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RSW Looks For Service To Latin America  
User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

The Lee County Port Authority recently put out a travel survey in hopes of enticing a carrier to start service between RSW and a Latin American destination. The Ft. Myers area led the nation last year in Hispanic growth and with all the people moving here from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale I think the service would be greatly accepted. Many people are getting sick of driving accross the Alley to MIA or FLL. So what do you think? Do you think they will get the service? If so what airline will fly it and where will it go?

I will throw in my 2 cents and say NK to SJU

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Not happening anytime soon. Maybe in ten years it will become possible. They are lucky enough to have nonstop service to Europe.


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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

I doubt this will happen any time soon. You might have a lot of people moving from MIA/FLL to RSW, but how many of these people create such a demand for either leisure or business travel to sustain any kind of permanent service from RSW to Latin America? If RSW were to ever sustain any kind of service, my bets go to either SJU with AA or CUN with like USA3000 or something - and this might be seasonal. B6 doesn't even operate FLL-SJU, so I doubt they will add anything out of RSW. As for NK, maybe SJU as RSWA330 mentioned above, and thats speculating. I think NK will continue to add and grow at their hub in FLL before venturing out to nearby RSW.

AA flys I think 4 ATR's between RSW and MIA for those connecting to Latin American flights. Thats about 296 seats offered a day for connections. I wonder what the loads are on those flights and how many of those actually connect to go south. It might be cheaper at times to just drive to MIA rather than to take these ATR flights if I'm not mistaking.

Its nice to see though that RSW gets LTU service from Germany and has done so for many years. I know they get some Canada service, but during the winter months only I believe.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Not happening anytime soon. Maybe in ten years it will become possible. They are lucky enough to have nonstop service to Europe.

Why do you say in ten years? I'm just wondering.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Ten years from now it is nearly impossible to predict what will be happening in Southwest Florida so who knows. Just remember that Tampa still has no service to Latin America (I'm not counting San Juan) and Orlando's service is also lacking. They will see growth, as would Palm Beach, before RSW.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
They are lucky enough to have nonstop service to Europe.

....is their service operated as a Euro-only charter, or is it opped as scheduled with USA bookings available?

Also, what's the frequency?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

LTU's service to Fort Myers and all their US destinations is 100% scheduled. This summer they are operating five weekly flights to Munich and Dusseldorf, same as Miami and Los Angeles (though all of LA's flights go to DUS). LTU actually advertises heavily in Florida including television. In Miami a large amount of their traffic originates in Miami.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 5):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
They are lucky enough to have nonstop service to Europe.

....is their service operated as a Euro-only charter, or is it opped as scheduled with USA bookings available?

LTU - scheduled service from DUS and maybe MUC, bookable in the US



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Ten years from now it is nearly impossible to predict what will be happening in Southwest Florida so who knows. Just remember that Tampa still has no service to Latin America (I'm not counting San Juan) and Orlando's service is also lacking. They will see growth, as would Palm Beach, before RSW.

Well, MCO and TPA are lacking Latin American service, but I think RSW will get service before PBI. PBI is close enough to MIA and FLL that there really is no need for it. Also, what airline would do it? NK has a good operation out of FLL and AA out of MIA. There is no other airline, other than maybe DL, that is interested in Florida-Latin America service. RSW has passed PBI to become Florida's 5th busiest airport, and PBI actually lost passengers last year. PBI really is too close to FLL and MIA. I think RSW could at least support 1X daily to SJU. I just can't believe we got European service before Latin American. I know there are a lot of Germans here, but there are a TON of Hispanics. Really, the whole West coast of Florida is under served when it comes to Latin American service. On a side note, I wouldn't rule out NK starting international flights out of RSW. RSW actually almost became NK's hub. They chose FLL because the owner lived in Boca and thought it would be better for the airline to be based closer to his home. RSW wouldn't see anything even close to what FLL sees, but I could see service to maybe SJU and CUN.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Looking at Spirit's failed attempts to start service to CUN from Tampa and Orlando, it is pretty safe to say that Fort Myers chances of CUN service are pretty much zero.


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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 8):
They chose FLL because the owner lived in Boca and thought it would be better for the airline to be based closer to his home

This seems like a ridiculous excuse to choose which city to hub your airline out of, not to mention one I find hard to believe...LOL.

NK would never fill a plane up to capacity on a flight from RSW-LIM, GUA, SJO, PAP. They hub well out of FLL. There is O/D traffic and its good competition with AA (especially since its out of FLL not MIA). Domestic wise I'm sure they do great, but its not ready (yet) for a burst of traffic to the south of it.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 10):
This seems like a ridiculous excuse to choose which city to hub your airline out of, not to mention one I find hard to believe...LOL.

NK would never fill a plane up to capacity on a flight from RSW-LIM, GUA, SJO, PAP. They hub well out of FLL. There is O/D traffic and its good competition with AA (especially since its out of FLL not MIA). Domestic wise I'm sure they do great, but its not ready (yet) for a burst of traffic to the south of it.

I thought it was hard to believe too, but it is true. It was back when they were moving their corporate HQ from Michigan to Florida. They had to pick between FLL and RSW and they picked FLL because the owner of the airline lived in Boca.
Keep in mind that this was years and years ago. Back then, NK probably wasn't planning on going international. FLL is a much better choice for what they are doing now.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Spirit's international plans started to develop in the late 1990s and were delayed after 9/11. It was a primary reason why they moved to South Florida, a move that had nothing to do with where a guy's house was located.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

I agree with MAH4546, this is just not happening. When it does, it won't be daily- twice a week to SJU, or CUN should be enough.

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

What about B6 operating an E-190 to SJU (or possibly BQN)?


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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Spirit's international plans started to develop in the late 1990s and were delayed after 9/11. It was a primary reason why they moved to South Florida, a move that had nothing to do with where a guy's house was located.

It really isn't important but here is a link:

http://www.answers.com/topic/spirit-airlines-inc?cat=biz-fin

The only important paragraphs are the 15th and the 20th. The 15th higlights Homfeld's move to South Florida and paragraph 20 highlights how the airline chose Ft. Lauderdale. Where he lived wasn't the only deciding factor, but it definately was one.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

On a side note, WHEN the Cuban embargo is eventually lifted, I would imagine that every city in Florida would be trying to get a direct Havana connection. American Eagle would probably apply for every landing strip on the island!

Other than that, is there any RSW route to the Caribbean that couldn't be served more efficiently through Miami?



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 16):
On a side note, WHEN the Cuban embargo is eventually lifted, I would imagine that every city in Florida would be trying to get a direct Havana connection. American Eagle would probably apply for every landing strip on the island!

Other than that, is there any RSW route to the Caribbean that couldn't be served more efficiently through Miami?

FLL does just fine with routes to the Caribbean even though it is VERY close to MIA. The reason they started this travel survey is because people were complaining that they have to drive or fly AE to MIA. There must have been quite a few people to complain about this for the airport to conduct a study. They even extended the survey an extra month due to "high demand." Flying from RSW to MIA is really a waste of money and after gettting to the airport early, checking in, etc, it would almost be quicker to drive.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 16):
American Eagle would probably apply for every landing strip on the island

American Eagle already flies to Havana, Cienfuegos, Holguin, Santiago and Camaguey in Cuba from Miami.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Flying from Fort Myers to Miami is not a waste of money at all considering that if you are making a connection in Miami the RSW MIA segment is pretty much free. Non stops from Fort Myers to the region simply are not happening.


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Thread starter):
I will throw in my 2 cents and say NK to SJU

Well I know Puerto Rico is Latin/Hispanic, but I always considered it Caribbean rather than Latin America.

I wouldn't be surprised maybe if Jet Blue flew to SJU or one of the other cites in Puerto Rico. They just started serving a few cities out of MCO.

What is the breakdown of the Latin increase in Fort Myers? Puerto Rican? Cuban?

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 8):
NK has a good operation out of FLL and AA out of MIA. There is no other airline, other than maybe DL, that is interested in Florida-Latin America service.

I could see Jet Blue starting service to some Latin America destinations.

I don't see any Latin American carriers though flying to RSW. Hell even at MCO we only get a Copa flight a few times a week.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 20):
Well I know Puerto Rico is Latin/Hispanic, but I always considered it Caribbean rather than Latin America.

I wouldn't be surprised maybe if Jet Blue flew to SJU or one of the other cites in Puerto Rico. They just started serving a few cities out of MCO.

What is the breakdown of the Latin increase in Fort Myers? Puerto Rican? Cuban?

Puerto Rico was included in the survey so I guess the airport considers anything South of the U.S. Latin America. I would say the overwhelming majority of the Hispanic population of Lee County is Peurto Rican, Cuban, and Mexican. There are definately a noticeable amount of Colombians, Peruvians, Brazilians, and Haitians as well but not enough to warrant nonstop service. Lee County is expected to lead the state in student growth mainly due to a large increase of students from Latin America. Many immigrants are starting to favor the West Coast of Florida because it is cheaper to buy homes here than Miami/Ft. Lauderdale. The school system here is really struggling to teach reading because so many kids don't speak English. We even have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3389 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 21):
Puerto Rico was included in the survey so I guess the airport considers anything South of the U.S. Latin America. I would say the overwhelming majority of the Hispanic population of Lee County is Peurto Rican, Cuban, and Mexican. There are definately a noticeable amount of Colombians, Peruvians, Brazilians, and Haitians as well but not enough to warrant nonstop service. Lee County is expected to lead the state in student growth mainly due to a large increase of students from Latin America. Many immigrants are starting to favor the West Coast of Florida because it is cheaper to buy homes here than Miami/Ft. Lauderdale. The school system here is really struggling to teach reading because so many kids don't speak English. We even have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Yep, and people of this economic caste aren't going to be able to support airline service to Latin America.

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 17):
Flying from RSW to MIA is really a waste of money and after gettting to the airport early, checking in, etc, it would almost be quicker to drive.

Very true. On a good day, MIA is what, two hours from RSW? You'd spend more time than that just at RSW, checking in, checking baggage, going through security, etc. And then with your own vehicle, you're not at the mercy of the connecting flight.



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 22):
Yep, and people of this economic caste aren't going to be able to support airline service to Latin America.

I used to work with many Hispanics who made minimum wage and still took trips back to Mexico every year. Plus, there are many more Hispanics that are very wealthy in the area. I was just saying that Lee County has a bigger minority population than most people think.


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