for fully asembling, first fully equipped flight, fina;l certification and delivery to cutomer date ?
When responding please mention the source of the information
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6723 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16): Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
5) A Airbus manager responsible for manufacturing stated a few weeks ago that the existing labor unrest could result in general delivery delays
quote=SandroZRH,reply=16]Why dont you start and tell us where you read this:
Extracts of the FlugRevue July in English and questions. Possibly this article is confuse because of bad translation. I would appreciate if I could see the German text. I am not able to find the Flug Revue July in German on Internet
1) The giant bird had left its paint hangar to be towed to the hangar for internal cabin furnishing, albeit without its Trent engines. This was one reason why Airbus had ruled out the possibility of including this particular aircraft in the pair to be taken to the Paris Air Show. A second reason why it cannot be spared at the moment is that prior to handover to the customer this A380, the first with the upgraded cable harnesses, is to be used for the certification programme and the final production go-ahead
?) The internal cabin furnishing will be initiated now. The Engines are not installed. This, aside seeming to contradict the statement below that the cabin is installed, would mean that the wiring cannot have been completed, because such includes the cockpit, the Engines and all the cabin extern part.
2) The cabin is installed, the paintwork was finished at the beginning of May and now we have the certification test. We are sorting out a lot of minor teething problems and we are updating the software to the latest release. First we will test the specific SIA cabin configuration, and then the validation and certification work will take another few weeks.
?) And now we have the certification test? But as said in the followed phrase, this work cannot be initiated before the specific SIA cabin configuration test.
3).A transnational team is meanwhile transcribing the digital mock-up, i.e. the central electronic assembly plan for the A380, for fuselage sections 13 and 18 into the now standard new software version.
?) It should be clarified how the wiring and control circuits were installed without having available the new software and more so, it cannot be tested without the mentioned update (when ??)
4) First we will deliver the A380-800, and in as mature a condition as possible, and then we will ask the airlines what they want
?) If the MSN3 is to be delivered to SIA in October, it must be in the definitive form. Therefore it is not understandable what the phrase "in as mature condition as possible" means. That the final version will be executed in Singapore ??. To be honest I am baffled by this !
Sorry for the stupid newbie question, but: what is the meaning of "up front business"?
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14): However if you want to see an A380 at ZRH, i know for a fact that EK is planning to bring the A380 to ZRH once daily in favor of the current twice daily A345/A332/A343 mix.
Very nice, thanks for the info... I'm very much looking forward to see an EK A380 here. I might even become slighty weird(er) yet and start some planespotting of my own (I wonder if EK will keep the very bold Emirates sign at the bottom of the A380).
ZHR DXB SYD BKK DXB ZRH, all on EK A380... Yay!
25 MadameConcorde: For those who want to be on the inaugural flight, this is what's posted on SQTalk so I guess tha inaugural flight won't be just everybody's flight. ht
26 TreeHillRavens: Sorry, i meant First & Business Class. I mean SQ is targeting at First & Business Class passengers. Another reason that the 77W is deployed on the SI
27 Zvezda: EIS should be about one month after first delivery. I expect EIS to probably be in November. SYD-SIN-LHR should start about February. SQ will definit
28 Philzh: Ah, OK, thank you for the clarification. I guess ZRH is one of those places where airlines can and do get quite a lot of premium pax traffic. When on
29 SandroZRH: They didn't introduce the 773ER to downgrade their service, but much more to offer a better premium classes product. Also, they "downgraded" to 773 w
30 Zvezda: I didn't write "downgrade." I wrote "downgauge."
31 Aussie747: you will most lilkely not find A380 in any res system until the aircraft at least has certificattion. Only then can SQ timetable the aircraft into its
32 SandroZRH: In the end you meant about the same. Do you have anyhting else to add?
33 Zvezda: Rubbish. I've flown SQ's 777-300ERs in both F and C. They are most certainly not a downgrade from SQ's 747-400 service. Downgauge has a very well und
34 Gemuser: The aircraft was certified by both EASA & FAA in Dec 06! SQ can operate it as soon as Airbus can deliver them an aircraft that they can certify meets
35 SandroZRH: Alright, sir. I'll rephrase: They didn't downgage their service, a sthats actually what i meant. Now read my answers above, and you might find out wh
36 Zvezda: SQ did in fact downgauge their ZRH service from the 747-400 to the smaller 777-300ER in January 2007. Sour grapes.
37 Stitch: Going from a 375-seat 744 to a 278-seat 77W is a downguage in service in terms of the number of seats flown. It is also an upgrade in service in term
38 SandroZRH: Ah no shit? I would know as i see it fly over my house each day. But if you had read my previous posts, i did mention that they're preparing to go tw
39 Philzh: So what you mean is either that SQs F class is not worth its price, or that their J class is so good that there's no need for F? Oh, and you must be
40 Boston92: It was not just to please me... I bet you I would need my toes as well as hands to count how many misunderstandings/confused people (including me) ha
41 Aminobwana: Understood. No problem cordially aminobwana
42 Ikramerica: Do they expect a "soft EIS" where they sub the jet onto existing routes for training before scheduling it on a daily route? I heard LH would be doing
43 Zvezda: No. The plan is to spend about a month training the crews and then start daily service SIN-SYD-SIN.
44 SandroZRH: Oh really? Yes i did missunderstand him at first, but that has long cleared up, however you still dont seem understand what SQ really intends to do a
45 Philzh: Ah, of course, apologies... I was thinking of the incoming plane, having been trained by the media to only have the "Südschneisers" in mind. Apologi
46 Trent900: All wiring has been fixed and the cabin has been installed. Just because the engines have been removed doesnt mean the rest of the aircraft is incomp
47 Aminobwana: The article does not say that ALL wiring was fixed and installed, only refers to the "cabin" installation. Neither it says that the engines were alre
48 RayChuang: I'm going to guess that SQ will fly the A380-800 on the SQ 001/002 route (SIN-HKG-SFO) probably starting early fall 2008. Whether that will beat QF fl
49 Stitch: Because the cabin wiring was what needed to be fixed. The rest of the wiring was fine since it would be a little hard for MSN003 to make all the flig
50 Zvezda: SQ have already announced that that is not their plan. The first tranche will be used to upgauge all three daily flights to LHR and SYD. In the unlik
51 Elvis777: Howdy Sandro, Let me see if I can make you understand. Open forum, all allowed to talk about stuff. If you direct an answer to a specific member it is
52 Stitch: Didn't SIN-CDG go to the 77W? Is the plan to use the 77W to let SQ passengers get used to the new cabin and then start running the A380 (which will ha
53 Zvezda: SQ switched CDG service from the 747-400 to the 777-300ER reportedly followed by an increase in frequency from 7x weekly to 10x weekly. Switching fro
54 Helvknight: One other fact is that when SQ used the 744 on the SIN-ZRH route they continued on to MAN and used the 744. They cut the ZRH - MAN sector when they d
55 Zvezda: Splitting what was one 747-400 serving both ZRH and MAN to one 777-200ER serving MAN and one 777-300ER serving ZRH is a large increase in capacity. T
56 Ikramerica: E- He just has a horrible attitude. Can't do anything about that. That's a moderator thing. He kept misunderstanding, but instead of admitting it, he
57 WingedMigrator: None of the SQ birds have flown more than a handful of hours... a shakedown flight or two, and a ferry to XFW.
58 Aminobwana: You must realize that wiring of a complicated unity is a interrelated issue which makes the software so difficult and can lead to jumbo(!) -size prob
59 Stitch: Airbus has consistently said the wiring problem is only with the customer-supplied systems like IFE and seat power. If you don't want to believe them
60 Aminobwana: Sorry: As Airbus itself stated, this is or was a software problem. There is only one software, surly not a separate for seat power or IFE. And lot of
61 Stitch: That's news to me. I have not heard any reports of Airbus having issues with the software on the A380, just the software used to design it. Right bac
62 Aminobwana: Design software coordination it is !! Still a software issue and not an unimportant one, !! I have not even thought of any sinister motive !! But if
63 WingedMigrator: Is this one of those self-perpetuating a.net rumors? I have seen no references to support this claim, and official presentations describe the problem
64 Jimyvr: At least SIN-NRT will be getting SQ A380 service 1 month earlier than planned in 2008.
65 Zvezda: Yes, it's a false A.net rumor germinated in Airbus blaming the customers for the wiring delays.
66 Stitch: Hey, I only know what Airbus tells me, and Airbus has consistently said in their public statements to the press that it was customer wiring that was
67 N14AZ: I was in Hamburg this weekend and was a lucky dog when my wife agreed to make a short break in XFW. I saw MSN 003 standing outside the hangar. Four en
68 Aminobwana: I had no doubt that the engines would be installed, must be happened in the last few days, as Stitch told us they were not before the Le Bourget show
69 Stitch: For the record, sir, you were the one who first brought up that the engines were not installed. Please refer to the following statement (emphasis min
70 Aminobwana: STITCH I must ask you to withdraw this statement. You, Sir, posted in your previous reply 21 the Flug Revue article I commented in my Reply 22, where
71 Stitch: Well then let's both complain to Flug Revue.