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AA 787 Routes.  
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13832 times:

When AA finally does get the 787, what routes are going to be intruduced/replaced with this aircraft?

I think these would be good routes for AA with the 787:

MIA-NRT
DFW-AKL,DFW-AKL-SYD (There was talk of QF doing this.)
DFW-HKG
ORD-HKG
ORD-BOM
JFK-BOM
JFK-DEL

And of course "IF'' they get China slots, They would be put on those routes.

What about the versions of the plane? Will AA opt for just one type? We have all heard of a large announcement coming, and we have also heard of not ordering anything until contract negotiations are finalized. Time will tell.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13809 times:

Wouldn't AA use the 787 domestically at all, at least on hub routes, or LAX-MIA or something? Or even to replace the 762s on LAX-JFK?  duck 


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13754 times:

Im sure they would on routes like JFK-LAX where low yields make inproved economics very important.


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User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13634 times:

What makes you think they're going to get the 787 and not the A350?

...

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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13615 times:

This is a first, speculating the implications of something only speculated in the first place.

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13582 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 4):
This is a first, speculating the implications of something only speculated in the first place.

You are so right, but you are wrong that it has not happened before. And guess what? It is pretty much a sure bet that AA will get the 787, so it is not a far fetched speculation like others have done here in the past.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13530 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 4):

This is a first, speculating the implications of something only speculated in the first place.

Why are you surprised? This is A.net!  Wink



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
JFK-BOM
JFK-DEL

Not sure about those routes given they'll have competition from:

Delta
Continental
Jet
Air India

Add AA and it's 5 airlines...



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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13361 times:

Yeah! Let's speculate, never happens on a.net. Many of the initial routes the thread starter mentioned sound good on paper, but how many of those would pass the muster of the APA? Very few that I can see. Until they get a contract that allows them to fly ultra-long range nonstops, I think guessing about where they will fly any aircraft they haven't even ordered is premature, even by a.nutter standards. They sure won't buy them just to fly JFK-LAX.

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16877 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13309 times:

Like DL, when AA starts acquiring 787s (whenever that is) they will first and foremost address their ageing 767s (and A300s).


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7305 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13221 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
MIA-NRT
DFW-AKL,DFW-AKL-SYD (There was talk of QF doing this.)
DFW-HKG
ORD-HKG
ORD-BOM
JFK-BOM
JFK-DEL

I like all of these. The India routes are debatable. I could see ORD-FRA-BOM or ORD-FRA-DEL.

I also like, ORD-ICN or DFW-ICN.


Hope to hear something on the 787 from AA late this summer.
 airplane 


User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12914 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
Im sure they would on routes like JFK-LAX where low yields make inproved economics very important.

A couple of items to consider, IF AA is the first to deploy (probably CO) on transcon routs, it would be a prestige thing for a while. Maybe one or 2 of the round trips would be it. You know, much "greener" than a 767..might sell well in SFO and LAX..

Other than the speculated Asian routes, they will almost certainly deploy some initially to replace the A-300's on routes to Latin America. The payload economics as a part of the heavy cargo business makes this a logical choice.

So, since we are speculating..I speculate an initial order of 60 or so frames and 60-75 options for starters.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5682 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
DFW-AKL,DFW-AKL-SYD (There was talk of QF doing this.)

Not a chance in hell that you will see AA metal/plastic in the South Pacific! The only reason QF have not commenced SYD-DFW is that the right plane is not available, IF the B787 is that plane then QF, (who will take delivery loooooong before AA, who haven't even ordered it yet), will have already started the service. If the B787 is not the plane then maybe the A380 will be, in which case QF will still be on the route first.

As much as we on A.net might wish it, it is very unlikely that AA will ever return to this part of the world with their own metal/plastic. As I understand it their code shares with QF, which are very extensive, are very profitable for them considering AA do not have to invest anything and introducing their own metal/plastic would result in less profit for them!


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12779 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
ORD-BOM

That would certainly be one possible route..

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):

DFW-AKL,DFW-AKL-SYD (There was talk of QF doing this.)

..this will be left for QF, especially given the amount of B787's which will be in the QF fleet...

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
ORD-HKG

I look to see CX and/or O8 (Oasis Hong Kong) start this route before AA...

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
I like all of these. The India routes are debatable. I could see ORD-FRA-BOM or ORD-FRA-DEL.

..I'll disagree with you there mate...I think AA would go ORD-BOM...

Their ORD-DEL flight is doing quite well, so obviously pax do prefer the nonstop service...personally, I plan on taking this flight sometime next year.. biggrin 

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
I also like, ORD-ICN or DFW-ICN.

..that has a good shot..

My routes I would like to see..

ORD-NGO (even with the Toyota contract loss to UA, the route was still profitable, but AA needed the B777 for other routes, as the yields weren't the best)

ORD-BOM -as mentioned above and I think would be one of the first majour long-haul route to be named..

SJC-NRT (Stitch did some great "number crunching" previously, and it turned out they needed around 30 pax/day for the route to be profitable), running a smaller B787 with better economics than the B777 might do the job)..

SJC-TPE -even though the route wasn't profitable its first year (thanks MAH4546 for the info), it was doing quite well.....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12750 times:

I would add:

MIA-JNB
MIA-DXB
ORD-DXB
DFW-DXB
LAX-GRU (based on the economics of the plane)


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12514 times:

how about things from SAN such as GRU or LGW


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User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12437 times:

As have been mentioned, the 787 will (i.) fly opportunities to expand service to market pairs where it meets range and economic considerations (fuel burn, payload) that cannot now be met with current equipment, and (ii.) replace current equipment on select segments that make sense, such as many current 767 operated market pairs.

A very real question will be if, or the extent to which the company deploys the 787 for point-to-point market pairs that do not fit the current hub system. At least initial utilization might logically be on certain current high profile routes such as JFK-NRT, ORD-DEL, LAX-LHR or MIA-EZE. However, these might exist as to balance or support new, long range pairs such as have been mentioned by others, MIA-NRT, MIA-JNB, ORD-BOM or DFW-HKG.

I doubt that non-hub point-to-point service would occur at least for a while but the risk might be taken. That is doubtful given the history and ongoing philosophy of current management. I suspect the thought that QFA would retain all USA-South Pacific oneworld services is quite valid, although AAL might pitch hard for DFW-SYD. AAL will not do anything to alienate or foul up the profitable relationship with QFA, however. The same is true with JAL. There is also, of course, CPA to consider in any oneworld decisions.

Given that at least both QFA and JAL will be 787 customers, I suspect there will be a lot of planning and negotiation within oneworld about re-aligning their combined Pacific operations and arrangements in light of the ability of the 787 to open new markets. For example, will NRT-MIA be AAL or JAL? AAL makes sense; JAL could make a good case.

Yes, this is speculation about speculation but that is part of the fun of A-Net. Perhaps the oneworld big shots are reading our recommendations!


User currently offlineEbs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

They could probably use them on some of their Caribbean routes to replace the A300's


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12383 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
Wouldn't AA use the 787 domestically at all, at least on hub routes, or LAX-MIA or something? Or even to replace the 762s on LAX-JFK?



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
Im sure they would on routes like JFK-LAX where low yields make inproved economics very important.

I thought the JFK transcons were somewhat high yielding?

I would think the 787s could free up the 777s and 763ers to some of the dormant old TWA authorities? Maybe ORD-CAI or ORD-ATH?



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12353 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 15):

how about things from SAN such as GRU or LGW

It'd be nice, but unlikely... If any London route restarted, it would be unlikely to be AA. More likely BA or VS.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12313 times:

Initially, I see the 763's replacing the aging 762's as AA's domestic widebody on the JFK-SFO/LAX/SAN routes. I suspect we will see 763's on the LAX-MIA routes as well.


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User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

FIRST of all AA has to ORDER the 787 which is still 2-3 years off, then delivery another 2-3 years beyond that. So dont hold your breath for AA 787's will 2011-2012 at the earliest. Then the #1 priority will be to replace 767-200s and A300s. So I highly doubt you will see a DFW DXB route anytime soon.

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12113 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
Im sure they would on routes like JFK-LAX where low yields make inproved economics very important.

I would tend to agree.........esp with the fuel conservation that the 787 would seem to offer. This, not only that, could be used as tag on to continue to high density destinations from LAX (HNL, similar).



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12052 times:

Nowhere to nowhere...first, they have to order the 787...the Paris Air Show rumor never came to fruition. AA will have a very challenging next 2 to 4yrs w/labor. All its unions are bitter about the paycuts and the bonuses....I guess we will see labor turmoil before a 787 in AA colors. Sad but true! Gerard Arpey (CEO), better fasten his seat-belt for an extremely bumpy ride.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11838 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 21):
FIRST of all AA has to ORDER the 787 which is still 2-3 years off



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 23):
Nowhere to nowhere...first, they have to order the 787...the Paris Air Show rumor never came to fruition. AA will have a very challenging next 2 to 4yrs w/labor. All its unions are bitter about the paycuts and the bonuses....I guess we will see labor turmoil before a 787 in AA colors. Sad but true! Gerard Arpey (CEO), better fasten his seat-belt for an extremely bumpy ride.

 checkmark ..

...get into bankruptcy now, renegotiate those pilot and f/a contracts, terminate their pensions, and be out leaner and stronger in 18 months - ready to order a huge amounts of B787s  stirthepot 



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25 Mk777 : AA could add flights to DEL or BOM, but i always wonder if slots would be available. DEL isn't getting a new terminal till 2010, i have no idea about
26 HighFlyer9790 : i think we'll see them on more of the old 767 european routes. what about from BOS?
27 Rdukid : I think what will happen is AA will move their 763's to A300 routes and the 787 will take over the some of the current 763 and 762 routes. I believe t
28 Post contains images Zoom530 : TRANSCON LATIN AMERICA HAWAII OVER THE POND 762's won't be around forever
29 Bobnwa : The only place that rumor has been heard is on this board, and those are only re-circulating the original rumor which had no basis to begin with.
30 Post contains images AA767400 : I big to differ, the rumor has been around not just on this board, but many other websites. Basis? It does not take much to know that AA will order t
31 Post contains links OB1504 : This: http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/aa587/4.jpg Agreed. As another poster stated, the 787-3 would be a perfect replacement for the A300s that fly
32 KSYR : What about RDU-LGW to replace the 777 that currently flies the route?
33 Atrude777 : I don't know how effective this would be, but I would not be surprised to see the 787 fly one or two intl flights out of STL, perhaps to LGW and maybe
34 Bobnwa : I am speaking of the rumors that give the date and the number of orders by AA which appear on this website weekly with zero proof. These same rumors
35 Rdukid : Great idea!
36 AA767400 : No inside info here. Just speculating on where AA would put their 787s on. And hey, if you don't like something then don't read it. I do the same wit
37 ChrisNH : Not even a mention of Boston-Tokyo...from an airline that actually had the route open for sale with the MD-11 years ago and then pulled the plug befor
38 AAL0616 : BOS-NRT is in fact a strong possibility, if not an "inside favorite," in the event what are considered point-to-point routes are introduced.
39 Post contains images FXramper : Welcome back to Anet Mr Trude! I could definitely see STL-LHR for AA on 787!
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