Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Video Of The 7 Hour Ground Delay DL JFK-DFW  
User currently offlineMneo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11747 times:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R06dAgpmmbg
I really dont know what to say.

[Edited 2007-06-28 08:29:13]


Powered by Maina
90 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11729 times:

Wow, I flew on Comair JFK-BTV that night and remember that same seizure holding us up.. on a Freedom plane. We only spent 1:30 in line though  Sad, no mechanical to hold us up, and only got into the game at 8pm.

[Edited 2007-06-28 08:45:10]


What now?
User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11638 times:

No biggie. Happened to a bunch more guys at JFK tonight.


If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11583 times:

Wow, what a terrible situation. Thanks for sharing the video.


[Edited 2007-06-28 10:07:35] Typo

[Edited 2007-06-28 10:09:33]


"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11537 times:

Wow, JFK is such a craphole. I'll never fly out of JFK since my last two recent flights with Delta were terrible. A 3 hour delay on a flight to Manchester, UK and on a JFK-DCA flight were Comair suddenly cancelled our flight due to maintenance but managed to get us on another flight from LGA-DCA on Shuttle that leaves in 2 hours. We all made it to LGA with only 10 minutes before that Shuttle flight left. When i finally made it home to DC, my original flight from JFK-DCA was only an hour and 30 minutes late. So, Comair had lied to us and Comair did a really piss poor job with our transportation from JFK to LGA. But, for seven hours?!? That's insane. I think if that was me, I would've lost all my respect for Shuttle America at all.

[Edited 2007-06-28 10:46:49]

User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11341 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Here's this from June 21st... stuck on a Comair airplane at JFK for four hours with no air conditioning until they finally allowed passengers to deplane.

(story and video)

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/topstories_story_179022614.html


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2983 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

Note how DL doesn't get any coverage while JetBlue got tons.

 crazy 

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11096 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 6):
Note how DL doesn't get any coverage while JetBlue got tons.

It is called Maximization of Crews, and sadly Delta and their renewed image are being killed in the New York market. I have 3 colleagues that were to fly Delta from JFK-LAS, due to the video seen about the ComAir flight they decided to cancel their tickets and rebook onboard Jet Blue. Time is money, to blame ATC for everything is a bunch of crap..

This is going to continue. Delta will continue to have these problems until they get their house in order.

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
No biggie. Happened to a bunch more guys at JFK tonight

And will continue to happen until someone in Congress does something about it..

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
I flew on Comair

That is a problem in and of itself..

-JD


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Notice how the 4 hour delay on Comair got much more attention than the 7 hour Shuttle America delay to DFW, and they actually flew!
Then again, OH didn't have working A/C and there were vomiting pax.

Did anyone else here really like the F/A (with the Spanish accent)? I felt like he was really trying under the circumstances. The captain who "timed out" also seemed like he was legitimately concerned, unlike the Comair pilots on JFK-DTW's indifference.

-A



What now?
User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6043 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
The captain who "timed out" also seemed like he was legitimately concerned, unlike the Comair pilots on JFK-DTW's indifference.

I'm sure you would sound indifferent, too, if you had some guy barge into the cockpit and demanding answers to questions that could not be answered within the amount of time this guy wanted them. Not to mention that becuase of the storm, the passengers could not be let off of the aircraft. What was he to do? Passengers throwing up does NOT constitute an emergency need to evacuate the passengers from the aircraft.



Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11022 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
Did anyone else here really like the F/A (with the Spanish accent)? I felt like he was really trying under the circumstances.

That was the captain who replaced the timed-out captain.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
And will continue to happen until someone in Congress does something about it.

 checkmark  I agree. Reactions such as...

Quoting Mneo (Thread starter):
I really dont know what to say.

...are helpless because this kind of thing happens all the time, we're just usually not aware of it. Whenever storms roll through someone always ends up sitting on the ramp for 5 hours.



If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10992 times:

The whoe NE region of the country really got hammered last night from severe storms - there were quite a few power outages in Manhattan and I heard some of the subway was even down for a while! Wow!

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

The guy with an accent was a captain? Because they were on the P/A I assumed it was an F/A..

Still, it seems like the pilots were really concerned. No FAs to be seen though.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10839 times:

the whole thing must have really sucked but at least they were keeping the passengers infromed since there really was nothing the crew could do, bummer!

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
Not to mention that becuase of the storm, the passengers could not be let off of the aircraft.

First time I've ever heard that a bus is inoperable in the rain.

Why do some people just continuously make excuses for the airlines here? People drive in rain all the time, people walk in rain all the time. If you can't fly in rain, then get the people off the plane. It is just not that difficult of a concept to grasp.



I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
I have 3 colleagues that were to fly Delta from JFK-LAS, due to the video seen about the ComAir flight they decided to cancel their tickets and rebook onboard Jet Blue. Time is money, to blame ATC for everything is a bunch of crap..

Hopefully they didn't fly last night, when the jetBlue flights were 5 hours late. jetBlue flights are not free from weather and ATC delays. Blaming ATC is not crap. The weather is crap, and ATC has to adjust, and passengers suffer. It is not jetBlue's, Delta's, or anyone's fault; it's just the way the weather works.

The lesson to be learned is, if flying into New York in the summer, make sure you arrive and depart before 3 PM, and fly through any other airport if connecting.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 14):
First time I've ever heard that a bus is inoperable in the rain.

If the ramp is closed, no one can be outside. How does one get to a bus? By walking outside. The ramp is closed for their safety. If someone were struck by lightning or had a cone blown into them and sued, everyone would be saying they should have been left on the plane. There is no way to make everyone happy.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10717 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
And will continue to happen until someone in Congress does something about it..

And by that I hope you mean the new user fee system to modernize the ATC system, and NOT the passenger bill of rights. Congress does not need to be legislating customer service levels for private industry.


User currently offlineIPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 4):
I think if that was me, I would've lost all my respect for Shuttle America at all.

Hmmm, maybe no comment is needed.  Smile

I really liked the fact that they put subtitles in the video for the Captain's PA announcements, which were (sort of) in English.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
And will continue to happen until someone in Congress does something about it..

Short of outlawing bad weather, Congress can't do much for many cases. Some of the ideas being circulated simply imply in a massive growth of preventive cancellations. Lots more passengers would see their flights cancelled and with a slight shift in weather those cancellations would have proved unnecessary.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 17):
And by that I hope you mean the new user fee system to modernize the ATC system,

Now, that would be something positive - but not a fix to most bad weather meltdowns.



Stop pop up ads
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4001 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10504 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 19):
Short of outlawing bad weather

You can't outlaw bad weather, but you can outlaw overcapacity scheduling, and in my opinion, that would be a great start. I can't think of a single reason why airlines ought to be allowed to schedule more flights in and out of an airport than the runway capacity and landing procedures allow for. Of course, how you determine the capacity threshold (absolute capacity, average historical capacity for the month/season, somewhat arbitrary number, etc...) and how you allocate it is a debate unto itself.

Wasn't it CO that at one time had just by itself more flights scheduled to leave EWR within a 60-minute period of the evening bank than the entire runway capacity ?



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10473 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 7):
And will continue to happen until someone in Congress does something about it..

Well, that wins the "Misguided Statement of the Month" award. Congress doesn't understand the industry and legislating something like aircraft delays is like telling a chef to be a police officer. The real problem stems from the fact that this flight was operated by Shuttle America for Delta. Delta doesn't really care because the flight, operationally, has very little to do with DL aside from a flight number. As far as they're concerned, once the a/c has pushed back, it's out of their hair. The real problem is that airlines (CO, NW, AA are probably the lone exceptions) generally do have that attitude towards the regionals flying for them.

As for comaparing the to the Jetblue incident several months ago, it really doesn't compare at all.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 17):
Congress does not need to be legislating customer service levels for private industry.

What happened on that plane was nothing short of holding people hostage. If the passengers wanted to deboard the aircraft they should have been allowed to. The excuse of no gate space is a bunch of garbage. Air Stairs are readily available at JFK, as are mobile lounges, buses, and transports to the terminal for stranded passengers, as were on this flight. The problem is that airlines max out the equipment to a point that one plane out of service causes the entire deck of cards to crumble. I cannot see how these kinds of incidents will be allowed to continue without a long-term solution coming into play.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
As for comaparing the to the Jetblue incident several months ago, it really doesn't compare at all.

So True.. As Jet Blue at least fed and offered beverages, entertained with PTV, to the passengers aboard the plane..

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
Delta doesn't really care because the flight, operationally, has very little to do with DL aside from a flight number. As far as they're concerned, once the a/c has pushed back, it's out of their hair.

That is the attitude that drives customers, even the most loyal customers to other airlines. The approach that AA, CO, and NW have to their regionals is much more cordial, and thus why these kinds of incidents are not happening on those airlines for the most part. In the long run if this continues I can see we will be expecting weekly reports on stranded Comair and Shuttle America pax at JFK. Regional or not, Delta has to be feeling the heat of these recent incidents..

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 19):
Lots more passengers would see their flights cancelled and with a slight shift in weather those cancellations would have proved unnecessary.

At an airport like JFK why is it that Delta cant fill a MD88 or 738 to Dallas? It amazes me to see that almost all of Delta Air Lines recent domestic growth has come on the backs of the Barbie and Jungle Jets. Do we need another one of these flights at JFK, EWR, or LGA? I hope the answer is no!

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 17):
I hope you mean the new user fee system to modernize the ATC system, and NOT the passenger bill of rights.

So we are to blame the ATC for all of the problems?? Well that would be inaccurate at best. Airlines have grown their schedules so bloated, and so frequent that ATC cant keep up with it. Unless there is a ton of money invested in ATC in the next few years, instead of expanding airlines are going to have to decrease frequency in favor of larger equipment, most notably in the NYC market. The system can only handle so much. ATC is not the sole person to blame, the airlines and their adoration for small planes at redundant frequencies have choked airports like JFK, EWR, and LGA.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
The lesson to be learned is, if flying into New York in the summer, make sure you arrive and depart before 3 PM, and fly through any other airport if connecting.

Newark on average sees delays of 1 hour more than JFK..

-JD


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10286 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 22):
So True.. As Jet Blue at least fed and offered beverages, entertained with PTV, to the passengers aboard the plane..

Now JetBlue is the good guy, and Delta (insert regional partner) is the bad buy? Last February, opinions were very very different.

-------------

Look, what happened on that airplane was horrible, get the pax off of the airplane until there is a reasonable expectation that the flight can depart.....clearly, at a certain point in this flight's story, there were no pilots to fly the airplane to Dallas, the crew was timing out and the new pilots were at EWR, so why hold the passengers on board in uncomfortable seats without food? (I dont even want to think about those little kids....I dont know if it was worse for the kids or the pax listening to their cries.) I agree with you, the ""NO GATE"" excuse is nonsense. Get the pax off of the airplane until (1) there are pilots to fly the airplane and (2) the flight is 100% ready to taxi to the runway (if the flight is number 30 for take-off at that point, there is little that can be done, but a one hour wait onboard is very different than sitting on an airplane for 6 hours withing pissing distance of the terminal and not being let off.)

Maybe we need more regional jets creating congestion at major airports? While we cant control the weather, and ATC does the best it can with these difficult situations, something eventually has to be done about airport congestion.

This really isnt about Delta, or Comair, or JetBlue or any other airline, its about a system that is not working. Mistakes were made in this situation, but the bigger problem is how to deal with prolonged delays such as this due to conditions out of the airlines' control.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 14):
First time I've ever heard that a bus is inoperable in the rain.

True. The only other question I had was visibilty on the runways. It looked fine when they were parked on the ramp...


25 FLYGUY767 : I am not saying anyone is good or bad.. What I was saying was that JetBlue outwardly was doing more its passengers than Delta(Shuttle America), was d
26 AirTranTUS : Newark = New York City Metro Area, which I meant. My statement should probably go for PHL as well, but PHL has other reasons why it should be avoided
27 Positiverate : So you agree with me then. Their needs to be a significant investment made in the ATC system and in the airports to increase capacity. Few, if any, t
28 Positiverate : They're not? I've sat in DTW on a NW Airlink CRJ for 3 hours because lightning was in the area and no one could marshal us in. I've sat in line at JF
29 FLYGUY767 : It appears my words have not come across in the manner I was trying to express. What I was trying to say was that the trend of holding passengers hos
30 Positiverate : Go back and read the whole post: So airlines, who exist to turn a profit, are not supposed to meet demand? That's ludicrous. And you want airlines to
31 FLYGUY767 : I have read the post.. The response given was that the airline is in part to blame for maxing out its fleet, at an overextended airport such as JFK.
32 EA772LR : "Why do some people just continuously make excuses for the airlines" I agree. There was absolutely NO reason those people should have gone through tha
33 Post contains links BOACVC10 : I guess one has to be very naive in their experiences or just plain ignorant of the available GSE in use in various airports worldwide. YOU CAN GET C
34 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : 100% Agreed The poor airline excuse is used at time when the airlines are partially to blame. By no means are mechanical, fleet maximization, or crew
35 Tockeyhockey : honestly, it's only a matter of time until one of these situations turns into a riot, or a passenger pulling the emergency exit handle. i know i would
36 FLYGUY767 : Sad thing is that it would appear they dont want to incurr the cost and that truely is sad.. -JD
37 F9Animal : Was that a CRJ? I bet the passengers could not even walk off the plane when it landed. I spent 4 hours on a CRJ-900, and I almost needed an ambulance
38 FURUREFA : I think he has a French accent. He seemed to be doing his best with an uncooperative company! Matt
39 Movingtin : It's amazing how far out of touch with reality some of the peeps on this board are! You want congress to fix the problem? I agree, after working in th
40 Post contains images GQfluffy : You people amaze me. You people are bitching about people being "held hostage", airlines purposely doing this, not blaming ATC, not blaming weather, j
41 Positiverate : AND, ATC (i.e. the Government) is in part to blame for not creating a system that is able to meet the capacity demands put upon it. That is why you h
42 Positiverate : 1) I will cede the point on mechanicals. 2) What do you define "fleet maximization" as? 3) Is it the fault of ATC when a crew times out after pushing
43 UN_B732 : I agree, but also the airlines are at least partially at fault here - knowing the capacity of JFK throwing flight after flight after flight onto its c
44 EMBQA : I give the first Captain a lot of respect for addressing his passengers face to face.
45 Post contains images Vega9000 : Agreed. This is like watching an accident happen in slow motion. You know it's going to happen, that people will probably be hurt, or somebody is goi
46 Wjcandee : I think this is more a matter of Shuttle America just being a disorganized mess. I flew them back and forth to Dallas. The crews were nice people, and
47 Evan767 : Stay away from JFK. Always. Unless you are forced to, simply don't connect through JFK, it's a bitch. I really wish that airports CVG and ATL would ju
48 Positiverate : Fair point, but which airline is going to be the first to cede market share in an effort to reduce capacity? No one airline is going to unilaterally
49 Post contains images GQfluffy : Next you'll hear that the pilots got to stretch their legs but the passengers supposedly didn't...
50 Tockeyhockey : it is an impossible situation because the airlines have allowed it to become an impossible situation. there is no reason for this much of a breakdown
51 Positiverate : You absolutely should expect it. However, when factors outside the airline's control (weather, ATC delays) cause the delay, you also should be reason
52 Incitatus : Runway capacity is a function of weather and for very bad weather the capacity is zero. The airport closes. The ramp workers have to stay inside for
53 COflyerBOS : Uh, can you really not get food at JFK after 9 pm? I find that VERY hard to believe. After 5 or so hours on the plane, I would have been very upset to
54 Wjcandee : No. I'm faulting the one guy for spending twenty minutes wagging his johnson at the flight attendant while we sat there unserved.
55 ArcrftLvr : Give me a break...Did you watch the video? I didn't see any lighting...In fact, I didn't even see any rain. You have a point if the ramp was closed,
56 Post contains images AirTranTUS : Ramps were closed off and on throughout that evening, so I was guessing there. Edit: Spelling [Edited 2007-06-29 08:07:23]
57 Transair737 : This is brutal. Anytime there is delay where the airline knows they will not be departing for more then 1 or 2 hours passengers should be allowed back
58 Movingtin : Ok, please explain exactly how you are going to make that happen!? I want to know what you are going to do when, after" 3 hours", and Ground will not
59 Luisca : Airlines cant risk the liability of having people on the ramp or using stairs, especially in bad weather situations, what happens when 80 year old gr
60 FlyPNS1 : The problem is that even under perfect conditions, JFK routinely suffers from delays in the afternoon/evening. This is the fault of the airlines for
61 Post contains images Goldenshield : The JFK-DFW market is served with 3 E-170's. If demand is such that they are only willing to provide at least some flexibility to their customers by
62 Vega9000 : Me? Noooo! That's something just sooooo dangerous to do at an airport, it raises so many "security" and "liability" issues, that from what I learned
63 Incitatus : I am sorry but that is blatantly false. I have a corporate pilot in the family and I read the AOPA magazine regularly. The vitriolic coming from the
64 FlyPNS1 : I wasn't speaking directly to the JFK-DFW route, but on a larger scale of airlines flying high-frequency high-volume routes with small aircraft. That
65 Wjcandee : Sigh. Yeah. I'm "ignorant" and I'm "bringing the forum down". Riiiiiight. What I'm telling you is that Shuttle America appears to be disorganized and
66 Goldenshield : A lot of mainline aircraft have been retired after 9/11 because of lack of passenger demand (plus other things related to their age, but that's not i
67 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : The announcement about no food after 9pm is totally false. For example late evening after 9pm you have Air France, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic,
68 OOer : Yesterday I worked flight DL517 from LGA to ATL and we were running about 15 mins late. I am happy to say that Jim Whitehurst(Delta COO) was on our fl
69 APFPilot1985 : How was the ramp closed? The new crew got on and off the jet a few times, not to mention gate agents bringing out paperwork.
70 JGPH1A : That's pretty pitiful, really - let's screw up 3 million passengers because there was a lightning strike in Hoboken. Come on, live a little - walk ou
71 Movingtin : Really! what a revelation. So , If i deem it a "stupid rule" I can just ignore it? WoW ,life will be so much easier now.
72 FlyPNS1 : What you say is true, but it only explains part of the reason carriers went on an RJ buying binge. Keep in mind the binge started BEFORE 9/11. Many o
73 ArcrftLvr : Lawyers & Lawsuits.
74 CO777DAL : Someone needs to enlighten ½ of the world. I can not tell you how many airports I have been to that did not have jetways. I have walked across the r
75 Positiverate : Good to see you're working off the AOPA talking points. Conveniently you, and they, leave out that under the proposal recreational pilots of piston-e
76 FlyPNS1 : True. But is it also the government's job to try and satisfy artificial demand created by airlines flying high frequency RJ service when a larger pla
77 Luisca : In what other country in the world do people win millions of dollars for spilling hot coffee on themselves after they put it in their crotches? Ameri
78 Positiverate : What's to stop them from truning around and putting it all back on the airlines? And, aside from the fact that your original post was disingenuous, t
79 Positiverate : Which can be modernized through the new user fee system...
80 Mir : That is part of the problem. If fares were higher, airlines could afford to cover better for this kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised, actually. A
81 Positiverate : Not for pistons. And it was someone other then me that suggested Congress get involved in the original problem, leading to the digression.
82 Alfa75 : Wow that makes my 1 hour in CLT yesterday with no A/C seem like a walk in the park.
83 Post contains images IAD51FL : LOL... and I am sure they cancelled their tickets on B6 and then bought tickets on AA. Barbie Jets look like 737's? If so then yes... they are used a
84 Post contains links SHUPirate1 : If you mean ExpressJet 2984, that's the goofiest flight routing I've seen in a while... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20070627/031
85 Post contains links CO777DAL : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KDAL We were almost as bad. It was this one ExpressJet 2555... sch departure 2:30PM actual dep
86 Qantasclub : This is absolutely appalling. I have never had a very good impression of Delta or any of the US majors, but this makes me never EVER want to fly Delta
87 Positiverate : If you're judging airlines on the basis of whether they have had an extdended delay, and how they have handled said delay, there's probably few airli
88 SHUPirate1 : Ummm...don't you mean Rechautle Ameripubliqua? This flight was operated by Shuttle America, if you weren't aware...
89 Qantasclub : Correct and exactly the point I am making
90 Goldenshield : That's okay. Qantas and Ansett don't get get very high marks with many people, either.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Breathtaking Eclipse 500 Video! posted Sun Jun 24 2007 06:20:05 by Alberchico
What Aircraft Grave Yard Is This? - In Rock Video posted Sun Jun 24 2007 04:52:57 by NASCARAirforce
Very Funny Simulator Video! posted Sat Jun 23 2007 00:33:54 by Jenkingeorge
A V B Video posted Thu Jun 21 2007 01:48:26 by Snn2003
Video: Rampsnake In Use posted Wed Jun 20 2007 21:47:04 by Baghandling
Video Of P-51 Mustangs Making Contrails posted Wed Jun 20 2007 16:41:47 by NASCARAirforce
Really Bad Landing Video posted Fri Jun 15 2007 06:57:50 by Graphic
Great Landing Video posted Sat Jun 9 2007 11:44:11 by KiwiinOz
How 737 Gets Built - Video. posted Thu Jun 7 2007 16:48:01 by Stratofortress
TU-134 Crash Video- Translate? posted Mon Jun 4 2007 15:21:26 by Ammunition
Video Of The New 2012 U.S. Airways Safety Video posted Thu May 10 2012 14:32:09 by randyh3253
Video Of The New Boeing 787 Window Shades posted Wed Jun 24 2009 07:45:14 by GetYourFlyx
Video Of The A380 In Buenos Aires posted Fri Jan 25 2008 02:02:43 by Il75
Full Video Of The A-380 Display At Le Bourget posted Tue Jul 10 2007 19:55:20 by Pihero
Video Of The New AA 767 Business Class posted Mon Oct 2 2006 05:56:28 by DFW13L
Any Reviews Of The New F Class On DL 757's? posted Sun Oct 1 2006 08:30:58 by Avi8tir
Great 747 Cockpit Video Of The Old Hong Kong posted Sat Jul 8 2006 10:56:17 by Darrenthe747
Video Of The Checkerboard Aproach At KAI TAK posted Thu Oct 3 2002 01:32:50 by Luisca
First Flight Video Of The A345 posted Mon Feb 11 2002 11:34:10 by B727-100
The Topic Of The Hour posted Mon May 28 2001 03:39:31 by IFlyADesk