Spartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6986 times:
The soaring crane is as iconic as the Pan Am globe and the Aeroflot 'hammer and sickle flying wing" logo.
If I am not mistaken, the swastika on LH aircraft during the era of the Third Reich was painted on the vertical stabilizer, much as was done on the Hindenberg. In terms of historical reality, the existence of that bit of paint, while it might be offensive, would nonetheless be reflective of the actual aircraft of the time. The 'Rising Sun' logo of JAL is equally identifiable worldwide, and it also has historical issues dating from the Second World War.
Appalled? No way. Joyous? You bet! There is no doubt, when one sees the soaring crane, one thinks of Lufthansa. Long live the crane, the tulip U, the flying AA, and all of the other great and historical airline symbols [even the widget]!
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6847 times:
Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 11): If I am not mistaken, the swastika on LH aircraft during the era of the Third Reich was painted on the vertical stabilizer, much as was done on the Hindenberg.
The Nazi party Swastika flag was made the national flag in IIRC 1936 (just before the Olympic games in Berlin, before it was the flag of German democracy, Black, Red, Gold). At the same time Hitler ordered that all German aircraft should carry the national flag on their tails.
Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 15): Just another example of reinforcing the "Ugly/Stupid American" stereotype abroad.
Sorry everyone, not all of us US Americans think in such stunted terms.
Because one person makes a confusing statement, this makes it justifiable to assume nearly 300 million people are somehow stupid?? o.....k If this is the case then why not assume 300 million Americans are smart when a single American makes and intelligent comment? flawed logic, that's why
OK, can someone please explain to me why they feel the need to apologize on the behalf of America when someone says something stupid? Why can't you just take it as it is: a person making a stupid comment? I don't see where anyone deserves to start accusing an entire country of being stupid and ignorant. It makes as much sense as someone apologizing on behalf of all "Caucasian 22 year old males" if I were to say something stupid. I don't mean to rant, it just makes no sense to me. I wouldn't think all Germans or Japanese were stupid if one of their respective countrymen said something stupid, so why act any different in this case.
As for this situation: I too am confused as to what is appalling about the Lufthansa symbol? (But notice I am not apologizing on the behalf of America because of this statement, lol)
Itsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6471 times:
Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 18): Because one person makes a confusing statement, this makes it justifiable to assume nearly 300 million
um...this is a well known term, and I am not implying that all 300 million US Citizens are stupid. (The term American actually can be used for anyone from North, Central or South America, it's another mis-used US term)
"Over the years, the book has had less influence on American literature than it has had on perceptions of American culture. More often, stories of the "ugly American" abound largely out of tourists who make little to no effort to understand the nations they are visiting, or even the idea that the world doesn't revolve around the United States. Said examples can include an American woman in Paris yelling at a department store clerk for refusing to accept American currency and the "ridiculous idea" that the clerk will only accept French Francs as payment"
I have seen way too many cases of this personally , and it only takes one person's comment to reinforce it.
Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6251 times:
Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 18): o.....k If this is the case then why not assume 300 million Americans are smart when a single American makes and intelligent comment? flawed logic, that's why
Hence, why it's called a stereotype
IIRC, Mercedes 3 pronged star had been 1st used by DMG in 1909. Should that be changed as well? Didn't BMW make airplane engines for the German Luftwaffe? Sheesh, I know some Polish twins who'd love this topic!
Flyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 521 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
I have to be honest and say that when I saw the initial post I thought "oh crap, another ugly american post". I for one love the history associated with the Crane logo.
It would be just as easy to say that one was "appalled" at the three pointed star Mercedes logo because Hitler rode around in Mercedes autos.
There is nothing wrong with the Crane. The swastika is another matter. Unfortunately Hitler's use of that symbol ruined its use for many cultures who used it as a sacred symbol. Including native American Indians.