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Has UA Mastered The "Hub"?  
User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

I think that UA without a doubt nailed it when choosing their five hubs.

1. I think all of them have very different tasks, and when combined, it is perfect.

SFO covers all intl travel from DEN west and connects flights that are wholly on the west
LAX has the regional/express flights covered for the west coast
DEN connects both the coasts for travelers terminating in central US
ORD connects, well, everything
IAD connects flights that originate and terminate on the east coast

2. The location of the hubs is also ingenius... there are few routes that United could not do because of hub location (i.e. If IAD was not a hub, who would fly to ORD from BOS when they are going to MIA)?

3. All the hubs are at airports that I do not mind going to. All airports are beautiful and are very nice to go and visit.

4. Including regional flights (i.e. Skywest), United "owns" the airport. All their hubs have major ops; no minor hubs.

I just think that UA has a VERY complete hub operation, any comments, positive or negative, are welcome (I wanna hear what you think, regardless).


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
I just think that UA has a VERY complete hub operation, any comments, positive or negative, are welcome (I wanna hear what you think, regardless).

It leaves a big hole in the southeast and Mid-South.

If these hubs were superior, UA would be making more money than they are.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7778 times:
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Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
It leaves a big hole in the southeast and Mid-South.

Correct, and they know it. Hence the comments by the CFO of needing a merger partner in the South.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

I think AA has a pretty decent hub system. On the opposite end of the spectrum, NW definately has the worst hubs (domestically at least). DTW and MSP are so close together. Anyone know why NW chose these two airports especially given NW's operation in East Asia? I would think they would have looked farther West.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
1. I think all of them have very different tasks, and when combined, it is perfect.

They're not bad as a whole and better than most but hardly perfect. I can think of issues with each one and certainly they are lacking a hub in the Southeast and even the Midsouth as stated in one of the posts above. Anyone have the fgures of how many MAINLINE flights they run out of each?


User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
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Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 3):
I think AA has a pretty decent hub system.

I disagree. It is very hard to live on the east coast and fly to another city on the east coast via AA. I once had a credit on them to use and had to fly PIT-DFW-MCO.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7698 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
IAD connects flights that originate and terminate on the east coast

This hub was rumored to be closed when UA went into bankruptcy. Aside from the European flights there is no other reason to have IAD as a hub.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
It leaves a big hole in the southeast and Mid-South.

Something that has always been a problem at UA.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 3):
I think AA has a pretty decent hub system.

AA has great east-west hubs and MIA-Latin America/Caribbean. They are weak though in the Southeast and west. UA does have their hubs spread out in good cities with O&D though.


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
All airports are beautiful and are very nice to go and visit

Have you been to LAX recently?


User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 3):
Anyone know why NW chose these two airports especially given NW's operation in East Asia? I would think they would have looked farther West.

You mean, say, in the Northwest?



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 3):
DTW and MSP are so close together

Hub Cities that are closer together than DTW and MSP (528 miles)

CVG-ATL 373 mi
PHL-CLT 448 mi
EWR-CLE 404 mi
LAX-SFO 337 mi

Hub cities that are only slightly further apart than DTW and MSP

ORD-IAD 589 mi



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3175 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7582 times:
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UA's system is okay... but I don't think any one airline really has this country nailed. Each major airline has a hole somewhere. That's why we have codeshares!

I think if any airline is closest to getting it right, it's either Delta or the new US Airways.

JBLU

[Edited 2007-06-29 03:09:54]

User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5):
I disagree. It is very hard to live on the east coast and fly to another city on the east coast via AA. I once had a credit on them to use and had to fly PIT-DFW-MCO.

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Although I live in Nashville, one of AA's failures - I think RDU could have worked as an east coast hub. It, along with BNA were victims of bad timing IMO. Had RJ's been around, they could have supplemented mainline services. I know AA has quite a few RJ's at RDU now, but I wouldn't consider it a connecting hub by any means. I'm trying to book some AAdvantage miles from BNA to JAX, and my choices are obviously quite limited and out of the way no matter which direction I go.

I'm not all that impressed with UA's hub placement. SFO and IAD are basically there just for international flights. Many SFO destinations are once a day and IAD is still largely RJ. ORD has a nice terminal, but it's still ORD and that doesn't make it the most attractive option. As for DEN, UA has F9 to worry about, and now WN is looking to make serious inroads there indicated by yesterdays announcement of service realignment. If UA really needs a merger partner to cover the south, everyone says it's CO. I don't really consider IAH in the south so much as midwest. Who knows, maybe they will court US again, and get turned down by DOJ again.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):IAD connects flights that originate and terminate on the east coast

This hub was rumored to be closed when UA went into bankruptcy. Aside from the European flights there is no other reason to have IAD as a hub.

Yes, it was. Fortunately, someone saw the idiocy of that approach, and instead of being cut back, UA strengthened its IAD ops.

Now if only they would build a proper C/D terminal. When you are sitting in the C17 RCC, you can look out the window and see where they are building a station for the new inter-terminal train. Which, for some time, won't have a terminal attached to it.


User currently offlineNavairjax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
It leaves a big hole in the southeast and Mid-South.

Hence a number of codeshare flights on US. CLT is also a great hub with much less delays than ATL.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

I think UA has one of the stronger hub systems in the country; the major gaping hole of course is the Southeast; not a whole lot than can be done there though; ATL has Delta and AirTran, CLT has US Airways and the only other cities that have had hubs (Nashville and Raleigh) have both failed; BNA has a huge WN presence now that would turn off a lot of airlines to hubbing there; RDU has fit it's niche quite nicely as a mix of LCCs and full service airlines with frequent RJs to many business destinations. Florida is too far south for a domestic hub (hence, AA uses MIA for mainly international connections to the Caribbean and South America and some east-west traffic), and cities like BHM, MSY (post-Katrina), JAN, etc. can't really support a full hub operation.

Out of the airlines, here are my thoughts:
AA: Real good for east-west traffic. Real good for north-south in the middle part of the country. On the east coast, it's pretty limited; there is some focal points at BOS, NYC and RDU, but not a whole lot. West coast, AA tends to rely heavily on Alaska it seems.
DL: Northeast is strong with JFK (and focal points at LGA and BOS), Southeast has ATL, midwest has CVG. SLC has gotten stronger, which helps with east-west traffic. West coast is developing; it'll take some time for LAX to get up to full swing. It helps, but it's still lacking when you only have 1-2 options a day in many markets compared to WN, UA and AS having a lot of traffic there.
NW: Has the heartland and the Great Lakes under control. Good for east-west traffic. Pretty poor for any north-south traffic. MEM fills it's role; a little too far west to be an effective southeast hub though, especially compared to CLT and ATL. Probably the worst situation out there.
CO: Northeast is in great shape with EWR, Southwest with IAH gives good east-west traffic, CLE fills it's role. West Coast is lacking. The EWR hubs helps a lot with it, but not the most conducive setup for domestic ops.
US: Midwest is empty, but dominates the East Coast and adding HP adds a lot for east-west traffic and the Southwest.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 14):
CLT is also a great hub with much less delays than ATL.

ATL now ranks better than CLT in terms of delays according DOT Bureau Of Transportation Statistics.

For the period Apr 2006 to Apr 2007 ATL's on-time rate was 73.18% while CLT's for the same period was 71.78%.

No doubt ATL's 5th runway has made a difference because the statistics do show CLT leading in the past.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/OT_DelayCause1.asp?pn=1


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 16):
ATL now ranks better than CLT in terms of delays according DOT Bureau Of Transportation Statistics.

For the period Apr 2006 to Apr 2007 ATL's on-time rate was 73.18% while CLT's for the same period was 71.78%.

No doubt ATL's 5th runway has made a difference because the statistics do show CLT leading in the past.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Dela...?pn=1

And remember, CLT is adding a runway as well to help with long term capacity and delays.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7122 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
LAX-SFO 337 mi

That is not a valid point... If SFO and ORD were UA's ONLY hubs, then it would be valid.

As for the south, I think UA should "re-invent" TED with WN in mind and make some sort of a [very]quick turnaround hub somewhere in the south.



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

If UA is in need of a hub in the south then I would look to merge with Spirit. they have the same aircraft as UA and same engines so it makes for less parts to keep on hand. they have a hub in FLL which would open up the south, carribean, and latin america for UA. I think Spirit would be the best be...but thtas just me...any suggestions ?

Chris



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

On the note of bad hub systems, I think that somewhere at the top the list would be B6... Two largest hubs being BOS and JFK with two other close "wimpy" hubs being LGB and OAK.


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 19):
If UA is in need of a hub in the south then I would look to merge with Spirit. they have the same aircraft as UA and same engines so it makes for less parts to keep on hand. they have a hub in FLL which would open up the south, carribean, and latin america for UA. I think Spirit would be the best be...but thtas just me...any suggestions ?

Interesting thought, they could also pressure AA at MIA with spirits latin america hub/gateway(FLL). A NW/NK merger would be good on NWs part, as it would elimintate competition at DTW, while giving them latin america access. A NK/B6 merger would be nice as well, giving B6 more international destinations. It would fit well with B6s FLL flights from BOS/JFK and other east coast cities.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 21):

Yeah but what about Allegiant?



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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

UA is pretty well set hub wise. I do think that they want to push more to the south, and I think they have a huge problem with their DEN hub which is under assault not only by WN and AA, but by the fact that virtually every other carrier in the United States flies there.

DEN gives UA the ability to push passengers east/west and north/south. I think part of the reason you see WN pushing DEN as aggressively as they are is because they are seeing real value to the same trends, breaking up transcons into two shorter hops, and building demand.

ORD provides a huge market. ORD is becoming too congested to be a connection hub for domestic service, but it does well internationally. DEN is picking up the slack with domestic connecting, esp with the new RJ concourse.

SFO does pretty well, but if UA could have all their transcon out of LAX, I suspect that they would do that in a heart beat.

IAD is the week link in the whole system from my point of view.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
They are weak though in the Southeast and west.



Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
It leaves a big hole in the southeast and Mid-South.



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
I think UA has one of the stronger hub systems in the country; the major gaping hole of course is the Southeast; not a whole lot than can be done there though

Which is why Southerners are so loyal to Delta: We really don't have all that much of a choice.


25 MasseyBrown : UA has admitted they are losing money in DEN and it's hard to see how WN's just-announced expansion of routes there will help the situation. I believe
26 AeroWesty : Huh? SFO has a number of banks of flights connecting cities throughout the west, Hawaii and beyond. There's the noontime bank out to Asia, of course,
27 UAL777UK : Just European flight??....succesful flights added to PEK, NRT and soon to be daily KWI are not Europe. DXB is also on the radar, thank god they kept
28 Boston92 : Bad move, I think small mergers have MUCH higher rates for great success.
29 747fan : Theoretically, in terms of aircraft, that doesn't sound too bad; both have Airbus A320-series narrowbodies with IAE engines. And they'd get FLL, but
30 RwSEA : UA's hubs are strong in that they're all big And DEN is also the hub in the smallest city, with a relatively smaller business base than the other hubs
31 Boston92 : SJC can be added to that list too, I think. EDIT-Actually nevermind... I originally thought that SJC had more point to point... but all they have is
32 AirFrnt : Have you actually looked at the number? Denver fliers have a higher propensity to fly then any market outside of Las Vegas. Do you know what the O&D
33 MoMan : Why not go PIT-ORD-MCO or PIT-STL-MCO. You could have even went PIT-MIA-MCO, so going to DFW was certainly out of the way and an exception. ORD - STL
34 DiscoverCSG : At ORD, UA shares the airport with an AA hub. At DEN, they compete with Frontier's main base. At LAX, AA has a big base. United "owns" a smaller traf
35 Jetlanta : On the other hand: SFO: Horrible operational configuration. Extreme low-cost competition at OAK, and lot more coming at SFO. Two major airports in a
36 FLYGUY767 : United serves Kuwait City, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Peking, and Narita from IAD as well.. I have to agree to disagree on that note. U
37 EVA777SEA : Over 50% of the pax going through DEN are still connecting pax buddy. Business travel is not only people flying to other places on business from DEN
38 Post contains images Galapagapop : They nailed thier hubs so well they are the most profitable major out there............. Oh wait they don't make any money.
39 RwSEA : Did you actually bother to read my post? I said "relatively smaller". DEN is still a big hub, and it's no SLC, CVG, MEM, or CLT. But is also isn't an
40 MasseyBrown : PHL-CLT = 390nm, CLE-EWR = 351nm, and ATL-CVG = 324nm but the first two pairs of hubs aren't really competing for the same traffic flows. ATL and CVG
41 Boston92 : Ridiculous statement Even more ridiculous Probably, your most ridiculous statement What does that have to do with UA's hub at ORD Oh wait...Nevermind
42 Crjflyer35 : *Cough* PHX *Cough* Well not quite South, a little more to the South West then some may have been thinking. I think a big hurdle there would be a T-2
43 IADCA : IAD does have some advantages as a hub on the East Coast. Since it's positioned in the Mid-Atlantic, it means shorter flights up and down the seaboar
44 Willbdsp : Didn't UA have a strong presence in MIA? Was that more of a focus city or just a lot of flights in and out of there?
45 COEI2007 : I dont think any one of the big 5 have nailed it when choosing their hubs! They all have hubs that are good for one thing, and bad for another. All o
46 Jetlanta : Not surprising, given that you think this is an important factor:
47 Boston92 : You have not made one point that makes sense. And yes, I do think that how the airport looks is a VERY important factor when airline's choose hubs. T
48 RDUDDJI : Well, I find it interesting that no one has mentioned the lack of a NY area hub or focus city. IAD is a powerful hub/gateway for UA. Def in top three
49 Nosedive : Um, AA? And how does "every other carrier" not harm UA at its other hubs? DEN's been losing money, as others have noted. But it's not all due to WN;
50 Srbmod : But where? What airports in the Southeast have enough extra gate capacity to support such an operation? In addition, the location would have to be fa
51 EVA777SEA : Actually at DEN it is closer to about 42% O&D. As for SFO and ORD I believe about half the traffic is O&D and i believe over half is O&D at LAX. Not
52 Halls120 : AA is almost a nonentity at IAD.
53 Boston92 : Jetlanta, all your statements are not valid because for some reason you are biased against United Airlines. Everything you have said has been against
54 Post contains images Sydscott : How about UA merging with FL? That gives them nice hubs in Atlanta and Orlando plus additional services throughout the Northeast and Southeast where
55 ATLAaron : I am not sure why I was not able to go PIT-ORD, perhaps it was price or sold out I don't remember. PIT-STL does not exist on AA, and if you check the
56 Boston92 : I honestly do not understand the reason of your post... all I was saying was that how an airport looks and how "nice" it is is a factor when an airli
57 DL Widget Head : US Airways at PHL. Honestly, location and city size are more relevant factors when determining where to hub.
58 Jetdeltamsy : Respectfully, I totally disagree. Why on Earth the largest airline in the world maintains 3 hubs in the central part of the US is beyond me. They nee
59 Nosedive : But AA at DCA is another story... Each hub has its own unique circumstances, that was my point. Again, explain MEM and old DTW.
60 Yulguy : DTW became a hub for NW when it bought Republic Airlines (in the 80s, I believe). As for U.S. airlines all "choosing" their hubs, I think it's more a
61 ATLAaron : I'm not sure what you don't understand. I posted a post that disagrees with you and I think makes a point as to why your logic is incorrect. Not sure
62 Flynavy : Had UA kept their MCO hub open they might have it "mastered" but I wouldn't say that now. They could have built up a significant operation there, espe
63 Boston92 : More important, yes, but not more relevant. I am totally fine with being disagreed with...what I did not understand above is where the airline asking
64 Nosedive : I didn't agree with anything, thanks. The guy from ATL is right, you just don't like evidence that illustrates you are wrong. Oh, and by the way, you
65 DL777LAX : The DoT would shit themselves, two of America's three largest airlines, the larges airline in the world merging with the third largest in the world?
66 Boston92 : You never objected that any of the five UA hubs were crap... you agreed by reason of not disagreeing That is not true, I am wrong all the time, I am
67 Steeler83 : And if this was to happen (which it will not), where would they move the bulk of their connecting traffic, to ORD? considering they merge with nobody
68 Boston92 : Whenever I go through IAD, I would also use the word "mess" to describe it, but what I am actually decribing is the amount of people that are there.
69 Post contains images Nosedive : heh, why is it when you type I think of ? So... lemme get this strait, you want to state that UA has mastered the hub without going into the reasons
70 C680 : Yes, but the train between the terminals is comming soon. Don't forget that IAD was born in another era - everything was done via "mobile lounge" whi
71 Boston92 : Allright Nosedive, we seem to be getting no where at all... let me see if I can clear things up between us: I think that airport condition is a facto
72 Post contains images Nosedive : I can't be wrong. Jesus touched me No hard feelings man, I'm just not wanting to do my "Referat" research so I'm givin' ya a hard time
73 AirFrnt : You know, if you are going to take such a strong stand, and start out with a condescending remark "buddy" you might want to do your homework first. E
74 Post contains images Boston92 : I didn't want to tell you this, but I actually am perfect
75 Boston92 : Of the 60% of O&D, how many of that us UA??
76 AirFrnt : Let me dig and see if I can get that number. From the same article, UA only has 44% of traffic at DEN, but that may be ignoring TED or UAX.
77 Boston92 : 44% seems like it would include all UAX/TED/MAINLINE flights. I would give F9 maybe 30% and that would leave 25% for everyone else.
78 Post contains images Alias1024 : Nobody has the perfect hubs, but I would put UA as the best due to the hubs being so spread out, and having high levels of business traffic in each ci
79 Steeler83 : Just curious, how much market share does WN have and how much will they eventually have. I believe they'll add 14 flights or so when the 5 new cities
80 AirFrnt : They will probably be getting close to 8-9% with the new flights. I believe they were at seven percent before.
81 Boston92 : So, WN had 7% of all DEN traffic and will now be bumping that up 9%? I know that more than half of DEN pax are O&D, but I would like to know if you j
82 Lexy : They lease their gates from AA, so it wouldn't be hard to "push" them to the back burner if given the right motivation. LOL!!! There would certainly
83 AirFrnt : Last I heard the numbers were 55% O&D, 45% connecting. Frontier runs more heavily for O&D, but also does serious connecting business. I havn't heard
84 Post contains images Boston92 : Okay, I guess I expected DEN to be a big O&D airport, but I would have thought that UA would be more connecting...maybe it is because I connect in DE
85 Post contains images ATLAaron :
86 SkyyMaster : My point was that many destinations served from SFO are once a day, timed for the Asia bank. I realize some cities have more flights, but the emphasi
87 EVA777SEA : As soon as you can tell me why 20/47 equals .6 or 60% I will take your word for it. 47 million people pass through DEN yet only 20 million are actual
88 Post contains images Boston92 : What is your source? Did you sit there with a counter? It's not all the way full
89 Post contains links AirFrnt : I documented my sources. What are yours? Nevermind. Here is the very first hit on a search I did in google: http://www.metrodenver.org/documents...ng
90 Platinumfoota : I believe UA's hubs are well place. The only down side to having ORD and DEN is weather during the winter. Lets not forget what happen with DEN last w
91 Boston92 : They are also working on connecting all terminals one day...
92 Oakjam : OAK is not a big B6 hub, because WN has 60% of all flights in OAK. A lot of the old T2 gates are being re-done for WN and renovated, until that is don
93 Boston92 : How big of an ops do they want at LAX?
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