Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2892 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Perhaps I missed something, but isn't F9 way overdue for announcing the Lynx routes? I know there was speculation on a couple of cities discussed (based on advertised jobs or clues found in F9's Route Map), but I haven't seen a for-sure list, yet, and there's no press release that I could find.
CarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 161 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
You wouldn't think so. I remember when they first applied and there were cities on the list that boggled the mind. The one that comes to mind is Greer, SC. I think that was it. That is way over the 650-700 mile range.
CarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 161 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 5): city on the RFP in South Carolina that I remember was GSP
Thats right. I just remember Greer for some reason. Looking at Greer on mapquest, right smack in the middle of Greenville- Spartanville. Also, maybe this has been posted already, but I am hearing that a little lynx will be the first animal on the tail. Very appropriate.
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2283 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
Quoting CarsAir04 (Reply 6): Thats right. I just remember Greer for some reason. Looking at Greer on mapquest, right smack in the middle of Greenville- Spartanville. Also, maybe this has been posted already, but I am hearing that a little lynx will be the first animal on the tail. Very appropriate.
Greer is where the Greenville-Spartanburg airport is located.
Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1998 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
Quoting Stapleton (Reply 9): Wichita yes, Missoula no. Close though, Billings will likely get some of the first Lynx planes.
That's correct. It's all but confirmed up here that Lynx will replace Horizon on the service to Billings, not Republic. I could see them starting Missoula as well, though. It's a pretty fast-growing market.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 8): Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 7):
Look for Missoula and Wichita to be the first two cities served by Lynx.
source? or just an educated guess?
Either way, sounds good to me. Although ICT seems like it would be better off with the Ejets, thats just my opinion.
My source is from two Lynx employees; both stated Missoula and Wichita in seperate conversations. However, that was a few weeks ago, and it's certainly possible that a change has been made. If I get an update from either one, I'll post it.
CarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 161 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
Wichita has been publicized as far as some preliminary job advertisements there, but I had not seen any reports for Missoula. I wouldn't be surprised if F9 starts announcing in the very near future, possibly even this week. The waiver they applied for to start selling tickets has been on high priority. Where would one go to see the waiver and if the DOT has ruled on it?
GEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 842 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
I will add some more doubt to MSO. There is some runway work going on this summer (august last time I looked at the website) and 3 weekends the main runway will be shutdown, not the best time to start service.
BIL and ICT and the two starters for my bet.
Really should hit up RAP during August, can't sell too many tickets around rally time. (and for quite a price)
Stapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 276 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
What will Frontier's response be to the new Southwest route announcements in regard to Lynx? The future flight schedules show a definite increase in block time between DEN - ABQ and DEN - OKC on all the "Horizon" operated flights even though Horizon will no longer be flying for Frontier after the end of the year. The schedules to ELP, TUL and BIL also show significant block time increases as the year progresses. Could these block time increases be due to the slightly slower Q400 on these routes? (The OKC flights are most obvious because only one of the three flights is operated by "Horizon" in January and its block time is 10 minutes more than the "Republic" operated flights.
I guess the question is, with Southwest announcing DEN-ABQ and DEN-OKC, what will Frontier do? Horizon seems to compete well with WN in the northwest with the Q400. Or, will Frontier want to keep jets on these routes?
Also, I believe AMA was a potential Lynx market. Was this a pre-emptive strike by WN or were they just looking at an under served market with through DAL service?
I don't see Frontier considering AMA now. It is one thing to go up against WN in a large market, it is suicide to do it in a small market.
Frontier has some big challenges coming up. They really need to get the waiver to announce cities so that they can start selling tickets. I don't believe this process is going as smoothly as they had hoped. It also appears that Southwest smells blood. 20+ years ago, another airline with the same name found itself between the behemouth of United and a low cost Continental. Very similar to today only switching Continental to Southwest. I think this Frontier has a chance to survive, but there can't be many mis-steps.
Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
WN may be doing it to beat F9 to it, but if F9 throws a single (or two) Q400(s) up against a 737 I think you'll see F9 winning the market vis a vis the sparseish traffic between the two cities (the southwest announcement increases the city pair capacity by something like 500% does it not) and the superior economics of the Q400 in regional markets as compared to the 737.
Stapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 276 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
Quoting Graphic (Reply 20): WN may be doing it to beat F9 to it, but if F9 throws a single (or two) Q400(s) up against a 737 I think you'll see F9 winning the market vis a vis the sparseish traffic between the two cities (the southwest announcement increases the city pair capacity by something like 500% does it not) and the superior economics of the Q400 in regional markets as compared to the 737.
But why would Frontier want to "win" the AMA market when it makes more sense to "win" a market that Southwest doesn't fly to since this other market likely has higher yields since they don't have Southwest. While the Q400 is a great economic airplane, AMA is a Southwest dominated market. Frontier would be the "newby". This is not the same as Southwest going up against Horizon since in that case, the market was dominated by Horizon and Southwest was the newby. For these reasons, I can't see Frontier considering AMA now.
Although AMA was on the RFP, I don;t think it went much further than that. There are other cities that are much more attractive, and making themselves prettier.
FSD, for example, was ready to cough up nearly $500,000 in help if Frontier started service there, and even such places as ASE are offering some form of help, be it simply in the form of relaxed fees or marketing.
I had not heard AMA was even in negotiation with them, beyond responding to the RFP.
The RFP went out to 60 or so cities. I'm not sure they are all still in my head - or that I remember the codes for all for all of them.
Starting with the mountain cities, it includes Aspen and Vail (mostly regarded as certainties) Steamboat Springs (who are hopeful), Sun Valley (who don't think it will happen until next year).
FSD as noted, and even the other airport there (Sioux City, perhaps?) stuck its hand up. RAP wasn't sure - they made an offer, but I don't know if it went further.
ICT, obviously, and DSM, a few others of that kind - meaning area/size. I don't remember if TUL was on the RFP (?), but Lynx staff are already working that station for Frontier flights. BIL is simply replacing one airline - Horizon - with Republic, and then, we believe, Lynx.
There were some surprises on there, such as GSP, but they have applied for a grant to get Frontier/Republic E170 service. I'm not sure why such places as Helensville, AL, were on the list.
Most of the "other" CA cities, were there, PSP, MTY and SBA. Even LGB and BUR. SMX wasn't on the list and asked to be included. I guess any of the CA cities would be for Republic, not for Lynx?
There are several threads about it all, but that covers some of them. I know I've forgotten at least three. It's very early here.
25 ShannoninAMA: We might not be able to fill a Q400 alongside two 737s to DEN. However, im sure we could at least halfway fill it up, and probably more. The one thin
26 Stapleton: Mariner: I mention earlier in this thread my thoughts about Frontier schedules later this year and into next year where the block times suddenly incre
27 Ytib: Construction starts the week before Labor Day, and only impacts the weekday travel. The runway will be basically available Friday - Monday. This will
28 Mariner: I think it is a given that TUL will go to Lynx - with Lynx ground staff working the flights already. ICT - they're hiring staff. BIL - for sure. Afte
29 Mariner: My apologies to cities like Durango and Grand Junction - also on the list, also have had at least some discussions. mariner
30 Stapleton: It appears that a another potential Lynx market is getting improved service. FSD is going mainline (at least for awhile) on United. FSD Is Getting UA
31 CIDflyer: I know CID was dealing with F9, they needed a $500,000 revenue gurantee. Last I heard a decision was not to come before next year. Service would be o
32 ShannoninAMA: Wow! Things are really moving along here! Talk about a game of cat and mouse... I wonder who is next on the list? think MSO or ICT? Shannon
33 AirframeAS: How do I apply to Lynx?? F9's website has no way of applying....
34 STLGph: Now the $10,000 question -- who would fly a Q400 as opposed to a mainline jet from Southwest or United?