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Dash 8 Lands With Nose Gear Up (Photos)  
User currently offlineYZFOO7F From Canada, joined May 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Hey all,

This happened a while back but a co-worker was finally able to get me a copy of her pictures.

On June 5th, a Canadian North Dash-8 (operated by Regional 1) landed at YZF with its nose gear frozen in place. The gear doors opened but the nose gear did not come down. Here are some pictures of the incident:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...1788&filename=1183081874emUIGg.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...1788&filename=11830818556GLDfR.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...1788&filename=1183081904GFfgWo.jpg


My question for the third photo is why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch and the other going out the front door? It seems to me that going through the hatch was a little unnecessary.


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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Thread starter):
It seems to me that going through the hatch was a little unnecessary.

Yeah, Try the Door.

I never even heard about this. Thanks for Posting.



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Made for a much more dramatic photo op.

User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

I would have to guess that the Capt told the First Officer to see to the passengers while he shut down the engines. Being that they did not know if there was a fire the Capt went out the nearest exit. Good CRM on their part.


Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

That would be hard on your hands. The 'rope' is just a nylon strap about 1-1/4" wide. Yes in this case the door would be better. Note that there is one pilot at the top of the airstair, don't know why the other one wants to use the rope.  laughing 

User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11015 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Thread starter):
My question for the third photo is why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch and the other going out the front door? It seems to me that going through the hatch was a little unnecessary.

How often do you have an excuse to pop the hatch? Might as well make the best of a bad situation.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2397 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Thread starter):
My question for the third photo is why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch and the other going out the front door? It seems to me that going through the hatch was a little unnecessary.

Operators have pretty stringent emergency procedures to be followed that would normally dictate exactly which exit should be used by which crewmember in an evacuation.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Thread starter):
My question for the third photo is why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch

Weeeeeeeeeeee



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

I would have just climbed back into the hole and exited through the door. You can tell the pilot does not look too excited about his exit.


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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10827 times:

Quoting YZFOO7F (Thread starter):
why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch and the other going out the front door?

I'm gonna have to go with Drama Queen. This ain't an L1011 - in the time it took to pop the hatch and climb out, he could have GLANCED aft and seen there was no smoke/fire in the five feet to the exit. It's actually pretty funny - one pilot nonchalantly coming down steps, holding rails, one pilot on roof of aircraft at the nose. (Where he'd be the most likely to slide into flames). Every basic evacuation training I've ever been through teaches the safesty evac route is one in which you can see a path or destination.... somehow a roof hatch doesn't seem to qualify in this instance.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

Quoting AJ (Reply 6):
Operators have pretty stringent emergency procedures to be followed that would normally dictate exactly which exit should be used by which crewmember in an evacuation.

Yeah, and every operator I have been with stated CLEARLY - "Choose your SAFEST and NEAREST exit." The hatch isn't applicable in either instance here.


User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting AJ (Reply 6):
Operators have pretty stringent emergency procedures to be followed that would normally dictate exactly which exit should be used by which crewmember in an evacuation.

If climbing out of that hatch and using the crappy rope is dictated I'd be complaining. Jeez, climbing down using that rope is probably more dangerous for that guy than the actual gear up landing. I also vote for drama queen, one pilot diving down the rope and the other standing near the galley with what, a cup of coffee in his hand?  Silly


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10612 times:

Can't argue with taking the scenic route eh? Not everyday you get to go out that route and get away with it, so why not give er a try...


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

My question for the third photo is why would one of the pilots bother coming out the hatch and the other going out the front door? It seems to me that going through the hatch was a little unnecessary.

I am going to have to second the motion on "Drama Queen"

I didn't even realize Regional 1 was operating on behalf of Canadian North in Canadian North colours. What else am I missing out on?


User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

1st picture appears to be a nice landing minus missing the front nose gear.

2nd picture looks as if the FO is at an amusement park/water park and getting ready to go down a slide.

3rd picture looks as if the Captain is asking the ARFF if he has seen their nose gear.

Note: In pictures 2 and 3 the emergency exit window has been removed. In the first picture its a white spot where the window is in place, and in pictures 2 and 3 it is black, and appears to be laying on the ground by the plane.

In all seriousness glad to hear everyone was ok and that they made a successful landing.



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User currently offlineGreg3322 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

Something that does look kind of scary - the passengers running towards the rear of the plane right past the props. It appears the props have stopped turning, but have they? Does a Dash-8 have prop brakes to stop them quickly?

Greg


User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Quoting Greg3322 (Reply 15):

I would assume that they do since, the emergency exit is located right there near the prop.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Quoting Greg3322 (Reply 15):
Something that does look kind of scary - the passengers running towards the rear of the plane right past the props. It appears the props have stopped turning, but have they? Does a Dash-8 have prop brakes to stop them quickly?

Engines are on and running in first pic, but the props have stopped in both the 3nd and 3rd pic.



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User currently offlineDL777Dude From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Oh My!  rotfl 

This one made my day. It looks as if he is trying out for SWAT or maybe he is a fan of 24 and wants to be like Jack.  Wink

Thanks for posting.


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1683 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

So...what is the current status of this Dash 8? How long to repair (assuming no major structural damage) ? Is this formerly C-GZTC? ..(I actually have C-GZTC as a background pic in Regional 1 colours... leaving YQL)

...what aircraft is Canadian North substituting?



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Ha ha... it made me smile to see that pilot climbing out of the hatch and gliding down via the rope... he's all action, while the other guy just walks out of the door as if nothing happened...

Well, at least that poor polar bear got to walk level...

In the airline I worked for, some pilots made their last flight on the Q315 before being re-trained to another type. They climbed out of the hatch on top of the aircraft, and I took some pictures of them sitting on the wing etc. All with permission of the maintenance guys of course.


User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

My guess is that the airplane is cocked so the flightdeck door won't open. The F/O went out the hatch first, and into the cabin to make sure everyone was out. The 3rd pic was takin when the F/O was exiting after checking.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 21):
My guess is that the airplane is cocked so the flightdeck door won't open. The F/O went out the hatch first, and into the cabin to make sure everyone was out. The 3rd pic was taken when the F/O was exiting after checking.

That sequence makes no sense at all.

My guess is he's up on top directing traffic.


User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 22):
That sequence makes no sense at all.

My guess is he's up on top directing traffic.

Odviously you know nothing about a Dash. I have trouble sometimes in normal ops trying to open and close the door. It's not the door itself, but the deadbolt that locks the door shut. Tell me why this doesn't make sense.

Directing traffic? I think that's the job of ATC.


User currently offlineGPIARFF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

I think we are assuming that one of the pilots came out through the cockpit door. It's possible that both pilots came out the hatch and as the ARFF guys set up fire protection and evacuation the first pilot out opened the L1 door to assist with evac and or check to see if it has been completed. I would have preferred that to have happened because if the were to be a fire it would be right outside the L1 door. Proper evac would be under the wing and a pilot coming out the cockpit door and down the steps would lead the passengers out that way instead of into the arms of the firefighters.

GPIARFF


25 Post contains images Boston92 : uhhh,
26 Syncmaster : Removing the emergency doors are not as much of a deal as is being made in this thread, they simply open like any other door on the aircraft, and in m
27 T prop : Give the old bird some credit! You're talking about an airplane with Canadian bush plane roots here, they're tough. Dropping a Dash 8 on it's nose is
28 Post contains images CP744 : It was C-GRGO..... It's being repaired in YYC, I believe it will be back in service within two weeks. There was minimal damage, from the reports I go
29 Positiverate : Might just be me, but it looks like in photo 3 there's a third person in the cockpit. Maybe someone was on the jumpseat?
30 Post contains links Boston92 : Check this out, incudes some quotes from some of the pax plus other info: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2007/06/06/plane-landing.html
31 ChrisNH : I think he was planning on using the door until he thought, 'Ooooo! Someone is taking pictures!'
32 Mu2 : Did you read the rest of my post? You guys talk like you know. I fly this thing every day, and I'm telling you, sometimes we have trouble locking and
33 Boston92 : Wait... I doubt that that bird has O2 masks on board seeing as the older ones don't...I guess since you fly them I want you to answer a question... O
34 Post contains images T prop : Yes, I know a little about the D8, I'm familiar with the ballistic door by TTF aerospace. If you have that much trouble operating the deadbolt, you s
35 Mu2 : Yes the Dash does have O2 masks in the cockpit. One for each pilot (they hang on a quick release), and one for the jumpseat. We carry one bottle of p
36 Olympus69 : Gladly. You say the F/O goes up through the hatch and into the cabin. How does he get into the cabin from up there?. After checking that the passenge
37 Mu2 : WOW, you messed that all up! The Cap or F/O goes out the ditching hatch. He is now outside. You still follow me? Ok good. He re-enters the cabin from
38 Post contains images Olympus69 : Ok. I was assuming the second photo shows the F/O on the top, whereas, using your scenario it was the Captain. Yeah, it makes sense if both pilots ex
39 YZFOO7F : " target=_blank>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story....html Yeah the guys that were called in from airport mtce said the paramedics had to take a wom
40 CP744 : The answer is...... it's SOP..... FO goes out the top, Capt. goes out throught the L1, so he can check the cabin for paxs. Cheers
41 Rikkus67 : Thanks so much for the info CP744! Glad to see Regional 1 still existing in some form or another... or are they still flying for C. North?
42 CP744 : 5T wet leases 4 DH8's from them. C-GZKH, C-GZTC, C-GRGI and C-GRGO. TSH has a couple other DH8's, I believe. I think one is doing some work for NATO
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