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Ocean Air First Int'l Flight(GRU-MEX) Begin Aug 15  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3673 times:
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Ocean Air, the Brazilian arm of the Synergy group, owned by German Eframovich, announced today that operations with the Boeing 767-300ER will begin on August 15 with new service between São Paulo and Mexico City.

The flight will run 5x non-stop (due to bilateral restriction as Gol/Varig keeps 7 weekly non-stop rights between Brazil and MEX airport) and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

By September 7 they should also begin flights to LAD which should include a stop (not confirmed yet), that would be REC, SSA or GIG.

If the plans go right as scheduled, LOS service will commence up to the end of the year.

Felipe


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User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Nice development

Remains to be seen if and when they will get a second 767-300ER in order to launch the African routes. Rumour also has it that at least one 757-200 is planned

From what I heard, they plan to operate daily flights GRU-BSB-MAO with the B763ER, due to begin as soon as possible

Cheers

Salz

[Edited 2007-06-26 17:31:12]


"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

That's exciting news for Brazil and for Mexico. Any pics of the Ocean Air 767?

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2469 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The flight will run 5x non-stop (due to bilateral restriction as Gol/Varig keeps 7 weekly non-stop rights between Brazil and MEX airport) and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

With only one frame, it will be hard to compete with AM and take the premium passengers...
I wonder which leg will be night and which will be daylight!!!

Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Ocean Air, the Brazilian arm of the Synergy group

Great News Felipe, Thanks!... this arm as you correctly called it, is extremely important for the development for the Synergy Group. I can only wish the best for OceanAir...

Quoting S.p.a.s. (Reply 1):
Rumour also has it that at least one 757-200 is planned

I heard that too, but in regards when Avianca ( AV ) start receiving its A-319/320 next year that might transfer one of its 757s to OceanAir...

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 2):
Any pics of the Ocean Air 767?

Yes:

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I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAdicool From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

question:
if AV is gonna join any alliance in the near future, would OceanAir follow?


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Lovely! More competition in the route! We are now just missing either RG or G3 starting MEX, any news on this? When is RG getting its B762ER for the route? And we are also missing MX to start Brazil! I hope fares drop, can't wait to go spotting to GRU!!!!!


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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
If the plans go right as scheduled, LOS service will commence up to the end of the year.

Guys, what is special about Lagos? I see Delta will be starting service there too. Is it OIL????


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
2x weekly will run to Toluca airport

This is very surprising... I am glad TLC will have more international operations.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
I wonder which leg will be night and which will be daylight!!!

I think MEX-GRU should be red-eye and GRU-MEX should be the daylight leg.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??

Not for long I think. If I am not mistaken, there is a deadline by which RG must restart the authorized routes that are currently without operations... if they don't restart by then, the authorities will be lost.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
Not for long I think. If I am not mistaken, there is a deadline by which RG must restart the authorized routes that are currently without operations... if they don't restart by then, the authorities will be lost.

The deadline is October 2007. If RG does not resume flights to MEX by the dealine its frequencies will be taken and other airlines could apply for the frequencies.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Very good to finally have some dates for a service that has been expected for a while.
No mention of LAX, I see. Even though OceanAir has the rights, I suppose that they still want to operate it via BOG, and that is the hurdle.
I wonder if AV applying for 2 extra LAX flights a week has anything to do with this.

Will be good to see that 767 actually doing some flying!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Is it possible for Varig / Gol to keep their 7x week rights GRU-MEX for a long time without actually flying the route??

Yes because of the Bankruptcy protection Law. They keep up to 180 days after the international authorities has been advised that they have the right to fly (on this case).

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 7):
Guys, what is special about Lagos? I see Delta will be starting service there too. Is it OIL????

Tony, oil and also tourism. Nigeria is also buying several other kind of merchandise from Brazil and this flight can help to increase the level of trade.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
This is very surprising... I am glad TLC will have more international operations.

Just because of the bilateral restriction Eddie. Brazil can fly up to 12x weekly flights to MEX only. 4 other flights can be done, but to other airports. Mexican carriers keep the same restriction, can fly to GRU just 12x weekly.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
The flight will run 5x non-stop and 2x weekly will run to Toluca airport.

7X to MEX/TLC means the plane will be used more than 18 hours, daily! In my opinion very tight for a sole 763.

For instance, MX flies each 763 to EZE 18 hours as well, but only 6X weekly.

Interesting...

Fyano


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Quoting Adicool (Reply 5):
if AV is gonna join any alliance in the near future, would OceanAir follow?

That is the million bucks question, but I haven't heard much. Apparently approaches to Star in the past, but vague rumours only.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3329 times:
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A second 763 should be arriving shortly, so they can even begin the flights with 2 frames. I'm trying to obtain the flight schedule.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

I wonder why they're even considering split operations betwenn MEX and TLC. I'm sure some people will get confused. Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Welcome to Ciudad de Mexico Ocean Air.....

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
With only one frame, it will be hard to compete with AM and take the premium passengers...

I think Ocean Air will be considerable cheaper than Aeromexico, so don't be surprise if Ocean Air sees very high loads all year long. But yes, AM will make their money on the premium seats.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

Toluca is a short drive from Mexico City, if people can save $300 USD flying to TLC instead of MEX, its not a bad deal.

I'm hoping that both Avianca and Ocean Air will tag on CUN to their Mexico City runs


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Just because of the bilateral restriction Eddie.

Oh yes, Filipe, that's clear indeed. I just think that many O&D passengers will feel happy that the flight will be leaving from/arriving at TLC, and I celebrate that for the flyers and for TLC!

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
Why didn't they choose to fly to CUN or GDL instead of TLC?

Well, CUN is tricky because it would be a 100% leisure destination, so the yields might be too small or even non-existing. While there may be an untapped market from MTY or GDL to Brazil, I think that choosing TLC will allow OceanAir to offer -awkwardly- daily service to the inhabitants or visitors of Mexico City and its metro area, which is a sensible business proposition.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
I'm hoping that both Avianca and Ocean Air will tag on CUN to their Mexico City runs

Yes... I hope that too... Nice to see more 767 in here....



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
Well, CUN is tricky because it would be a 100% leisure destination, so the yields might be too small or even non-existing. While there may be an untapped market from MTY or GDL to Brazil, I think that choosing TLC will allow OceanAir to offer -awkwardly- daily service to the inhabitants or visitors of Mexico City and its metro area, which is a sensible business proposition.

Right, business ties between Mexico and Brazil grow a lot during the past 5 years and the flights has been reduced ! There's a huge market waiting for Ocean Air ! Now the best alternative AM has to grow is really begin it's planned MEX-GIG non stop service, it's amazing how many Mexicans are connecting thru MIA and ATL to Rio.

Finally competition again on Mexico-Brazil !

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

How will OceanAir operate nonstop from MEX with a B767-300ER? Isn't the range of the aircraft too short for this?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3085 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
How will OceanAir operate nonstop from MEX with a B767-300ER? Isn't the range of the aircraft too short for this?

No it isn't, Varig use to run this flight also with a 767-300ER during some time (when not using one of their 777-200). Even LAX-GRU is possible to run with a 767-300ER.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Felipe, looking forward to having great introductory deals on this new service from Ocean Air.

I will need to fly down to RIO in October, so definitely I will be riding that beautiful red " Seven-Six " to wonderful Brazil !!! ...

... cool 

Best regards



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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting XA744 (Reply 22):
Felipe, looking forward to having great introductory deals on this new service from Ocean Air.

I will need to fly down to RIO in October, so definitely I will be riding that beautiful red " Seven-Six " to wonderful Brazil !!! ...

... cool

Best regards

Varig will also be reintroducing its flights to MEX. You should definately fly in October to Brazil. You should expect a fare war, since 14 weekly flights will be started in such a short period of time. May you'll come with a blue "Seven-SIx" instead.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Now the best alternative AM has to grow is really begin it's planned MEX-GIG non stop service, it's amazing how many Mexicans are connecting thru MIA and ATL to Rio.

Finally competition again on Mexico-Brazil !

Yes, well, they need to consolidate MEX-GRU as an all-777-200ER route, maybe even beyond 7x weekly. And GIG needs attention from AM as you well say.

It is not only MIA/ATL-GIG... I have seen people fly from GRU to MEX via ATL with DL and via IAH with CO too. In fact, there are lots of Mexicans going to South America and South Americans going to Mexico who use U.S. carriers and fly via DFW, IAH, ATL and MIA. Mexican carriers need to do their homework and start new flights.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
No it isn't, Varig use to run this flight also with a 767-300ER during some time (when not using one of their 777-200). Even LAX-GRU is possible to run with a 767-300ER.

Even AM used its sole -300ER to GRU from time to time. Also, MX is sending 767-300ERs to EZE from MEX non-stop, which is basically as far away as GRU.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 AF022 : I'm aware of this. But MEX has a much higher altitude than LAX. Much higher. Varig I know used to operate MEX-CUN-GRU. I assume MEX-GRU would have ha
26 LipeGIG : Wish you a nice time in Rio! Mexico-Brazil could be right now a 4x daily flights market. One to BSB or Northeast, one to GIG and two to GRU. Felipe
27 XA744 : Well, this time I believe it will be very worthy to give Ocean Air a try, since I can only imagine how much of added value they will be putting into
28 C010T3 : Well, I'm not that sure... I wouldn't know... I just thought you had an eye on the fare, but I agree that trying a new airline is always fun (OK, not
29 LipeGIG : If i am in Rio, be sure about that ! Capirinha with additional Cachaça and a Churrascaria like Porcão in front of Sugar Lof The point is that a non
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