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Delta's New DXB Service  
User currently offlineJtl11968 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

I'm going to Dubai on Friday night from ATL and flying via LGW on DL58 then onto EK16. When I return on June 6th, I'll take DL7, the new nonstop service to ATL. A friend who is an F/A with DL checked on that return flight and said it's overbooked. I'm happy that DL chose a profitable route but find it unusual that a new route would be a) full and b) oversold.

Why would revenue mgmt overbook the flight when they have no history to know how many no shows they will have?

Has the service been heavily booked since it began in May or is this particular day a one-off? I am silver medallion and travelling with my mother who is not. If I get bumped up, do you think they will kindly move her up as well? If not, I'll be a good son and give her the seat but it would be nice to spend the 15hr flight in a comfortable seat since I am 6'2".

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

I tried to Non Rev on this flight the other day and could not get on as it was heavily booked, had 10 tons of cargo, and was ultimately weight restricted. I believe all revenue psgrs were accomodated but none of the 24 NRSA's. I had to fly from DXB to AMS on KL and then on to ATL. The flight from ATL was also heavily booked, only a few seats open going over. All in all, these flights are doing gangbusters. But, NRSA's beware on the return leg--have some backups planned.

[Edited 2007-06-28 05:02:17]

User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting Jtl11968 (Thread starter):
If I get bumped up, do you think they will kindly move her up as well? If not, I'll be a good son and give her the seat but it would be nice to spend the 15hr flight in a comfortable seat since I am 6'2".

I seriously doubt it. I would plan on the "good son" plan.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Do you have status with DL or a SkyTeam partner? If not, chances are elites will get any bump ups that happen.. if they happen
-A



What now?
User currently offlinePanaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Speaking of DXB as an American do I need a visa to get into DXB.


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User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Jtl11968 (Thread starter):
Why would revenue mgmt overbook the flight when they have no history to know how many no shows they will have?

Isnt't the job of Revenue Management is to oversale every flight?


User currently offlineEYFlyer88 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting Panaman (Reply 4):
Speaking of DXB as an American do I need a visa to get into DXB.

Nope.. they will just stamp your passport for entry when you land in DXB.



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Quoting Jtl11968 (Thread starter):
I'm happy that DL chose a profitable route but find it unusual that a new route would be a) full and b) oversold.

Everything across the Atlantic is full this time of year.

Quoting Jtl11968 (Thread starter):
Why would revenue mgmt overbook the flight when they have no history to know how many no shows they will have?

$.



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 1):
had 10 tons of cargo

Wow...I bet that is helping DL make money on this route!



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User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting Jtl11968 (Thread starter):
Why would revenue mgmt overbook the flight when they have no history to know how many no shows they will have?



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
$.

 checkmark  And because there's always going to be no-shows, regardless of the route.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 9):
And because there's always going to be no-shows, regardless of the route.

Don't entirely agree on that one, but for the most part it's true.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
Everything across the Atlantic is full this time of year.

This is not the peak season for travel to DXB.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Does anybody know percentage of the pax are O&D from ATL?

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Every airline has no show information on every route.... some are guesses and some are more refined.

And remember that DL has served DXB before w/ one-stop service via CAI.

Revenue mgmt started to build history the day the first flight operated... and every new departure is add'l history.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
And remember that DL has served DXB before w/ one-stop service via CAI.

..I remember back in 2001 seeing a DL tri-jet there..I had no idea at the time they were serving DXB..it was a shocker... Wow!

.that being said, I'm glad DL is ostensibly doing well on the route..hope it stays that way... Smile



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User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 1):
I tried to Non Rev on this flight the other day and could not get on as it was heavily booked, had 10 tons of cargo, and was ultimately weight restricted. I believe all revenue psgrs were accomodated but none of the 24 NRSA's. I had to fly from DXB to AMS on KL and then on to ATL.

I had a co-worker who also tried to non-rev on this flight and the same thing happened to her - no NRSA's were accomodated due to weight and balance and she too had to come home through AMS.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 6):
Nope.. they will just stamp your passport for entry when you land in DXB.

Actually, you do need a visa to get into DXB. You can get it in country, though. If I remember correctly it is $28 if you purchase at the airport.

DL Passport & visa requirements


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 16):
Actually, you do need a visa to get into DXB. You can get it in country, though. If I remember correctly it is $28 if you purchase at the airport.

I never had to do this when I took this flight.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 16):
Actually, you do need a visa to get into DXB. You can get it in country, though. If I remember correctly it is $28 if you purchase at the airport.

I never had to do this when I took this flight.

I've been to DXB no less than 1/2 dozen times...always got my visa at DXB airport for no cost.. yes 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 16):
Actually, you do need a visa to get into DXB. You can get it in country, though. If I remember correctly it is $28 if you purchase at the airport.

Negative. There is no charge for US citizens visiting the country for less than 60 days. No special arrangement is needed to obtain an entry Visa as it is stamped in your passport at the DXB immigration desk. I was cleared through immigration/customs in about 5 minutes. Very simple, hassle free process.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I've been to DXB no less than 1/2 dozen times...always got my visa at DXB airport for no cost..

Coming from? Citizenship?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Great to see DXB is working for Delta! Big grin Does anyone know how their new PRG (Prague) flight from ATL is doing as well as OTP and PSA (Bucharest and Pisa) from JFK!

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 19):
Negative. There is no charge for US citizens visiting the country for less than 60 days.

I thought I read somewhere that the charge was $28, but I guess that was for non US citizens? At any rate, sorry for the confusion.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 21):
Does anyone know how their new PRG (Prague) flight from ATL is doing as well as OTP and PSA (Bucharest and Pisa) from JFK!

I was looking at taking my last trip of the summer in August before I have to go back to school. I've looked at PRG, OTP, PSA, IST, etc, and all seem to be full or close to full, and that's for a flight more than a month away! So I would imagine that the flight would be doing well, although I don't know overall as I only checked a few dates.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I've been to DXB no less than 1/2 dozen times...always got my visa at DXB airport for no cost..

Coming from? Citizenship?

Coming from Asia, Europe, and United States..with US Passport...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

There are questions on the entry requirements regarding a visa requirement to the UAE, the answer is it depends, apply your situation to the link below:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1050.html



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
25 WorldTraveler : One of the investment houses put a note out today saying they expect DL to outperform the industry on RASM growth and that DL still has considerable u
26 Post contains images 747fan : Glad to hear Delta's new international routes are performing well - and great that Delta's had such a successful expansion internationally out of JFK
27 Post contains links Star_world : It's UK citizens that get additional "benefits" for entry into UAE, not US. There are 33 countries that effectively do not need any sort of visa to e
28 B767300ER : As a F/A working the ATL-DXB services for the month of June, the westbound flights have had a higher passenger load. On the three trips I worked, the
29 Evan767 : I think all of those are potential Delta routes, especially if what WorldTraveler above said is true, that Delta is only halfway through with the exp
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