Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
UA 762s To LHR  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

It would appear that UA operated "A" market 767-200s to LHR at one point in the early 90s. Where did these flights originate - and did the "A" market 767-200 have any trouble making it to London in terms of range, weight restrictions, etc.?


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © David Oates



29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6292 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

As far as I am aware, UA actually updgrade a number of their 767-222 fleet to 'ER' models for the European operations.


111,732,3,4,5,7,8,BBJ,741,742,743,744,752,762,763,764,772,77L,773,77W,L15,D10,30,40,AB3,AB6,A312.313,319,320,321,332,333
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6254 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

They were not actually "ER" models, but they were over-water equipped to allow for trans-Atlantic operation. The over-water units were known internally as "767-MV" and the non-overwater was "767-MT".

I imagine they flew from IAD and JFK and I imagine they did it fine.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

United commenced its first European service using its fleet of 762s in 1990 to Paris and Frankfurt.

In later years the 762 was used near exclusively on the multiple frequency JFK-LHR service.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I remember seeing them at JFK all the time bound for LHR. At one point, UA had 4 flights per day on this route. Too bad that those days are gone.

I used to think of UA's operation at JFK as being almost all 767, now it's almost all 757.



LHR - The Capital of the World
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

United began their services to Europe with the 762; as pointed out above, UA upgraded a number of their 767-200s to ETOPS standard and modified the airplanes for greater range. (Some but not all of UA's 762s were upgraded.) The upgraded UA 762s were not true ER models, and had less range and capability than factory build 762-200ERs, but were more than capable of operating routes from ORD/IAD/JFK to the UK and cities in northern Europe.

I believe that ORD-FRA and ORD-CDG were UA's first two services to Europe and both were initially flown with the 762s. The 762s later flew a number of transatlantic routes out of IAD (some of which are no longer flown) and the 762s operated UA's JFK-Heathrow service for years and years. Three 762s per day operated JFK-LHR including a daylight flight.....the 762s were perfect for UA's operation on the route: low capacity, ample room for a F cabin and J class cabin and limited coach seating. A good portion of UA's JFK-London traffic was business travellers (UA had contracts with many large companies which utilized the service) and the 762 allowed UA to offer frequency and premium cabin service without flooding the market with lots of economy seats (UA did not compete strongly with AA and BA in the JFK-London market). There are many stories of the UA JFK-London flights going out filled to capacity in F and J, with only a handful of pax in the Y cabin. When UA retired their 762s and assigned larger aircraft to the JFK-London route, things went wrong and UA for a variety of reasons turned the route over to Delta which is another story in itself. UA also flew EWR-London with a 762 for many years.

Note that TW upgraded all of their early build 762s to ER standard and AA upgraded some of their early build 762s to ER standard......I think this was a more extensive upgrade than UA undertook with its airplanes as AA and TW's airplanes were considered ERs after the work was completed. That being said, factory build 762ERs were more capable than any of the converted A market airplanes.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

United operated, at its peak, 3 nonstop flights daily from JFK to LHR. The fourth NYC-LHR service was operated from Newark. United operated a daylight service, UA 976, and two evening departures, at roughly 7:00pm and 9:00pm. The Newark flight operated with the 777.

The daylight flight was the first to be axed, followed by the EWR flight, and finally, one of the remaining two overnight flights from JFK was cut.

United operated the 767-300 and 777 on the JFK-LHR runs though the first years following the Pan Am acquisition, UA flew the 767-200's that were modified. The EWR-LHR route was flown initially with a 747-SP.


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

a flight attendant friend of mine told me that the 762's were doing BOS-LHR when he was based out of BOS, and also that due to galley constraints that not all cabins were able to receive hot meals...

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 7):
a flight attendant friend of mine told me that the 762's were doing BOS-LHR when he was based out of BOS, and also that due to galley constraints that not all cabins were able to receive hot meals...

Did UA use the 762s on BOS-London (did UA fly BOS-London, cant seem to remember that but I could be wrong)?

Everyone got a hot meal......I have no idea how the F/A came up with that - did he or she ever fly the 762?


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Crikey, the UA 762's brings back memories. I certainly flew on them on the JFK-LHR route on a number of occasions. These were the days they served caviar in F.............now we are really going back!!

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 7):
a flight attendant friend of mine told me that the 762's were doing BOS-LHR when he was based out of BOS, and also that due to galley constraints that not all cabins were able to receive hot meals...

If they could serve hot meals to everyone on a full JFK-LAX/SFO flight, I imagine they could do the same for BOS-LHR for at least the main course. I could see Economy getting a cold breakfast or pre-arrival snack while First and Business received a warm one, but I doubt highly Economy received a cold main meal...


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
If they could serve hot meals to everyone on a full JFK-LAX/SFO flight, I imagine they could do the same for BOS-LHR for at least the main course. I could see Economy getting a cold breakfast or pre-arrival snack while First and Business received a warm one, but I doubt highly Economy received a cold main meal...

 checkmark 


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

On 1 January 1994 there were 14 UA flights into LHR. Eight of these were 762s. In order of arrival these were:

UA920 IAD-LHR (N610UA)
UA906 EWR-LHR ((N607UA)
UA934 LAX-LHR (with intermediate stop?) (N655UA)
UA900 JFK-LHR (N606UA)
UA902 JFK-LHR (N608UA)
UA907 BRU-LHR (N652UA)
UA935 FRA-LHR (N607UA)
UA971 LIN-LHR (N646UA)

There were three incoming UA 747 flights:

UA920 IAD-LHR (N157UA)
UA930 SFO-LHR (N159UA)
UA932 SEA-LHR (N147UA)

The remaining three UA flights were operated with 722s:

UA919 MUC-LHR (N7640U)
UA933 ???-LHR (N7457U)
UA903 HAM-LHR (N7252U)


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
f they could serve hot meals to everyone on a full JFK-LAX/SFO flight

you have a very good point... he was prob wrong then..?

i could have sworn UA flew BOS-LHR

i just googled and found a website that had a press release from 2000 saying that flight 999 had a year of success inbetween BOS and LHR... i don't know how reliable of a source it was as when i clicked i got one of those pop ups telling me that it wanted to clean my computer...


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
N655UA



Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
N652UA



Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
N646UA

These are all 767-300s, not 762s.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 13):
i just googled and found a website that had a press release from 2000 saying that flight 999 had a year of success inbetween BOS and LHR...

I could be wrong but IIRC, whilst loads were good, yields were not that great on the flights. UA relied heavily on filling the belly on those flights but in the end they they in the towel as they could not compete against AA and BA on the route.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 13):
i could have sworn UA flew BOS-LHR

We did fly BOS-LHR with a 767-300. At about the same time we started the flight. We also built the widebody hangar at BOS.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 16):
We did fly BOS-LHR with a 767-300.

 checkmark 

I flew the route a few times, and I would still fly it if UA hadn't cancel it (UA: you have a lot to answer for!!!). The flight from LHR left, IIRC, at 11am and go into Boston around 1pm. The return left maybe around 7pm and got into LHR around 630am or so. I think the reasons UA might have been at a disadvantage compared to the other airlines that flew that route (AA, BA, VS) is because they all had better frequencies than UA (which only had the one flight). Nevertheless, that flight had worked for me and it's a shame UA doesn't fly it any more.

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 7):
a flight attendant friend of mine told me that the 762's were doing BOS-LHR when he was based out of BOS, and also that due to galley constraints that not all cabins were able to receive hot meals...

I always did the route on a B763 and we always got a hot lunch in Y (and maybe a pre-landing cold snack; but I'm not 100% about the latter).

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 15):

I could be wrong but IIRC, whilst loads were good, yields were not that great on the flights

I can't say anything about the yields, but whenever I flew the flight it was always totally full (even when I flew it 3 or 4 weeks after 9/11/01).

Tony



Nikon: we don't want more pixels, we want better pixels.
User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

As previously stated, UA did convert some of their 762s to ETOPS standard and added center tanks to give them additional range, but none of them were converted to ERs. I was involved in a deal to sell a number of these aircraft, so I know a fair amount about UAs 762s.

The 762s were very useful on routes that were thin but needed the range. The "A" model that was referred to had a range of around 4000mi and the model with the extra tanks bought them an extra 1000 miles or so. In the deal I was working, the aircraft was to be used from western Africa to east coast of the US and it didn't have the range to make it nonstop with a full payload.

UA used these aircraft both in the Europe and South America markets. As they started to receive the 777s, the 762s were retired as they ran out of time and those that still had significant life in them (the reconverted ones mostly) were used on the SFO/LAX-JFK markets and the International service was used on those routes. I flew that several times between SFO and JFK while I worked in SFO; the aircraft were definitely aged, but the service was phenominal, F class on that route was heaven... (full international service in all cabins). Comfort level was still quite high, even in Economy. Eventually, the 762s ran out of time and were too expensive to put through the C checks and operate, so they retired them entirely.

The 752 ps operation has been a superb replacement for the 762; the level of service on board those flights is equal to any international product out there and is clearly the best domestic product flying. In fact, I have advocated the use of some of those ps 757s on thin markets to Europe. The reduced payload with the ps product gives the aircraft the additional range required to make Europe and (someone from UA on this forum please correct me), I believe some of those aircraft are already ETOPS operable. UA has a very high number of 757s (when I did the analysis for a.net, there were about 150 in the fleet...there may be fewer now) relative to its total fleet size so if they wanted to mount a 757 operation across the pond, I'm sure they could pull it off.

My last flight on UA was in C class on a 762 from JFK-SFO and was one of the best C class trips I've had in a number of years. A great aircraft...as is the 763.

baw716



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
UA also flew EWR-London with a 762 for many years.

Interesting. I remember them flying 747SP and thought they jumped directly to the 777.

Anybody know for how long UA operated 762 on EWR-LHR?


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
UA906 EWR-LHR ((N607UA)



Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
Interesting. I remember them flying 747SP and thought they jumped directly to the 777.

Anybody know for how long UA operated 762 on EWR-LHR?

I too remember the 747SP flying EWR-LHR, I believe at the time UA was also flying EWR-NRT with the 747SP as well. I cannot remember exactly when the SPs left the UA fleet (by the late 1980s?)......but I believe that EWR-LHR operated by UA with the 762 inbetween the 747SP leaving the route and the 772 being introduced to the route. There were some years inbetween.

Around the same time, wasnt AA flying EWR-LHR with the A300?


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
UA919 MUC-LHR (N7640U)
UA933 ???-LHR (N7457U)
UA903 HAM-LHR (N7252U)

TXL-LHR was another route operated with 727's. Not sure of the flight numbers, but I took it in May '93.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
Around the same time, wasnt AA flying EWR-LHR with the A300?

Yes AA operated the A300 on the EWR/JFK/BOS-LHR segments when they were in a widebody shortage in the late 1990s and early 2000s. But I think when AA first started this route they flew it on 762s and 763s. And the A300s were operated until sometime in 2001 when they switched over to 763s until the route was dropped altogether in 2003. I remember reading that AA operated a 777 on this route for a few months, but I'm not sure if this was ever a reality (but it was in the schedules before the route was dropped.)

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 16):
We did fly BOS-LHR with a 767-300. At about the same time we started the flight. We also built the widebody hangar at BOS.

Is the widebody hangar still in operation at BOS or did they stop using it just like their cargo and hangar facilities at EWR?



"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2829 times:

I believe we still use the hangar. We have over 100 mechanics in BOS still.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2793 times:

Did the 762s ever fly MIA-GIG?

25 StarGoldLHR : I remember the 767's on the LHR-NYC run all the time. Ive flown that route more than 20+ times in the last few years... saw service go from a decent p
26 Dutchjet : I flew MIA-GIG with a 763ER on UA back in 2001.....the MIA-Latin America routes saw a variety of equipment after UA took the routes over from Pan Am,
27 DC8FanJet : "The 752 ps operation has been a superb replacement for the 762; the level of service on board those flights is equal to any international product ou
28 VV701 : I believe the first UA BOS-LHR-BOS was on 4/5 April 1999 - effectively the start of the 1999 summer timetable. That first rotation on this service wa
29 ContinentalEWR : UA never flew BOS-LHR with the 762. The Boston-Heathrow route was launched in 1997 or 1998 and it was very short lived. It was axed well before 9/11.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
UA Routes To LHR posted Sat Dec 22 2001 23:52:57 by 777kicksass
Why No Non-stop UA Flights To DEN From LHR? posted Wed Jan 31 2007 01:01:46 by 8herveg
When Did UA Begin Service To LHR From ORD? posted Mon Nov 27 2006 00:23:17 by Sdate747
UA Cutting Service To LHR? posted Sun Aug 6 2006 21:43:26 by Swank300
Inaugural UA/AA Flights To LHR posted Wed Feb 1 2006 04:20:56 by ZChannel
UA Flight LAX-LHR Diverted To BOS-security 7/26 posted Tue Jul 26 2005 13:38:12 by LTBEWR
Booking DEN To LHR On UA June 13-June 26 posted Thu May 26 2005 21:53:05 by F9HNLPLZ
UA And Their Fake One-stop Flights To LHR posted Fri Apr 8 2005 11:19:33 by UpperDeck79
UA Unused Frequencies To LHR? posted Mon Nov 15 2004 05:53:02 by Ezra
Why Does UA Only Fly To LHR In The UK posted Wed Nov 7 2001 17:27:53 by Arsenal@LHR