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Lufthansa Logo In Late 1930s?  
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6540 times:

I was appalled to see this Airliners.net photo sporting a Lufthansa logo


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See the logo? It hasn't change!


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

why is this a problem?


that logo is iconic.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
See the logo? It hasn't change!

Your point being...?

BTW - "it hasn't changed."



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

The old Air France logo still appears on the engines of their planes. It's at least as old. Nothing appalling about it at all:


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

It has changed, but only slightly modified, if you care to take a look at today's logo and the one on the plane.

The crane is a time less design, a world wide recognized trade mark. BTW - even the yellow colour RAL numbe and the types are trade marked. There is a complete design concept behind it.



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User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Shocked? Apalled? Offended? I think "apalled" would be seeing a swastika featured prominently next to 'Lufthansa'.
Get over it.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Appalled?

Strange word to use..

Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 5):
I think "apalled" would be seeing a swastika featured prominently next to 'Lufthansa'.

haha


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

It would indeed be interesting tolearn why September11 was "appalled" to see the crane symbol on a plane in 1939?


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

it's "MIAS" = Misinformed American Syndrome.

Maybe he thinks since it was around during WWII it has a military connotation - it does not!


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Maybe someone should tell him that the crane was the LH emblem even before the Nazis came to power in Germany...
I wouldn't see a problem if the crane was adopted during the thirties, though.

pelican


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 9):
Maybe someone should tell him that the crane was the LH emblem even before the Nazis came to power in Germany...

Exaclty!


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

The soaring crane is as iconic as the Pan Am globe and the Aeroflot 'hammer and sickle flying wing" logo.

If I am not mistaken, the swastika on LH aircraft during the era of the Third Reich was painted on the vertical stabilizer, much as was done on the Hindenberg. In terms of historical reality, the existence of that bit of paint, while it might be offensive, would nonetheless be reflective of the actual aircraft of the time. The 'Rising Sun' logo of JAL is equally identifiable worldwide, and it also has historical issues dating from the Second World War.

Appalled? No way. Joyous? You bet! There is no doubt, when one sees the soaring crane, one thinks of Lufthansa. Long live the crane, the tulip U, the flying AA, and all of the other great and historical airline symbols [even the widget]!



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

The Condor is an old German symbol

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
I was appalled to see this Airliners.net photo sporting a Lufthansa logo

Weirdest post ever! From our most appalling username! Wild stuff going on today. Is it the weather?



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User currently onlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):

Can you maybe explain the outrage, because many of us really don't understand.


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Just another example of reinforcing the "Ugly/Stupid American" stereotype abroad.

Sorry everyone, not all of us US Americans think in such stunted terms.


LH is a truly world class airline!


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 11):
If I am not mistaken, the swastika on LH aircraft during the era of the Third Reich was painted on the vertical stabilizer, much as was done on the Hindenberg.

The Nazi party Swastika flag was made the national flag in IIRC 1936 (just before the Olympic games in Berlin, before it was the flag of German democracy, Black, Red, Gold). At the same time Hitler ordered that all German aircraft should carry the national flag on their tails.

Jan


User currently onlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 15):
Just another example of reinforcing the "Ugly/Stupid American" stereotype abroad.

Well stupid is pretty common over here too, but in this case I was more confused to be honnest.


User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 8):
it's "MIAS" = Misinformed American Syndrome.



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 15):
Just another example of reinforcing the "Ugly/Stupid American" stereotype abroad.

Sorry everyone, not all of us US Americans think in such stunted terms.

Because one person makes a confusing statement, this makes it justifiable to assume nearly 300 million people are somehow stupid?? o.....k If this is the case then why not assume 300 million Americans are smart when a single American makes and intelligent comment? flawed logic, that's why

OK, can someone please explain to me why they feel the need to apologize on the behalf of America when someone says something stupid? Why can't you just take it as it is: a person making a stupid comment? I don't see where anyone deserves to start accusing an entire country of being stupid and ignorant. It makes as much sense as someone apologizing on behalf of all "Caucasian 22 year old males" if I were to say something stupid. I don't mean to rant, it just makes no sense to me. I wouldn't think all Germans or Japanese were stupid if one of their respective countrymen said something stupid, so why act any different in this case.

As for this situation: I too am confused as to what is appalling about the Lufthansa symbol? (But notice I am not apologizing on the behalf of America because of this statement, lol)



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User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5357 times:

Logos that changed little or nothing in years:

Ford
Mercedes Benz
Coca Cola
Pan Am

just to name a few
I´m appaled  banghead   duck 


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 18):
Because one person makes a confusing statement, this makes it justifiable to assume nearly 300 million

um...this is a well known term, and I am not implying that all 300 million US Citizens are stupid. (The term American actually can be used for anyone from North, Central or South America, it's another mis-used US term)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American

"Over the years, the book has had less influence on American literature than it has had on perceptions of American culture. More often, stories of the "ugly American" abound largely out of tourists who make little to no effort to understand the nations they are visiting, or even the idea that the world doesn't revolve around the United States. Said examples can include an American woman in Paris yelling at a department store clerk for refusing to accept American currency and the "ridiculous idea" that the clerk will only accept French Francs as payment"


I have seen way too many cases of this personally , and it only takes one person's comment to reinforce it.

the quote was:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 15):
not all of us US Americans think in such stunted terms.

not: Every US American is stupid. Big difference!

[Edited 2007-07-01 01:22:24]

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5129 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 18):
o.....k If this is the case then why not assume 300 million Americans are smart when a single American makes and intelligent comment? flawed logic, that's why

Hence, why it's called a stereotype  Wink

IIRC, Mercedes 3 pronged star had been 1st used by DMG in 1909. Should that be changed as well? Didn't BMW make airplane engines for the German Luftwaffe? Sheesh, I know some Polish twins who'd love this topic!


User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 9):
I wouldn't see a problem if the crane was

...

Quoting Pelican (Reply 9):
pelican

A pelican in support of a crane ... now that's cute! Big grin


User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

I have to be honest and say that when I saw the initial post I thought "oh crap, another ugly american post". I for one love the history associated with the Crane logo.

It would be just as easy to say that one was "appalled" at the three pointed star Mercedes logo because Hitler rode around in Mercedes autos.

There is nothing wrong with the Crane. The swastika is another matter. Unfortunately Hitler's use of that symbol ruined its use for many cultures who used it as a sacred symbol. Including native American Indians.

Mike


User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 20):
um...this is a well known term

I understand that. Maybe I just wasn't clear. My point is that such terminologies (ugly American), regardless of country, are simplistic, idiotic, and flawed.

But in America's case, I suppose it goes to prove the Dutch saying, "Hoge bomen vangen veel wind."



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25 VANGUARD737 : September11: We are still waiting for clarification! Or have you realized the error of your statement?
26 Itsnotfinals : I didn't coin the phrase thankfully. Yes that is true, any high level comment can be interpreted widely. Goed avond
27 Post contains images Pelican : You know we -the big birds- have to stick together. pelican
28 Alfa75 : Do you think that was September11's last post?
29 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Like on the infamous "Lusthansa" logo? (I could not find a picture on the net, but in the 1980s LH tried to sue to owner of a joke shop because he pr
30 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : It's been said before and I'll say it again. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The crane is what many people assimilate LH by. Without it, people will
31 CubanMinotaur : I see nothing to get appalled at. When you have a classic symbol that is timeless... you stay with it. There is no need to change it. Mercedes-Benz ha
32 Post contains images Zenarcade : I too must say that I'm appalled... I mean look it, the pilot isn't even paying attention to where he is going. Not very Lufthansa like. For some reas
33 GBan : Considering that the engine does not seem to be running he won't go anywhere too soon...
34 Post contains images TriStar500 : Nice to see that common sense is still prevailing at least in the world of a.net September11, if that was supposed to be investigative journalism, you
35 Post contains links Oldeuropean : The logo is actually from 1919: http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html..._uns/geschichte/chronik/index.html Axel
36 Post contains links OceansWorld : Indeed, the crane was the insignia of LH predecessor Deutsche Luft-Reederei, which started services February 5th, 1919 from Berlin Johannistal airfie
37 Post contains links and images Bwest : Is there actually a saying like that one in English? As for being appalled, I suppose you scream everytime you see a Volkswagen Beetle?
38 MD11Engineer : The car that started as the KDF car (KDF= Kraft Durch Freude, Nazi trade union organisation)? LUFTHANSA only exists since 1956. Before the airline wa
39 Spartanmjf : KDF - Strength Through Joy? Air travel was, in the thirties in Germany and elsewhere, still something of a novelty and decidedly not routine for the m
40 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : or this... "Hinduism has a developed system of symbolism and iconography to represent the sacred in art, architecture, literature and worship. These
41 VANGUARD737 : I would say this is only accurate is legal situations. However, Lufthansa regularly boasts of their aviation experience in terms of years - over 80 -
42 VANGUARD737 : No, not really. But I know some Dutch, so I am familiar which the saying, is all.
43 MD11Engineer : It's the legal side that matters. According to the late LH captain Rudolf Braunburg, the new Lufthansa shed itself from the responsibility e.g. for t
44 PanHAM : That's what it means The "Buero Bongers" took all legal precautions to make sure that the newly established "Deutsche Lufthansa AG" (1955) was not ta
45 Type-Rated : You can't go back and change the past. Photos and documents of events from the past are just that, historical representations of what events were occu
46 EDICHC : Prior to the Nazi incorporation of the swastika banner as the German national flag, the German flag was black, white and red. The black, red and gold
47 MD11Engineer : You are wrong. Black, white and red were the colours of the second German empire (1871-1918). The Weimar Republic (1918-1933) used Black, red and gol
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