Georgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Allegiant's new vacation destination will be FLL. The pilots have already received hub bids with FLL listed. Also there are rumors of G4 going into MCO and leaving the SFB operation. PHX has also appeared on the new crew domicile bid sheet. Sounds to me like G4 is doing some pretty big expanding! I also heard they bought more Maddogs, but I'm not sure how many and from who... i do know they bought some from SAS.
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5303 times:
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1): To my way of thnking it seems that there may be a battle brewing between FL & G4 with the recent FL expansions of LAS routes and now this.
I think that Allegiant may actually have a one up on Air Tran. The reason being is that Allegiant cities are all but non-daily services. They are to alternate airports, or to underserved airports. FL has bigger things to worry about right now that a retaliatory expansion at FLL. Who I am interested in reaction would be NK, and DL..
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
Kudo's to Allegiant! FLL appears to be a bit of a risk, but I don't see any reason the current G4 model won't work there. I was kinda hoping for RNO as the new base, but who's to say it won't be a base in a year or two.
Sacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
That is so funny. Yesterday I started a thread about the possibility of G4 going to MCO and now this. The people in my thread were not so optimistic that such a move would take place. Are you certain of the move?
PieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5170 times:
PIE will have a schedule reduction in flights from 34 per week to 25. We will lose one of our three based birds. What is the delivery schedule for additional MD-80's for the remainder of the year? This kind of growth with new focus cities will require 6-8 aircraft and maybe redeploying additional ones.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
There was an Allegiant flight SFB-MCO MCO-SFB the other day. Proving flight? That's probably the only domestic airline I've never seen at MCO.
Also, what's wrong with SFB? If it wasn't for Allegiant and the few intl charters mostly during summer the airport would be empty. Could it be most of the area's population growth has been to the south of the Sanford area?
InTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
I'd love to see where they would go in MCO.
With Airtran moving to the old DL gates, B6 and WN taking the old FL gates in airside 4... There really aren't any gates for them to go to! There are a few here and there, but not as many as they would need/want, I'm sure!
CitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
Like in that thread yesterday, I will continue to discount them moving to MCO until I see a G4 plane parked at an MCO airside. MCO and SFB are run by separate authorities -- I am certain any talk of them moving to MCO is to get a better incentives package out of SFB.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8963 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
For MCO gates, aren't there some still out on Airside 3? I believe all three piers have at least 2-3 gates open for use, so Allegiant, even with an operation that is a bit spread out, can still easily obtain 6-7 gates in Airside 3 for use if they choose to move to MCO - just 2-3 gates on each pier; not a big problem though since it's all the same airside, and Allegiant doesn't do connections in Orlando.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5920 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4862 times:
I just started a new thread. Allegiant just announced flights from GSP to LAS starting Aug 23.
In terms of this thread.
FLL is interesting, my main doubt about this rumor has been the size, the info that has floated around was 5 flights a day which means it would start at the same size as the current PIE. That has caused me to have some doubts that it would be Allegiant. But if true it is an agressive start.
A move from SFB to MCO seems strange. Moving an entire operation like that is very unusual. And I also still wonder about the cost/benefit.
Allegiant did make a deal a few weeks ago with Kinder Morgan to move fuel between and store fuel in both Tampa and Orlando. The Orlando terminal is near MCO. So this may be where the talk of a MCO move is coming from. Does it mean a move? I don't know.
Phoenix area I have heard before although the previous leading contender was IWA. The thing about Phoenix for me though is USAir. That means they either do not add a second focus city from many of the west coast stations (FAT, COS, GJT, EUG, MFR) or they compete directly with US on those routes.
I'd still like to see them build on the west coast cities by adding a second destination. Maybe they need to look at finding a couple of hours to do things like a LAS-FAT-RNO-FAT-LAS run.
Aircraft? They just added #28 from AM. Aircraft #29 is on its way. The advice from the company has been they would be around 30 aircraft this year. But they have been shopping for more.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
YNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4738 times:
First things first, I am not trying to say I don't believe anything you just said, but could you provide some proof to your statements.
1) I can believe you if they are going into FLL. Seems logical and they would tie into the cruise liners down there. I too would've like to see RSW, and I do hope they make that move in the near future. RSW is a perfect fit for seasonal flights and would fit well in Concourse B out at RSW with USA3000 and AirTran and other LCCs.
2) I'm sorry, but until I see something official from Allegiant, I will not believe they are moving to MCO. It makes no since at all for them to move such a successful operation from a smaller airport with little competition to such a larger airport with so many hassles and so much more competition. Like FATFlyer said, maybe you are jumping the gun on this MCO thing, perhaps it just deals with the fuel and a rumor thread started on this site yesterday.
3) I can also believe that they have purchased additional aircraft. That was one of their top priorities when they began to sell ALGT. If they want to continue expanding like they are, then they need more aircraft.
Again I am not trying to say you are lying, but the thing with MCO seems like a big stretch for me. I have followed Allegiant for well over 2 and a half years now and I just don't see how they could make MORE money at MCO.
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I think it would be nice if Allegiant was at Wiliams Gateway because then they would be the only carrier there and also they might attract some college students from ASU's Polytechnic campus which is right next to the airport. Which ever airport they choose, it would be nice to see Allegiant in Phoenix.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4856 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
Quoting YNGguins (Reply 20): 2) I'm sorry, but until I see something official from Allegiant, I will not believe they are moving to MCO. It makes no since at all for them to move such a successful operation from a smaller airport with little competition to such a larger airport with so many hassles and so much more competition.
I have been saying on here for a while that if G4 wants to be a real player in Orlando they will have to move to MCO.
While MCO is big, it is very convenient and easy to use, and also much closer to the trractions and hotels. SFB is smaller, limited conecessions, poor highway access and much further away. G4 is selling a package deal, therefore the competition doesnt affect then as much, and infact they may be more attractive if they offered the preferred orlando airport.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
RSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4567 times:
The more I think about it, the more I doubt FLL was a good choice for them. Most people in the Midwest and smaller towns favor laid back vacation destinations. The Southeast coast of Florida is definately not a laid back place to vacation. FLL is very crowded and I can't imagine G4 being very happy about that. How many people in G4's cities are actually going on cruises every week? Probably 20 on a good week. I don't think there is enough people in those cities to warrant service for the sole purpose of feeding the cruise lines. Is it a sure fact that G4's new city is FLL?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33997 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 23): ow many people in G4's cities are actually going on cruises every week? Probably 20 on a good week.
There is a significant amount of cruise traffic. Don't underestimate this. FLL was the absolute logical choice for this expansion. It's a large market and, as a bonus, one that can offer strong traffic in both directions. Allegiant will probably concentrate on East Coast and Southeast destinations, with a few from the Midwest thrown in. Ft. Lauderdale is quite a laid-back area, it isn't South Beach.