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LH To Fly FRA-EWR With BBJ Starting Next Winter  
User currently offlineA350XWB From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

Just checked LH's homepage and found out that LH will replace it's current MUC-EWR-MUC BBJ service with an A333 and will add an early morning FRA-EWR service with BBJ.

12345-7 LH484 FRA-EWR 08:15-11:45
12345-7 LH485 EWR-FRA 15:55-05:40+1

1234567 LH412 MUC-EWR 15:15-18:35
1234567 LH413 EWR-MUC 20:25-10:10+1

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Interesting change of strategy - I am sure that it will take not much effort to make this flight profitable, since it is well connected with the first inbound wave from a large variety of domestic German destinations on the outbound sector and the first or second domestic and continental European outbound wave upon its return to FRA.


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User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Would PrivateAir be the operator of those flights? I wonder how well the flight will do since there's already quite a number of business seats from New York to FRA with LH, CO, DL, and SQ on the route.


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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7660 times:

Very interesting!!!!! I'm surprised they're changing their MUC service, but not so surprised about the addition of an all business aircraft addition.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7650 times:
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Quoting A350XWB (Thread starter):

As far as I know is the 2nd flight FRA-EWR-FRA not doing too good... Loads arent very high in the A333 so it might be better to use the BBJ instead and use the A333 from MUC.-EWR-MUC where better loads can be expected...

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User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
Would PrivateAir be the operator of those flights?

PrivatAir, and yes.



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User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
PrivatAir, and yes.

Thanks. I've spoken to a guy that has flown AMS-IAH and he said the service was excellent. This is a larger market and there is more competition, but once the flight finds its niche it will be probably do fine.

[Edited 2007-06-27 08:35:27]


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
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PrivatAir is really nice! been on the 319 CJ last year and flew DUS-EWR... very nice service... and very nice cabin! I am sure I will fly on it again!

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
Would PrivateAir be the operator of those flights?

Correct. Privatair would operate the flight. Apart from other flights like ZRH-EWR (if I'm not mistaken) and DUS-EWR, they also operate a second AMS-IAH flight for KL.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
PrivatAir is really nice! been on the 319 CJ last year and flew DUS-EWR... very nice service... and very nice cabin! I am sure I will fly on it again!

Just imagine everything once Privatair gets their first 787.  Wink


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Quoting A350XWB (Thread starter):
Just checked LH's homepage and found out that LH will replace it's current MUC-EWR-MUC BBJ service with an A333 and will add an early morning FRA-EWR service with BBJ.

The early morning departure is likely a direct response to the attempts of KL/NW to set up an early morning transatlantic departure bank at AMS in order to offer overnight longhaul connecting passengers a short transit in AMS. KL/NW will be operating early morning flights to JFK, BOS and DTW next winter. In the current summer program, there is also an early morning LAX departure.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

These early morning banks really make sense. There are a lot of arrivals from India, the Middle East, Africa and Russia between 5 and 6:30. The first flights to North America rarely start before 10. So there is often a waiting time of around 4 hours involved. With more and more Middle east and Indian carriers flying nonstop to North America with shorter connection times the European one have to react.
I wish LH would have at least a 8 o'clock flight to NYC, IAD and ORD.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
wish LH would have at least a 8 o'clock flight to NYC, IAD and ORD.

LH has a 9 o'clock flight to ORD. LH 434 MUC-ORD. They also have a DEN-MUC flight which doesn't leave DEN at ungodly times and makes the afternoon departure bank MUC-US. LH really is a very comfortable position with their dual-hub strategy, they're almost operating a unified hub meanwhile, with the FRA and MUC departure banks conveniently offset for the passengers, for both European and intercontinental departures

SailorOrion


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7039 times:

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 11):
LH has a 9 o'clock flight to ORD. LH 434 MUC-ORD. They also have a DEN-MUC flight which doesn't leave DEN at ungodly times and makes the afternoon departure bank MUC-US. LH really is a very comfortable position with their dual-hub strategy, they're almost operating a unified hub meanwhile, with the FRA and MUC departure banks conveniently offset for the passengers, for both European and intercontinental departures

But that doesn't help people flying LH from Africa, Middle East, India and Central Asia/Russia because all these flights go to FRA. MUC is to weak to these destinations.
Where MUC is strong is Europe. But People from Europe don't need these early departures from MUC. For them the 10 or 12 o'clock bank works much more comfortable.

The only real early morning flight from FRA is so far the code share with United to Chicago at 8:25. There is also an 8:30 by SQ to JFK, but LH stopped code sharing on them a while ago.

Therefore I think LH should have flight from FRA to JFK, IAD and ORD well spread between 8am and 5pm.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6989 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 12):
But that doesn't help people flying LH from Africa, Middle East, India and Central Asia/Russia because all these flights go to FRA. MUC is to weak to these destinations.

This is correct, LH badly needs to improve MUC's connection to these destinations.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 13):
This is correct, LH badly needs to improve MUC's connection to these destinations.

SailorOrion

You turning the words in my mouth  Wink

I was asking for earlier departures from FRA to North America for better connections from the mentioned destinations.

But you could certainly also do it the other way around and improve flights from Africa , Middle East etc to MUC. But 2 or 3 more early morning flights to America from FRA might be easier to achieve than introducing two couples of new flights from MUC to the Middle East and India.


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

I wish they would do a morning NYC-FRA to make it easier for our employees to make early meetings in MUC.

Interesting that the GDS (Apollo at least) is not yet updated with the Privatair flight. It has been showing the retimed MUC for a couple of days.


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4709 times:
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LH is slowly expanding the MUC hub with longer haul flights. MUC is important for LH also for a lot of the connections to eastarn erurope who are feeding the long haul flights as well as the passangers from LX from all over the world. LX has a decent Africa network which feeds pax to MUC as well.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 12):
The only real early morning flight from FRA is so far the code share with United to Chicago at 8:25.

For LH, that flight is as good as them operating their own metal on the route since UA shares profits with LH on Transatlantic routes. I don't think LH could ever have a reason to compete with UA at the same time. The two airlines stagger their departure times since both earn profits from either carrier operating the route. UA and LH have one of the closest partnerships in aviation.



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