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LH YYZ-DUS Summer 08?  
User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

Just heard from LH NY area management, YYZ-DUS announced with a 330 5 x weekly! Not Sure if its posted, just got back from work dead tired didnt check, but if it isnt, then this is the news, they are really starting to spend the money...

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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Wow I was expecting either JFK or ORD first but congrats to YYZ for getting this service.

I'm really curious on what routes they'd do out of STR. Any guesses? JFK? ORD? IAD?


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
I'm really curious on what routes they'd do out of STR. Any guesses? JFK? ORD? IAD?

JFK or IAD seem like logical choices.

ORD could work as well, but the other two would come before ORD, JMVHO.


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

And this is in addition to the 7X YYZ-Frankfurt flights I presume?

If so, great news! Good to see another international carrier going twice daily here.



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

YYZ was served by AC several times weekly throughout the 80s and early 90s, so this route has been operated before with some success. I suppose due to the competition with the daily AB/LT-flight to JFK, the remaining NYC market apart from the daily Privatair Business Class-flight is too low yielding to warrant another A330 on this route.


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Hmm... is this really an official announcement? Because I haven't heard anything over here yet; and while I wouldn't call this route impossible, I still somehow don't see LH starting this route yet...

While I thought the same of the recently announced MCO-route, it was primarily the DUS-MCO idea that I considered unlikely... DUS-YYZ sounds strange to my ears as well...



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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Seems strange to me on operational basis. Make more sense if they codeshare with AC (operated by AC).

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9386 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

It makes much more sense indeed for AC to operate this hub to spoke route. For LH, it would be the odd one out spoke to * hub operqated by an isolated 333, which would require at least one dus-.fra ops in each direction per week.

In any case, if LH starts operating from secondary hub, DUS with its catchment area is the first choice and other * hubs will be the logical choice, which would rule out JFK.



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User currently offlineAirevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5070 times:

So where is the official announcement here? I think the thread topic is a bit misleading. I hear a lot of things on board LH planes from colleagues, many rumours about new routes. But those are nothing more than just rumours, so I would not call it "LH announces". DUS-YYZ has not been one of them by the way...


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User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 5):

Posted in the LH office in YYZ, I am not going to take it off the bulletin board and photocopy it and scan it to give you guys proof!

The other announcement on it was of course the FRA MCO one.


User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting Airevents (Reply 8):

Yes it is, its an internal announcement here in the Americas.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Doesn't LH fly some long-haul routes out of MUC ? Wouldn't it make more sense to fly MUC-YYZ instead ?

[Edited 2007-06-30 15:29:40]

[Edited 2007-06-30 15:30:10]


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User currently offlineDABTH747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):

It would but apparently since they codeshare with AC on it, AC was not interested in giving it up


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 9):
Posted in the LH office in YYZ, I am not going to take it off the bulletin board and photocopy it and scan it to give you guys proof!

Tell us more what is written on this board. I am very exited...


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Does this mean that LTU will be cutting back on its YYZ-DUS summer flights? Not sure if there's enough market to support both LH & LTU.


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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 9):
Posted in the LH office in YYZ, I am not going to take it off the bulletin board and photocopy it and scan it to give you guys proof!

Proof to backup this information?

Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 10):
Yes it is, its an internal announcement here in the Americas

Again, do you have proof to backup this information?

Quoting Airevents (Reply 8):
So where is the official announcement here? I think the thread topic is a bit misleading.

It is very misleading.. Cant the moderators change to the title of the thread to either rumor, or delete it?

-JD


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 15):
Cant the moderators change to the title of the thread to either rumor, or delete it?

No deletion please, the topic to interesting to be deleted.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3528 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

What kind of market does YYZ-DUS have? Business or Vacation?


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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 16):
No deletion please, the topic to interesting to be deleted

Intersting Yes... But True?

There is little or no evidence to back up the basis of this topic..

-JD


User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

It could aswell be YUL-DUSBig grin

User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 18):
There is little or no evidence to back up the basis of this topic..

Is that all you do is post the same repetitive where is the evidence" routine?

Last I checked this was not a bench trial with you sitting as judge.

I have no idea whether the information is correct or incorrect and as yet it has not been substantiated with a formal announcement. But we have a least two posters who are citing a reasonable source for this. It strikes me as a little nervy for you to demand "proof" to your apparent satisfaction failing which the thread should be deleted.

if every a/net thread were held to some "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" standard you apparently demand, there would not be too much to talk about here. It's a DISCUSSION forum buddy--if you don't like the topic read something else but please do not request to have it censored because of your baseless demand for "evidence".

Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but for now it's an interesting topic.


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

The reason there is no announcement is because it was an internal memo and extermely confidential. I wouldn't expect a summer route to be announced publicly for at least 3-4 more months.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Would this be part of a larger LH expansion at DUS? Out of all the long haul routes LH could open themselves (i.e. not PrivatAir), YYZ isn't the first destination you would think off


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User currently offlineOTOPS From Canada, joined May 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 14):
Does this mean that LTU will be cutting back on its YYZ-DUS summer flights? Not sure if there's enough market to support both LH & LTU.

My thoughts exactly. Dusseldorf and Frankfurt aren't even that far apart. Doesn't seem like a huge advantage to fly into DUS over FRA. I always wondered why there wasn't a scheduled YYZ-HAM or YYZ-STR. Hamburg is the second largest city in Germany yet is seemingly ignored and Stuttgart is the heart of hugely industrialized Baden-Wurttemburg. Yes I know that Dusseldorf is in the densely populated Ruhrgebiet but it just isnt that far from FRA.



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User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

DUS is a nice airfield and could track some people from Holland to. Although Schiphol is closer from my home, it will only take 15/30 minutes more to reach DUS. Also, DUS has some great service. Last time I picked someone up from DUS, he had his suitcase within 5 minutes and was standing next to us withing 10 minutes after landing.

Very intresting to see what LH has planned from DUS in the next comming years.



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25 Vfw614 : I don't think ORD or NYC would be more likely destinations. The whole exercise is a poorly disguised reaction to the emergence of AB/LT as a serious l
26 Fly_yhm : Well Said As far this possible route just more more thing for me to take photos off.
27 DABTH747 : Thank you guys who support me here, some people really I feel come on airliners to act as disrupters, they seem to not log on to enjoy the info provi
28 DABTH747 : Thanks JoFMO Also on the bulletin board was EWR-DUS
29 Avianca : asking me if it is the right way to inform about internas of an airline... btw, EWR-DUS is already offered by LH using the Privat Jet produkt...
30 DABTH747 : yes your right I forgot to mention it would be upgraded to an A330
31 Post contains images Zenarcade : Good question. Isn't Düsseldorf in close proximity to Germanys main tech industry areas? I know a few people who travel to Germany on business and I
32 Post contains images JoFMO : I would not post it on a bulletin board when I want to keep it secret. You never know what kind of external people pass this board during the day. Yo
33 Jimyvr : Because if he doesn't know anything or read it wrong, he wants it to be deleted. LH did flew DUS-YYZ (if i wasn't wrong) in the 80s so I guess they w
34 LXA340 : Yes, so the Privatair service wll be cancelled from when, will it be used for another route? I gues at first it does sound a bit strange that YYZ is
35 Vfw614 : NCL-DUS was more or less built up from the NCL end by local airline Gill Air that cooperated with (then) independent German regional airline Eurowing
36 LXA340 : Which flights will it operate from FRA also to EWR? Are there any plans to introduce NCL also from FRA or MUC?
37 FLYACYYZ : I'm sure that LH management is pleased to know that a confidential inter-office memo has been leaked.
38 Post contains images Viscount724 : AC (then TCA) started service to DUS in 1952. It was their 2nd destination in continental Europe after Paris which began a year earlier. A major part
39 FLYACYYZ : DUS was reinstated during the late 80's as part of a huge wave of European expansion under the leadership of then CEO Pierre Jeanniot, which included
40 FLYGUY767 : If there is nothing to back up something that is stated as fact it indeed should be deleted, the same goes for an opinion that is stated as a fact wi
41 ACDC8 : YYZ-DUS would also be great for those of us living on the west coast of Canada, it'll give us another option (especially those of us who use DUS as a
42 FLYGUY767 : I must add to my above posting that indeed it would be nice to see LH spread it wings further into Canada, as their is a lot of potential in the marke
43 CayMan : I did not intend to be rude and if that is how you took it I regret that. Perhaps I was too pointed, it's just that I am at a loss to fully understan
44 FLYGUY767 : Sorry, I did not mean to get so huffy if it seemed that way. You have a very valid point, I was just really let down a week or so ago when there was
45 DALCE : Although I like these rumours, it's just not acceptable that people are leaking such information. We all have knowledge of items which we can't share
46 FraT : If this flight is really coming, I would assume that it is a summer only flight just like the MUC-YUL service.
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