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Southwest Considering Coming To DAY  
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

The news broke here on local radio this morning that Southwest is in active talks with the airport management team here at DAY. No confirmation yet on a start date.

Possible routes would likelly include Nashville, Baltimore, Chicago/Midway and Dallas.

Considering FL's recent announcement of non-stop service to LAS last month, would Southwest possibly match Airtran on this route as well as Baltimore??


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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

They will more then likely match or try to have cheaper fares. Especially at the beginning. I hope they do come. They are a good airline.


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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

It would seem to fit the Southwest Biz model......moderate size city, easy connections to other "hubs".


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

They have done this before in talks with COS, MSP, etc etc etc.


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

The argument against such a move has been threefold:

1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller
2-FL has a growing presence here, now #2 in pax boardings and gaining rapidly on DL
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
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I would, without a shadow of doubt, welcome flights from here at BNA to DAY. That would almost make my day to be honest with you.


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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3651 times:
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

That's the one I immediately thought of getting in the way. I just can't see them serving both.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

More has appeared in the local paper, fair use:

Ahmad also said he has met twice this year with Southwest Airlines to discuss the possibility of service to Dayton. He believes there is a chance that the Dallas-based airline would consider serving Dayton at some point.

"Is there a chance? Yes. Have they promised anything? No," Ahmad said.

Southwest is unhappy about the recent startup in Columbus of Skybus, a competing low-fare carrier, he said


I think the part about Skybus is significant.

Link:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/con...007/06/25/ddn062507airportweb.html



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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

The armchair CEO in me completely agrees about Skybus' influence in Southwest's consideration of starting service to Dayton. Southwest is well aware that Skybus relies partially on passengers driving to CMH to take advantage of low fares, specifically from the Dayton and Cincinnati markets. Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
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Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 8):
Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.

If I may....if that was to occur, it would most likely be the beginning of the end for Skybus in my humble opinion.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
It would seem to fit the Southwest Biz model......moderate size city, easy connections to other "hubs".

That's not really the WN model anymore. PHL, PIT, DEN, IAD?

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7):

Ahmad also said he has met twice this year with Southwest Airlines to discuss the possibility of service to Dayton. He believes there is a chance that the Dallas-based airline would consider serving Dayton at some point.



Quoting DAYflyer (Thread starter):
The news broke here on local radio this morning that Southwest is in active talks with the airport management team here at DAY. No confirmation yet on a start date.

He believes there is a chance the airline would serve DAY at some point is much different than "active talks". WN is being polite, I think thats about it.

If WN wanted, they could open the taps at CMH and bleed Skybus dry. It doesn't matter how much SX has raised, WN can outspend them.

I think based upon recent history at WN, that CVG is a better candidate than DAY. 10 years ago, DAY was perfect, today not so much. T1 at CVG is just begging for a LCC to set up shop.


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

DAY makes a decent amount of sense, they would certainly be able to pickup a good chunk of traffic from CVG that wouldn't mind driving up to DAY anyway - people do it for delta all the time.

Maybe that's who is talking about taking over some of the gates in Terminal D


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 8):
The armchair CEO in me completely agrees about Skybus' influence in Southwest's consideration of starting service to Dayton. Southwest is well aware that Skybus relies partially on passengers driving to CMH to take advantage of low fares, specifically from the Dayton and Cincinnati markets. Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.

With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.



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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

I think it would be great for DAY to gain the services of Southwest at their airport. Yes DAY and CMH are within 2 hours of eachother, but I think Southwest would be looking at the draw that DAY may get from the northern suburbs of Cincy. AirTran and Frontier have both succeeded at DAY, and I think its a good time for Southwest to come on in and enjoy a similar success.

[Edited 2007-06-26 19:06:59]


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User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

Perhaps Southwest is trying to make it more convenient for passengers orginating from Dayton to fly Southwest than to fly Skybus out of CMH.

[Edited 2007-06-26 19:03:56]

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

I wonder if these discussions with DAY management are something like WN's discussions about moving HQ to Phoenix when the the negotiations about the Re-Wright were going on. In this case, an expression of displeasure with Columbus and its business community for putting up cash to help found Skybus. I'm in the group that thinks Skybus won't be around long, so I think it's unlikely that WN is going to actually open up in DAY. Perhaps WN just wants to grouse, and suggest that if Skybus does succeed, that maybe there is just a bit of danger of them moving down I-70.

AirTran is well established at DAY, and remember that WN typically wants at least 10 dailies on day one. It's unlikely that WN would want to spend the money opening a new station and fighting FL, and then have the reason they're unhappy with Columbus--a much bigger O & D market--disappear.

Jim


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 10):
That's not really the WN model anymore. PHL, PIT, DEN, IAD?

And maybe they are considering a change back to the old model?

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.

I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that.



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY? There is little LCC competition at CVG and it is a market that has been plauged by very high fares.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
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Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 17):
Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY?

Being a DL hub I think it's unlikely. Much like MEM in that regard.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 17):
Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY? There is little LCC competition at CVG and it is a market that has been plauged by very high fares.

This has been thought of many times, and DL has become an expert at defending it's turf at CVG. FL has tried it twice, and so have others. They have all pulled out after DL matched the fares and flooded the market with seats. I do think if anyone can break the stranglehold on CVG that DL has, Southwest could be the one to pull it off.

Perhaps all this talk about DAY is a smokescreen to conceal the real plan, whihc is CVG????



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that

When GSO-CVG is $400 to $500+ and GSO-CVG-DAY is about $250, I will gladly fly into DAY, and rack up the extra 1,000 Skymiles on top of that.  Smile

WN in DAY would be nice. I travel to Ohio two to three times a year to visit family in Cincinnati. RDU-BWI-DAY or RDU-MDW-DAY would be convenient and manageable. CMH is a little far to consider since the family we visit is on the west side of Cincy, putting CMH at well over 110 miles.

The past two years over Christmas, we've gotten lucky and been able to get GSO-CVG direct for less than $250, but over the summer, I've had to do GSO-DAY (once on CO thru EWR, once on DL thru CVG) because to go direct into CVG was roughly $200 more.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 13):
I think it would be great for DAY to gain the services of Southwest at their airport. Yes DAY and CMH are within 2 hours of eachother, but I think Southwest would be looking at the draw that DAY may get from the northern suburbs of Cincy.

Southwest already gets a lot of draw from Cincy in all three WN cities surrounding Cincy (IND, CMH, and SDF).

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller

Yes, but a big chuck of that market is Wright-Patterson AFB, which is home to Air Force Material Command. Lots of engineers (both military and civilian) and contractors there, plus the other military personnel at the base going on TDY (Tempoary Duty) Trips and business trips. Just something to consider.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.

I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that.

I am not so sure anymore with the cost of gas, your time driving there and back, the cost to park, it all adds up to the total cost. And for a lot of people it just is not worth it.



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User currently onlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Thread starter):

Possible routes would likelly include Nashville, Baltimore, Chicago/Midway and Dallas.

Except...WN cannot offer n/s DAY-DAL  Wink So that part cannot be true, they may offer service or connecting flights to Dallas...

Alex



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User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

If WN were to begin service at DAY, DAL would likely NOT be one of the routes served -- not nonstop anyway. The current Wright Amendment restrictions which don't fully expire until 2014 would prohibit nonstop service between those two cities.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):

Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

IND's airport is on the opposite (west) side of the city from Dayton. Until you get across Indy to the west side which adds a little more time, 2 hours would be a very good time for that drive. I drive quite fast and would plan on more than 2 hours to make that drive myself. CMH is closer to DAY than IND.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller

Dayton is the #59 MSA. Right below Dayton at 60 and 61 are OMA and ABQ respectively... and both of these have WN presence already. Well below that are ELP, BOI, GEG, and JAN. Also all WN cities. Dayton is nearly double GEG's size, and there's alot more uncounted population surrounding DAY (i.e. Cinci's northern suburbs like Warren County are as close to DAY as they are to CVG airport-wise) than there is in Spokane.


25 FATFlyer : Disagree. People were doing it when gas prices were cheaper, it is not going to stop now. Here at Fresno they were already driving 3 or 4 hours to OA
26 ATLAaron : CMH and DAY are more like an hour apart rather than 2 hours being mentioned above. I think people will still drive to another airport for a cheaper f
27 FlyDeltaJets87 : People don't consider a lot of factors. For one, most people don't consider that gas isn't the only expense when operating a car. According to the IR
28 FATFlyer : Of course many of these discussions assume a single person driving to another airport for a lower fare. But in my experience it is usually 2 or more
29 DAYflyer : I had forgotten about the Wright Amendment thing, so yes DAL would not be a viable destination without a connection.
30 Pe@rson : It would be great if WN flew to CVG: DL's airfares are often very expensive. It's about time someone burst DL's monopoly on a good number of routes to
31 Rampart : Or unlikely like WN in such hubs as BWI, IAD, DEN, SFO, SEA, DTW, and CLE? And why couldn't WN serve more than one city within a 100 mile radius? LAX
32 FlyPeoria : Dayton itself has only 158,873 residence but the metro area as of 2005 was estimated at 848,173. Some may not realize it but Dayton's "Metropolitan St
33 Boeing743 : I am not sure if DAY is good place to have SW due to CMH, IND and SDF already has SW n/s to variety place in US. It would be interest to see if DAY ab
34 FlyingClrs727 : But it also depends on how many are taking the trip. If you were taking your whole family, the MPG and trip cost of of the vehicle would barely chang
35 TOLtommy : If that were the case, every flight out of TOL would be packed, but we all know most of the market drives up I-75 (100 miles R/T) and pays more to pa
36 Lexy : Well, if WN can go to Jackson, Mississippi, then I suppose they can go anywhere they want. LOL!! CVG looks good on paper, but perhaps there is somethi
37 Post contains images SANFan : I would guess that in 2007, WN has met with no less than 5 cities (some of them twice?) regarding the possibility of serving those cities sometime. I
38 Post contains images Chase : DAY-IND = 119 miles. At least to me, it seems closer than that because several times I've easily gotten from the NE side of Indy to the state line in
39 Skibum9 : Never happen......I would love to see them land any airliner on a turf runway that is only 1220ft. x 80ft. There is no way that they are going to bui
40 Gregarious119 : ILN may be privately owned, but SGH is not. It's probably the most capable strip out of the area in terms of runway length, infrastructure and highway
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