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Allegiant To FLL!  
User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Allegiant's new vacation destination will be FLL. The pilots have already received hub bids with FLL listed. Also there are rumors of G4 going into MCO and leaving the SFB operation. PHX has also appeared on the new crew domicile bid sheet. Sounds to me like G4 is doing some pretty big expanding! I also heard they bought more Maddogs, but I'm not sure how many and from who... i do know they bought some from SAS.


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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

This should be interesting to see how they do in a major airport (outside of LAS) against the likes of FL, B6 & DL? If they move into MCO also, will it garnish retaliatin from DL, B6 & FL.

To my way of thnking it seems that there may be a battle brewing between FL & G4 with the recent FL expansions of LAS routes and now this.



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 1):
To my way of thnking it seems that there may be a battle brewing between FL & G4 with the recent FL expansions of LAS routes and now this.

I think that Allegiant may actually have a one up on Air Tran. The reason being is that Allegiant cities are all but non-daily services. They are to alternate airports, or to underserved airports. FL has bigger things to worry about right now that a retaliatory expansion at FLL. Who I am interested in reaction would be NK, and DL..

Quoting Georgebush (Thread starter):
Sounds to me like G4 is doing some pretty big expanding!

Where did the gates come from?

-JD


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5008 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Kudo's to Allegiant! FLL appears to be a bit of a risk, but I don't see any reason the current G4 model won't work there. I was kinda hoping for RNO as the new base, but who's to say it won't be a base in a year or two.


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User currently offlineSacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

That is so funny. Yesterday I started a thread about the possibility of G4 going to MCO and now this. The people in my thread were not so optimistic that such a move would take place. Are you certain of the move?

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6414 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Thread starter):
PHX has also appeared on the new crew domicile bid sheet.

We're definately talking about Sky Harbor?



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Thread starter):
but I'm not sure how many and from who

Maybe they're going to be increasing utilization a little. Good to hear they are expanding into new destinations. What month are these bids going out for?


User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

PIE will have a schedule reduction in flights from 34 per week to 25. We will lose one of our three based birds. What is the delivery schedule for additional MD-80's for the remainder of the year? This kind of growth with new focus cities will require 6-8 aircraft and maybe redeploying additional ones.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

There was an Allegiant flight SFB-MCO MCO-SFB the other day. Proving flight? That's probably the only domestic airline I've never seen at MCO.

Also, what's wrong with SFB? If it wasn't for Allegiant and the few intl charters mostly during summer the airport would be empty. Could it be most of the area's population growth has been to the south of the Sanford area?


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 2):
Where did the gates come from?

My question exactly.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Whats' being cut from PIE? I hope they do well in FLL, it is a delay prone airport.

Also is there any equipment replacement for the MD-80 on the horizon or are they happy with them. They tend to be relative fuel hogs but they are paid for.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

How does FLL rank when it comes to costs associated with the airlines? I know cost was a big issue with G4 in RSW. Would have liked to see RSW as the new city, but congrats to FLL!

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

I'd love to see where they would go in MCO.

With Airtran moving to the old DL gates, B6 and WN taking the old FL gates in airside 4... There really aren't any gates for them to go to! There are a few here and there, but not as many as they would need/want, I'm sure!


User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

Like in that thread yesterday, I will continue to discount them moving to MCO until I see a G4 plane parked at an MCO airside. MCO and SFB are run by separate authorities -- I am certain any talk of them moving to MCO is to get a better incentives package out of SFB.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

For MCO gates, aren't there some still out on Airside 3? I believe all three piers have at least 2-3 gates open for use, so Allegiant, even with an operation that is a bit spread out, can still easily obtain 6-7 gates in Airside 3 for use if they choose to move to MCO - just 2-3 gates on each pier; not a big problem though since it's all the same airside, and Allegiant doesn't do connections in Orlando.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Reply 7):
PIE will have a schedule reduction in flights from 34 per week to 25.

Any dropped routes, or just frequency reductions?



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User currently onlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

I just started a new thread. Allegiant just announced flights from GSP to LAS starting Aug 23.

In terms of this thread.

FLL is interesting, my main doubt about this rumor has been the size, the info that has floated around was 5 flights a day which means it would start at the same size as the current PIE. That has caused me to have some doubts that it would be Allegiant. But if true it is an agressive start.

A move from SFB to MCO seems strange. Moving an entire operation like that is very unusual. And I also still wonder about the cost/benefit.

Allegiant did make a deal a few weeks ago with Kinder Morgan to move fuel between and store fuel in both Tampa and Orlando. The Orlando terminal is near MCO. So this may be where the talk of a MCO move is coming from. Does it mean a move? I don't know.

Phoenix area I have heard before although the previous leading contender was IWA. The thing about Phoenix for me though is USAir. That means they either do not add a second focus city from many of the west coast stations (FAT, COS, GJT, EUG, MFR) or they compete directly with US on those routes.

I'd still like to see them build on the west coast cities by adding a second destination. Maybe they need to look at finding a couple of hours to do things like a LAS-FAT-RNO-FAT-LAS run.

Aircraft? They just added #28 from AM. Aircraft #29 is on its way. The advice from the company has been they would be around 30 aircraft this year. But they have been shopping for more.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

I would be interested to see them move to MCO.....it is closer to the center of Orlando.

Let me start off by saying I will only truely believe it if I see some sort of official Confirmation, anyway, going on the thought this is all true:

What will the schedule reductions be to PIE?

When will new cities be announced for FLL?

Are they getting more Mad-Dogs any time soon?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 15):
Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Reply 7):
PIE will have a schedule reduction in flights from 34 per week to 25.

Any dropped routes, or just frequency reductions?

A couple of cities are "taking September off."

I know Peoria, Rockford drop reductions.

In the same breath Greensboro picks up.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4276 times:
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What airport would G4 fly to in the Phoenix area? PHX or Williams-Gateway?

User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

First things first, I am not trying to say I don't believe anything you just said, but could you provide some proof to your statements.

1) I can believe you if they are going into FLL. Seems logical and they would tie into the cruise liners down there. I too would've like to see RSW, and I do hope they make that move in the near future. RSW is a perfect fit for seasonal flights and would fit well in Concourse B out at RSW with USA3000 and AirTran and other LCCs.

2) I'm sorry, but until I see something official from Allegiant, I will not believe they are moving to MCO. It makes no since at all for them to move such a successful operation from a smaller airport with little competition to such a larger airport with so many hassles and so much more competition. Like FATFlyer said, maybe you are jumping the gun on this MCO thing, perhaps it just deals with the fuel and a rumor thread started on this site yesterday.

3) I can also believe that they have purchased additional aircraft. That was one of their top priorities when they began to sell ALGT. If they want to continue expanding like they are, then they need more aircraft.

Again I am not trying to say you are lying, but the thing with MCO seems like a big stretch for me. I have followed Allegiant for well over 2 and a half years now and I just don't see how they could make MORE money at MCO.



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
PHX or Williams-Gateway?

I think it would be nice if Allegiant was at Wiliams Gateway because then they would be the only carrier there and also they might attract some college students from ASU's Polytechnic campus which is right next to the airport. Which ever airport they choose, it would be nice to see Allegiant in Phoenix.


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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 20):
2) I'm sorry, but until I see something official from Allegiant, I will not believe they are moving to MCO. It makes no since at all for them to move such a successful operation from a smaller airport with little competition to such a larger airport with so many hassles and so much more competition.

I have been saying on here for a while that if G4 wants to be a real player in Orlando they will have to move to MCO.

While MCO is big, it is very convenient and easy to use, and also much closer to the trractions and hotels. SFB is smaller, limited conecessions, poor highway access and much further away. G4 is selling a package deal, therefore the competition doesnt affect then as much, and infact they may be more attractive if they offered the preferred orlando airport.



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

The more I think about it, the more I doubt FLL was a good choice for them. Most people in the Midwest and smaller towns favor laid back vacation destinations. The Southeast coast of Florida is definately not a laid back place to vacation. FLL is very crowded and I can't imagine G4 being very happy about that. How many people in G4's cities are actually going on cruises every week? Probably 20 on a good week. I don't think there is enough people in those cities to warrant service for the sole purpose of feeding the cruise lines. Is it a sure fact that G4's new city is FLL?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 23):
ow many people in G4's cities are actually going on cruises every week? Probably 20 on a good week.

There is a significant amount of cruise traffic. Don't underestimate this. FLL was the absolute logical choice for this expansion. It's a large market and, as a bonus, one that can offer strong traffic in both directions. Allegiant will probably concentrate on East Coast and Southeast destinations, with a few from the Midwest thrown in. Ft. Lauderdale is quite a laid-back area, it isn't South Beach.

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 23):
. Is it a sure fact that G4's new city is FLL?

Pretty much.



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25 CitrusCritter : FLL is about the opposite of what I consider laid-back. It is one of the most stressful places to get around and it's not nearly as tourist friendly
26 MAH4546 : I live in Miami. Ft. Lauderdale is a laid back place to vacation, it is ridiculous to argue otherwise. It has a little more glitz than Ft. Myers and
27 CitrusCritter : We obviously disagree on a definition of laid-back. There is no way the nightmare that is FLL is most folks' idea of laid-back. MYR is laid-back...FLL
28 MAH4546 : We'll have to agree to disagree here. I think the idea of calling "Disney World" laid back is insane (I'll be there tomorrow, and I certainly won't b
29 Post contains images Sflaflight : Well, Fort Lauderdale beach is more laid back than Miami Beach. It just is easier to get around. It is one main road. That is it. Except for the area
30 STLGph : It'll be interesting to see if they eliminate some out and return frequencies from Orlando and the St. Pete bases to put in additional frequency to Ft
31 RSWA330 : I have never met anyone that said Ft. Lauderdale was laid back. Met plenty who moved here who said it was a madhouse though.I'm sure there are not a
32 MAH4546 : It's twenty on a good day. You are looking at 70+ on a good day. For someone from the Midwest, FLL might not be laid back. This helps explain why Wes
33 YNGguins : Well I'd love to see Youngstown be added to the FLL Destinations, but let's see what we got right now! We have 2 flights to SFB, and only 2 flights t
34 RSWA330 : Not to drag this on, but G4 doesn't serve New York City, L.A., DC, or Philadelphia. It serves small/midsize cities in the Midwest and Northeast. Also
35 Georgebush : You did mean Northwest correct?? I dont serve much to the Northeast. Allegiant focus's mainly yes on bringing people to popular vacation spots quickl
36 Tornado82 : Allegiant may not serve PHL or NYC directly, but they do serve Allentown, and try to promote it as such. Their website used to say "Philadelphia area
37 CitrusCritter : Until recently that wasn't really true. Until the recent housing boom, Florida generally had very affordable real-estate. Obviously beachside and som
38 Hiflyer : Skybus and now G4 to FLL with MIA just a short way down I95 with the welcome mat out big time for just those type of carriers...obviously vastly under
39 Sinlock : If thats regarding FLL I would guess that space will be found at Concourse E. Most likely E-8, or E-10. E-8 most likely will not see much use from FL
40 STLGph : Everyone keeps asking about gates ... can Allegiant just use airstairs at FLL ... or no??
41 Georgebush : They can... But when some of the flights require up to 3 aisle chairs and over 10 wheelchairs, I dont think Allegiant will go for that. We boarded wi
42 Spinkid : You still need somewhere in the terminal for people to wait for the plane.
43 STLGph : It's amazing what you can do with a couple of feet of open space. True, but there are a few turns in Las Vegas and Orlando where the plane is idle fo
44 Georgebush : Those are their big hubs, I doubt that it will be and instant thing where FLL gets 15 to 20 turns a day!
45 Georgebush : I doubt they will even keep planes in FLL for a while. You might see a SFB-PIA flight then that tail will go PIA-FLL and then FLL-TOL TOL-SFB.
46 STLGph : I was wondering that myself (see reply 30). If they did it this way, it's a safe way of minimizing financial risks from the get go.
47 Georgebush : Yea, and I will be betting that they get contracts with like Disney and Carnival some of the more family orientented cruise lines, and offer cruise an
48 STLGph : Absolutely. It'll be interesting to see what type of cruise deals and contracts they can snag. Shouldn't be too difficult ... had a story a few weeks
49 Post contains links Jetpixx : This is all well and good...but how come there is nothing on www.allegiantair.com announcing anything to do with Fort Lauderdale? I would think they'd
50 FLLspoter : Not really man! Finally i get to see those nice birds in my hometown. Joe
51 STLGph : Someone at Allegiant seems to have forgotten that the best free advertising in the world is ... themselves. Every time they add a new city, you have
52 Georgebush : Well this information is def. not public yet. FLL is a new crew domicile for G4 and same with PHX. The employees at Allegiant no this to be ture, and
53 Post contains images CIDflyer : any updated news on when FLL could be potentially announced for G4? also, regarding a move from SFB to MCO, I really don't know about that. I just fle
54 ATCRick : Yet most every flight is full. Really really bad huh?
55 CIDflyer : ATCRick, nice to hear from you again. I finally got to take G4 to SFB, and I really enjoyed the flight! Great service! I have booked them again to LA
56 Post contains images FATFlyer : ATCRick, how are you? Long time no see on-line. I figured some of you were still lurking out there. My wife and I were thinking about booking a July t
57 STLGph : They're not advertising themselves on their own website. That's the first rule of thumb -- take advantage of your own free venues of advertising. And
58 Post contains links FATFlyer : Looks like the Roanoke newspaper decided to get out ahead of other mainstream media sources about possible FLL flights. I just read this quote in an a
59 JetBlueGuy2006 : If the FLL hype proves to be true, what are bets on the initial destinations? I would go with GSO ROA TOL LAN ABE Any other guesses?
60 Flyinryan99 : I would think RFD would go well before TOL.
61 JetBlueGuy2006 : Good point. It seems (from everything I read on here) that G4 has a huge customer base out of RFD....so that would make sense.
62 Mkirch72 : What statistics and sources do you have for this statement? "Most people in the midwest"???? That's over 60 million people. Some of the largest citie
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