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WN Celebrates 30 Years At ELP  
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Well,

It seems a cheeky little paragon of an airline has just celebrated its 30 year anniversary of serving my hometown:

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=6714157

Amongst the highlights: The station employees celebrated by breaking a piñata filled with, what else, peanuts  cool 

It's nice to see an airline that still pulls the employees together like family to celebrate milestones...

Here's to 30 more years of WN at the "Pass of the North"  champagne 


Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2017 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks ago) and read 1895 times:

Congrats to ELP and to WN. I'm old enough (and I'm only 26!) to remember the days back in the late 1980s and early 1990s when ELP was one of the airline's largest stations in terms of flights. This was back before BWI, MDW, LAS and PHX became top dogs. A look at the airline's route map from 1989 or 1990 (this was back when they still had route maps in their timetables; today their network is way too complicated) shows a ton of routes converging on ELP.

Interestingly, Southwest just announced that they're dropping MAF-ELP, which one of the first routes they started there. I remember flying LBB-ELP back in 1991 and being surprised at how full the flight was. Of course, many of those folks were probably continuing on to PHX and LAS from El Paso.


User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 1):
Interestingly, Southwest just announced that they're dropping MAF-ELP

Well that stinks. ELP-MAF-ELP on WN was my second set of flights EVER as a child. I remember those flights so vividly, flying to Midland and driving on from there to San Angelo.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5347 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

I'm sure I could look up past schedules and figure it out but does anyone know the high-water mark of flight departures that ELP has seen? And when it was? I can remember when SAN had 2, and even 3 I think, n/s to ELP on WN (plus we've had n/s service from AA and CO over the decades.) And I have no doubt that if more service appeared, there would be plenty of passengers to fill the seats (think: 2 M people living in Tijuana and how many in Juarez?)

I hope some day the money issues between WN and ELP get solved and I'm sure the service would bloom overnight!

Otherwise, if XE ever decides to start some routes that already see n/s service on other cx, I would expect ELP to figure large in such plans.

Congrat's to both WN and ELP on the anniversary!

bb


User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):

I hope some day the money issues between WN and ELP get solved

What are the money issues?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 4):
What are the money issues?

Well, word on the street is that ELP raised both it's landing fees and gate/ticket counter rental rates to cover costs after the big terminal rennovation in 1999-2000...and WN withheld big plans for ELP (like a massive ramp-up of flights) because of these issues, and ended up connecting many of these flights at ABQ and PHX instead.

The terminal rennovation was, IMHO, necessary, and in a poor town like El Paso, the money's gotta come from somewhere  Sad I think the city has already reaped immesurable benefits from the initial impression visitors have because of the rennovated terminal-it was such a dump before the rennovation.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 1):
nterestingly, Southwest just announced that they're dropping MAF-ELP



Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Otherwise, if XE ever decides to start some routes that already see n/s service on other cx, I would expect ELP to figure large in such plans.

Hmm...if MAF-ELP wasn't profitable using 737's, it would probably be quite profitable filling ERJ-145's...  scratchchin 

BTW, MAF-ELP has come and gone a few times in WN's route map. I think it kind of follows the boom-bust cycle in each town as far as being able to sustain profitable load factors...



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Thanks for the info, KELP  Smile You're right, the terminal HAD to be renovated...

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5347 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1649 times:

So KELP', do you happen to know what the high-point in number of departures was at ELP?

ELP certainly isn't alone in having issues with WN and costs/expenses (as I've posted on the other big WN thread going on now about "Growth and Brakes") but I'm sure that if the whatever-government entity involved with the airport could somehow get some cash into the picture and fees were to come down, WN would very quickly heat things up in the West Texas desert! It's a real shame that things have stagnated there -- ELP seems to be a perfect fit for WN...

bb


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
So KELP', do you happen to know what the high-point in number of departures was at ELP?

Good question. If I had to guestimate, I'd say it was in the upper 50's per day for passenger ops....stats at ELP are always a little hard to do because there's so much more freight operations at ELP since it serves as an airport of entry for Mexican air cargo bound for the US. I'd put the peak year at 2000...

From airnav.com (current statistics):
Aircraft operations: avg 320/day *
40% commercial
32% transient general aviation
18% air taxi
5% military
5% local general aviation

40%/2 (assuming departures=arrivals  Smile )=20% of 320= ~64 departues, however that doesn't break it down into freight vs. pax. And ELP is still a quite popular GA stop-off point for cross countries  Cool



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