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User currently offlineDelta764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Anyone have any news on how the Seoul service is working for Delta, and also, an update on the loads for the new Bucharest and Dubai flights

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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Well, I'm sure DL works well on ATL-ICN route. The lowest 2 or 3 classes are full throughout this summer even though airfare (from Seoul) is extremely high!! Almost as high as Korean air. Wonder how DL will do on low season.

User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 1):
The lowest 2 or 3 classes a

You mean fare classes (or has Delta introduced F or Y+).

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 1):
airfare (from Seoul) is extremely high!! Almost as high as Korean air.

Dunno about ATL, but from many places in the US buying tickets to ICN is not much cheaper in advance ($1500 - 1800 r/t in many places); you might as well wait until the day of departure. Well, almost.


User currently offlineJetlife2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 221 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

I found airfare in C between ATL and ICN to be extremely good value, so much so that I used that route to go CVG-ATL-ICN-HKG at less than half price compared to other options. KAL C class was very good, I give it 8.5/10. Have not flown DL on same route.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9336 times:
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Quoting Delta764 (Thread starter):
Anyone have any news on how the Seoul service is working for Delta

Initial westbound (ATL-ICN) loads have been very good (80-100% LFs); initial eastbound loads (ICN-ATL) weaker, though picking up now.


Quoting Delta764 (Thread starter):
an update on the loads for the new Bucharest and Dubai flights

DXB pax. loads have been so-so (it is low season now and summer is hot, hot, hot, and humid...).

OTP has decent loads in the back (Y); front cabin, as expected initially, is weaker.

PSA had some off days here and there in the beginning but is now pretty much 90-100% all the time..


User currently onlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

I was just looking at ICN on TravelNet the other day. It seems that the planes are full or oversold every day. It seems DL is making good money on the route (or so it would seem). We had a Buddy Pass fly out of MLI the other day who was the last to get one, and he was lucky for sure. From what I can tell, though, the route seems to be doing very well, although like I said I don't know how much revenue they're making.

User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

FYI.....UA flight from IAD-KWI is taking oversales almost daily...if not daily

User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

The yields on C for DL / KE can't be as high for ICN as for other east Asian hubs. Connecting via SEL on KE or DL/KE can save several thousand dollars on a a C class ticket via NRT or on nonstop routings. I'm sure that DL/KE aren't giving seats away and KE at least has a decent product and with ICN being such a great connecting hub combined with the DL feed in ATL they incremental revenue for both SkyTeam members must be good.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 6):
FYI.....UA flight from IAD-KWI is taking oversales almost daily...if not daily

Maybe a future route for DL? JFK-KWI? I mean DL has after all stated they want to expand in the middle east. Where else is there to expand that's safe besides DXB? AUH? BEY? KWI?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
Where else is there to expand that's safe besides DXB? AUH? BEY? KWI?

...Amman, Riyadh, Jeddah, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, etc. Not that several of those would offer the yield that DL's seeking, but still.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Could DL go back to CAI?


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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Lots of rumors going around here in ATL in regards to DL flying into Cairo and/or Casablanca! Maybe after the new 75s come on board.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 9):
...Amman, Riyadh, Jeddah, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, etc.

Why would Delta ever waste an aircraft on any of those hostile-towards-the-U.S. countries? With the exception of Amman, I cannot see any of those happenening.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
Why would Delta ever waste an aircraft on any of those hostile-towards-the-U.S. countries? With the exception of Amman, I cannot see any of those happenening.

What does a country's being hostile towards us have to do with an arcraft being "wasted"? DL's a company that exists to make money and if money can be made while ensuring the safety of passengers, crew, and assets, then by all means fly there.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 13):
What does a country's being hostile towards us have to do with an arcraft being "wasted"? DL's a company that exists to make money and if money can be made while ensuring the safety of passengers, crew, and assets, then by all means fly there.

Ok then, I know one thing's for sure and that's me nor anyone I know is going to feel entirely safe going to Saudi Arabia. Yes I would like to go, but I certainly would not feel safe.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
Ok then, I know one thing's for sure and that's me nor anyone I know is going to feel entirely safe going to Saudi Arabia. Yes I would like to go, but I certainly would not feel safe.

That's cool. I got no great urge to go there myself. But lots of folks do feel safe there and would want to go. And I'm sure there's plenty people who don't feel safe but still want to go because they can make the $$$s.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8160 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
Ok then, I know one thing's for sure and that's me nor anyone I know is going to feel entirely safe going to Saudi Arabia. Yes I would like to go, but I certainly would not feel safe.

Plenty of oil money in Saudi Arabia from my understanding - I had a neighbour a few years back that would travel from Boston to Saudi Arabia twice a month for oil-related work. I tend to think a US carrier might do well in this segment, but I'm not real familiar with the oil industry to be sure if there is demand from this sector. But if there is, I could see oil companies all over it (and those companies would more than likely be paying Business Class fares).


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 8091 times:

Net - the destinations are probably already decided on. A/C avails is the bigger issue and I can imagine it's being worked through.

Clarity comes with time.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7512 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
Ok then, I know one thing's for sure and that's me nor anyone I know is going to feel entirely safe going to Saudi Arabia. Yes I would like to go, but I certainly would not feel safe.

Those arent tourist destinations for sure, but take LOS for example. Would you feel safe going there? Its just as if not more dangerous than some of the other cities mentioned and DL is starting service there.



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User currently onlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1363 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

I'd feel safer in Saudi Arabia than Nigeria, and Delta is going there.

Don't forget BAH and DOH as well....I'd expect DOH to come before BAH, RUH, JED, AUH.


User currently offlineAtlantaflyboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Having spent some time in the region I can tell you that just as much or as little (depending on your way of looking at the world) anti-American sentiment lies in countries like Kuwait, Bahrain, Dubai, Qatar, Jordan and Saudi Arabia as does in places like Germany, France, Ireland or the UK. Anywhe you go you must be sensitive to the local culture and use caution. This is true whether it be Dublin or Doha. I have felt far safer in Jeddah than I ever have in Kingston Jamaica .....

User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
Why would Delta ever waste an aircraft on any of those hostile-towards-the-U.S. countries?

While I am in total agreement with you, DL is seeking more money like everybody else is. But I agree with you, nonetheless.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
Ok then, I know one thing's for sure and that's me nor anyone I know is going to feel entirely safe going to Saudi Arabia. Yes I would like to go, but I certainly would not feel safe.

You need a visa to get into the Saudi Arabia and tourist visas are almost non existent and were only introduced a few years ago with the exception of Haj visas which extremely limit your ability to move about the kingdom. I do send business travelers from time to time and they say they never felt unsafe as violent crime is low in general and if you are sensitive to Saudi sensibilities you are treated well. I did have female CEO that was treated with complete deference but she was forced to put on a chaddor (s.p.?) essentially as she got off of the aircraft which she despised but the business rewards were well worth it to her.


User currently offlineArecibo From Spain, joined Aug 2004, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

Well.........the hope is that Delta dares to match the cabin service on Asiana and Korean Air; both superb. As for their american counterparts in Seoul ( NWA, United ) not to worry....their dirty restrooms and arrogance are notorious on this route.
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Departing Seoul's ICN via Asiana in route to Narita.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 9):
...Amman, Riyadh, Jeddah, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, etc. Not that several of those would offer the yield that DL's seeking, but still.

Pakistan is not in the middle East.


25 Post contains images LawnDart : Oh, jeez...not this crap again. I swear, everytime you post something like this I have flashbacks to the old blind Chinese character on the Kung Fu t
26 Post contains images Evan767 : Yes, but your Belgian, not American! Oh, I totally forgot about Bahrain and Qatar. Now I see where Delta is getting at! KWI, BAH, DOH, maybe AUH. Tha
27 Alitalia744 : Point taken. I'll refrain from posting.[Edited 2007-06-27 23:56:52]
28 Delta764 : It would be nice to DL in kuwait. It could be a profitable route from JFK. DL does not have the equipment to operate another Long Haul TATL out of ATL
29 FLYGUY767 : Something tells me that Delta will not be using its own metal anytime soon to routes such in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan. These destinations ar
30 Evan767 : Says who? From the looks of it, ATL-DXB seems to be doing just fine by itself. A tag on to KWI would not be the answer, and be too much cargo for the
31 Evan767 : Hmm... Are you sure a 763 can go JFK-KWI, during the hot summer days in KWI, or strong winter headwinds going to JFK, with full cargo and passengers?
32 FLYGUY767 : I heard BAH, or DOH are most likely. However, I do feel that with DOH served to Newark with QR, it would be to the advantage to serve BAH before anyo
33 Delta764 : I would love to see NBO, KWI, and CAI added to the DL network. Is the African East Coast served by any US carriers.
34 ConcordeBoy : ...which might be why I said: Nope.
35 Flighty : I'd feel a lot safer in Saudi Arabia than I would in East Saint Louis. The same goes for Beirut. Not so sure about Pakistan, although it is a very imp
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : BA has increased its LHR-ISB from 3x/weekly B744 to 6x/weekly B777....the route is doing quite well and yields are good..... ....people of non-Pakist
37 DiscoverCSG : While I've not spent any time in Saudi Arabia, I have spent time in inner-city Cleveland and a particularly nasty section of the Bronx. I think I'd p
38 WorldTraveler : there will be no tag on any DL flights. There might be an enroute stop such as DKR is for ATL-JNB but another middle east destination behind CAI is a
39 WorldTraveler : please don't. they're just jealous they can't figure out DL's strategy as well as you can. It's really not rocket science - you just have to read and
40 Evan767 : No other US carrier flies non-stop schedules service to Africa besides Delta with the exception of North American and maybe one other lesser-known ai
41 Jacobin777 : ..what an asinine statement....its about people security and safety..you obviously don't know too much about how hospitable most Arabs/Iranians/Asian
42 777law : Huh? I've actually been flying on UA between ICN - SFO / ICN - NRT - SEA recently, and I have to say I was pretty impressed. UA definitely exceeded m
43 Post contains images Panamair : LOL..so true. If one just listens to the Analyst calls or other Investor webcasts, there are Sooo maannny things one can easily pick up...for example
44 Papatango : OK don't keep us in the dark what is the new Asian route?
45 FLYGUY767 : WorldTraveler, The post you have quoted me replying to was in reference to someone in this topic mentioning that Delta could use the 767-300 to Kuwai
46 UA772IAD : Aren't the overseas crew bases amazing (on your ICN-NRT- they are BKK, SIN and HKG based)? I was so impressed by how much more professional they were
47 ConcordeBoy : Don't quite think it's "the Jews" that he's worried about.... He doesn't. He doesn't even work in/with the aviation industry.
48 Alitalia744 : Thanks WT. That's the thing people - if you pay attention, read, listen to webcasts and see between the lines you realize Delta lays their plans out
49 FlyPNS1 : Sure, it's all out there for those who have the time to dig through all the conference calls, presentations, etc. However, what most people object to
50 OA412 : In total agreement with you here. Guys, if it's mentioned on a publicly available webcast for all to listen to it's not exactly a secret anymore so w
51 Post contains images Evan767 : Well, guys, if it slipped out to the public, then it's out. You might as well tell. It's not like you'll get in trouble, Hauenstein spilled, you can
52 Papatango : Just some guys playing stupid games ie I know something you don't ha ha.
53 WorldTraveler : 744, I have to agree. If it was said on a public forum, you should be willing to say what you heard or not bring it up at all. I didn not listen to t
54 777law : Yeah, they are good. There is even a difference between crews on flights originating in Asia and going to the US and Asia-bound flights originating i
55 WorldTraveler : I don't believe AA or DL use foreign crews on its transpac flights so it shouldn't matter.
56 ConcordeBoy : No big secret. DL plans on reviving its JFK-NRT by taking back a pair of slots leased to FX.
57 Evan767 : 763's can't make this route. Why would Delta put a 777 on it when it could be better used elsewhere?
58 OA412 : No surprise there. I've been expecting this one for a long time. Can it? If DL is serious about turning JFK into a true global gateway (and by all ap
59 Zone1 : Do you take the JFK-CVG flight a lot? Good question. I really hope the first new city they open up with the LRs is ATL-HKG. How can you serve mainlan
60 ConcordeBoy : ...well, since you seem to be aware of something they don't, then do tell-- how, and where to?
61 FLYGUY767 : JFK-NRT would be a bread and butter route, it is a gap that is missing from the Globalization of the Delta JFK hub. Technically speaking Delta alread
62 Post contains images LawnDart : I'm green with envy... I apologize if I offended any clairvoyants on this forum with my "I'm tired of the "clarity comes in time...." " tirade earlie
63 Jacobin777 : ...to clear things up..... fair use excerpt: "The Japanese government on Friday told DOT it will permit Delta to transfer its slots at Narita airport
64 MAH4546 : So much room. Just like there was somuch room for Northwest and United on the route, even though they have hub operations in Tokyo. Not saying Delta
65 OA412 : But neither airline had a hub or any sort of significant operation in New York which DL has. Yes DL does not have a hub in Tokyo but I submit that th
66 Panamair : Sorry guys, didn't mean to be coy about it (just signed back on), but Hauenstein did indeed mention JFK-NRT would be back before the end of 2008. Grin
67 Alitalia744 : No, I prefer the LGA-CVG. JFK is mostly Comair except for the afternoon. Usually take the 6:15am outta LGA and back on the 7:50... Lawn, did you have
68 Post contains images LawnDart : Nice analogy... Here's an analogy for you...the game of pin the tail on the donkey. I don't know where the donkey is, because I'm blindfolded, but I'
69 ConcordeBoy : grow up Lawndart ...not to mention with a more powerful/efficient/reliable aircraft.
70 Post contains images Zone1 : So you do work on Tide? The fun thing is to figure out how they would do the block times with this route. It would be interesting to know if they wou
71 Evan767 : Woah, I'm not saying this wouldn't be a profitable flight. I am just disappointed Delta would put one of their sacred 777's on this route, when it co
72 UN_B732 : Could Delta get the yields on JFK-NRT? If Northwest also returns to JFK-NRT, it could be a very tight market between AA/DL/JL/NW -A
73 Post contains images Alitalia744 : P&G has more brands than just Tide They are always posted on Delta.com, under investor relations. There is even a "web-cast" heading. Usually don't m
74 WorldTraveler : I suspect part of the reason DL execs have mentioned JFKNRT is because they are also talking to corporations to gauge what kind of business they could
75 WorldTraveler : Remember also that DL and NW are asking for joint antitrust immunity w/ AF and KL for transatlantic operations. It isn't a huge stretch to think that
76 Alitalia744 : JFK-NRT won't be an -LR. JFK-BOM would go -LR and rumors of ATL-BOM could come to fruition. Add JNB into the mix as a non-stop and you've got 5/6 plan
77 WorldTraveler : it is possible DL could fly both JFKBOM and ATLBOM w/ LRs and also use an ER for JFKNRT but you have rotation issues because east Asia and S. Asia fli
78 FLYGUY767 : WorldTraveler, I have been told by someone who works for Delta (Flight Attendant, I know not the best source for information), that JFK-HKG is being
79 Alitalia744 : correct. ATL-BOM is priority over ATL-DEL. JFK-NRT would be a 77E.
80 WorldTraveler : we are all speculating at this ponit but I don't see JFKHKG happening before ATL or LAX. I don't think it's a stretch to think that JFKNRT will be DL'
81 Papatango : I think all will be amazed when Delta OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES their plans for the 777lr's.
82 Panamair : Delta will announce their Q2 2007 results next Wednesday July 18 at 10am Eastern with a webcast - you can access it via the Investor Relations sectio
83 FLYGUY767 : I doubt the additional 777-200LR frame would have been ordered if Delta Air Lines route planning.. "doubt if they know themselves" -JD
84 Post contains images WorldTraveler : Delta knows what it is intended to be used for. No one else here does until it is announced. We do know it will not be the only or last 777LR order.
85 Phollingsworth : My guess is that they will order more B777LRs as their options come up to expiration. Does anyone have an idea when the remaining options expire?
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