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Turkish Aviation July 2007  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8177 times:

Merhabalar,
It has been quiet for a while, everyone must be busy in the summer season I guess.
Here are some of the latest news:

-Gokmengs started a thread about the upcoming longhaul fleet replacement:
TK WB Order Worth $5 Billion ETA September (by Gokmengs Jul 1 2007 in Civil Aviation)
-I have started one about the Turkey Senegal bilaterals.
Turkey Senegal Bilateral, And On To GRU, GIG (by TK787 Jun 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
In short it gives rights to Turkish companies to fly to Senegal and onto GIG and GRU. Anyone here has opinions on this one?
-Like I asked beginning of this year, what are the implications of the coming elections for TK and Turkish aviation if any?
-Onur getting 330s? When?
-How is Atlas's Mykonos flights are doing?
-I heard about float planes between Istanbul and Bodrum, anyone here has more info on this?
-TK fleet size is down to 96, mostly due to 734s leaving.
-Here is a picture of the new TK trainer:

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-Out of proportion paint job on the new 320, thanks to a pic. from Irfan Caliskan:

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the red bird logo on the new one has a fat, shorter wing and doesn't touch the top of the circle, a mistake?

-Also news from ESB: flights to BSL and news about ESB-TLV flights startgin next year.
-What's up with the pax these days. BJV-IST flight pax demanded to return to gate, and refused to fly with the plane after a technical problem fixed, and when engines started they smelled some fumes and decided that it was unsafe to fly with that plane. 20 pax deplaned, flight arrived IST two hours late. And this one:
BRU: Plane Grounded Due To Angry Pax (by Bwest Jun 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)

So, everyone, have a great summer and waiting to hear your opinions.
Thanks

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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

It could affect the date of the announcement but it will not affect the decision IMO.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Here is a picture of the new TK trainer:

Awesome looking plane thanks for the pic.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK fleet size is down to 96, mostly due to 734s leaving.

I was under the impression that TK is constantly getting new 738's and A32S due to last years orders, or are all the planes delivered already?



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 1):
I was under the impression that TK is constantly getting new 738's and A32S due to last years orders, or are all the planes delivered already?

As far as I know, TK is getting 6x 320 and 1x321 remainder of this year, and 6x320 and 5x321 next year. And that is it.
I am not sure about the 738s, I think there is no outstanding order, but there were talks about an 8x738 order still to be delivered and maybe turned into a 739ER order. Not sure on that one. 15 or so more 738s are yet to get their winglets, when done a total 26 of them will have winglets.
Also talks about some of the remainder of the 320-321s to be converted to 319s, I could see that.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25365 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Greetings to all my Turkish friends.

Some miscellaneous news;

SunExpress signed a five-year contract to use the Lido RouteManual from Lufthansa Systems. It also has the option of migrating to the electronic version of the navigation charts, the Lido eRouteManual.

Even with its recently launched partnership with Do & Co for a joint catering subsidiary, THY is evaluating offers from Lufthansa for a larger joint venture with LSG Sky Chefs for kitchens at various locations across Turkey.

THY on track to achieve IATA e-tickeing target by end of the year. Currently near 61% of ticket issued are electronic.

THY Miles and Smiles is approaching near 1 million active members.

Onur Air and ACT Airlines holding company will be building a $45m 47,000 square meter maintenance hangar and workshops at SAW. The airlines will jointly form a MRO providor under the name of MyTechnic MRO Aircraft Services. The facility will service various Airbus and Boeing narrow and widebodies.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
I am not sure about the 738s, I think there is no outstanding order, but there were talks about an 8x738 order still to be delivered and maybe turned into a 739ER order.

I can now confirm that TK exercised its options for 8 more 738s on August 9th, 2005, and the planes will be delivered in 2008 (from the Boeing site)
So it is totally possible for those to be 739ERs. That would be a good alternative to 310, for routes to Central Asia, Indian sub continent, and North Africa with 180 pax in two class layout and 5925km. range.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Here we go, try to figure this out:

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TC-JDB delivered April 1989 gets a new name "Eskisehir".
I just flew this plane recently, "Goksu". TK 310s were named after Turkish rivers, now, why change their names at the very end of their life span, and give them a paint job?
Maybe they will be around longer than we expected.
By the way, this is the only 310 in the fleet with longer range 8980km as opposed to 8100km.

Other news:
-Sunekspress starts Kayseri/Antalya and Mersin/Adana.


User currently offlineThereandback From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Lots of interesting news in Turkish Aviation this month.

I am in Germany now and will be flying to BJV from FRA on SunExpress on Thursday. I have never flown with them before and will write a TR.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Out of proportion paint job on the new 320, thanks to a pic. from Irfan Caliskan:

Not the first time that has happened. Look at TC-JNC the white circle the bird is in is completely off center.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

How about this news coming from airporthaber.com that TK extends the leases for 3 734s for another 5 years. They were leased in 1992, so this means at the end they would be leased for a total of 20 years. I am sure Bahadir has some opinions on this one.
Why do they need the 734s in the next 5 years, where 25 or so more single aisle new planes will be joining the fleet?


User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Turkish Airlines starts daily nonstop flights from Ankara Esenboga to London Heathrow from October 28. The daily flights are as follows:

Turkish Airlines LHR Terminal 3 to ESB
Turkish Airlines TK1986
Departs: 13:15
Arrives: 19:15
Duration: 4 hrs 00 min

Ankara Esenboga Airport (ESB) - Heathrow Airport (LHR) T3
Turkish Airlines TK1985
Departs: 10:00
Arrives: 12:15
Duration: 4 hrs 15 min

From October 28 the daily non-stop BMED (BA) service between Ankara London will also be operated by BMI and codeshared by BA. Ankara will be the first destination of BMI in Turkey.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 8):
Turkish Airlines starts daily nonstop flights from Ankara Esenboga to London Heathrow from October 28. The daily flights are as follows:

Very good news....With the new airport in Ankara, we will most probably see even more intl. destinations soon... Maybe ESB-ORY might follow...

Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 8):
Ankara London will also be operated by BMI and codeshared by BA

Shocking to see a Star Alliance member codesharing with a One World member??



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User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Shocking to see a Star Alliance member codesharing with a One World member??

Actually the BMI flights that will be code-shared by BA is part of a wider deal emerging with the acquisiton of BMED by BMI earlier this year. As part of the deal those BMED destinations that include 16 destinations in the Middle East, Africa and CIS will be integrated to BMI network by October 28, but of course BA did not want to lose 16 destinations overnight from its netwok in this region which is essential for them to sustain feeder traffic to LHR and onward to North America.

However, it will be interesting to see how long the BMI BA code share will last and also whether it will be win win.

Secondly, it will be a challenge for BMI to turnaorund the BMED operation without starting to take benefits of the Open Skies. For now BMI lacks the onward connections from LHR and will need BA codeshare to fill the flights from Ankara, Beirut, Damascus, Tbilisi etc.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting Thereandback (Reply 6):
Look at TC-JNC the white circle the bird is in is completely off center.

Hey, good point, thanks.
Here are the pics to compare JNC on the left, JNE on the right.
JNCs circle looks to be closer to the front of the plane.

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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

How they cannot paint all the tails same?

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25365 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Things are heating up between THY and Hava-Is the nations civil aviation workers union which represents 11,000 employees.

Quote:
THY workers threaten to strike
09 July 2007

Thousands of aviation workers on Monday threatened to strike later this month over a pay dispute with the national carrier, Turkish Airlines (THY).

Strike action by workers is being threatened as collective agreement negotiations with the country's national carrier look set to collapse. THY and the Turkish civil aviation workers' union Hava-Is have so far failed to broker a new collective agreement covering some 11,000 aviation workers. Union representatives have been in discussions with the company since March.

Hava-Is has announced that unless an agreement is reached within two weeks, pilots, cabin crew and ground staff would walk out on strike -- coinciding with the start of the peak summer holiday season.

The union has been negotiating for improved pay and work conditions for its members for the past four months. On July 4, Hava-is rejected a pay package offered by the company that did not meet the union's expectations, Yalcin said.

The union's general secretary Mustafa Yagci said: "Management's intransigence on certain issues is unprecedented and proves it has no intention of settling this issue.

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-27587.html

Related to this are rumors THY management is actually pushing for a strike as a means to shed approximately 10% of its staff along with launching a major overhaul of Turkish Technic which could see it shutdown and subsequently relaunch under new corporate setup or sold completely to a 3rd party.


Only problem is any strike would be extremely poorly timed for the company coming in the middle of summer.



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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
How about this news coming from airporthaber.com that TK extends the leases for 3 734s for another 5 years. They were leased in 1992, so this means at the end they would be leased for a total of 20 years. I am sure Bahadir has some opinions on this one.

TK787 , I made my point bluntly before. I also think THY dropped the ball on the new widebody choice. They should have placed the order for 787 long time ago. But politics came into play and they decided to wait for it. With the airliner being this popular they will have to pay top dollar to companies like ILFC . I am sure the current government will lease some stuff from ALAFCO instead of ILFC though..

Also, I finally met Ugur Cebeci few days ago. Yours truly will be on 'Kokpit' sometime soon  Smile



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25365 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Right to build a new international terminal and rights to operate SAW airport under a 20 year lease won by a somewhat interesting combination of partners today.

Quote:
Malaysia Airports-GMR group win Istanbul airport


ANKARA, July 9 (Reuters) - A consortium of Malaysia Airports Holdings, Research), India's GMR Infrastructure and Turkey's Limak clinched the rights to Istanbul's second airport on Monday with a 1.9 billion-euro bid.

The winning bid -- which does not include 18 percent value added tax -- beat offers from four other consortiums of foreign and local players in a tender lasting more than 12 hours, said Mete Arslan, chairman of Turkey's Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM).

The consortium will build a new international terminal at the Sabiha Gokcen airport on Istanbul's Asian side and run the airport for 20 years. It will expand annual capacity to 13.5 million air passengers from about 3.5 million now.

Sabiha Gokcen opened in 2001 and hosts domestic Turkish flights and low-cost airline easyJet Plc, among others.

Full story;
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL0967031420070709?rpc=44



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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Laxintl,
this is bad news for Esas Holding consortium because they could have developed the airport into the "Pegasusland". Their partner TAV is the operator for Ataturk Airport and they would have benefited from having both airports of Istanbul sort of Port Authority style..

I am not familiar with the winners.. Have they done any major work in other places in the world?

Edit: Turns out that the CEO of Limak is Nihat Ozdemir, a fellow Fenerbahce manager..  Smile

[Edited 2007-07-10 00:35:48]


Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 14):
I am sure the current government will lease some stuff from ALAFCO instead of ILFC though..

I didn't know TK leased from ALAFCO already;
5x 738s; TC-JGL, -JGM, -JGN, -JGO, -JGP.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25365 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

Selamlar Bahadir.

Yes I heard of TAV and Esas plans which would have benefited Pegasus. However as you can see they fell a few hundred million short on their bid.  Sad

From what I can gather the Malaysian Airports Holding will likely be party running the day to day ops at SAW, while GRM Infrastructure will be one doing the construction work. GMR has been involved in major public projects globaly and currently is involved in the modernization of several Indian airports including Delhi and Mumbai. I'm not too sure about the international experience of the Malaysians however as from what I can gather the only foreign airport they manage is in Cambodia!



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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 14):
I am sure the current government will lease some stuff from ALAFCO instead of ILFC though..

I didn't know TK leased from ALAFCO already;
5x 738s; TC-JGL, -JGM, -JGN, -JGO, -JGP.

They are actually leasebacks. THY sold them to ALAFCO and now they are leasing them back.. It's done by many companies, benefits both parties..



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineSmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
news about ESB-TLV flights startgin next year.

Any details on the carrier or aircraft type? I wonder if it's feasible. There is a huge amount of tourists from Israel each year but they aren't going to rush onto ESB direct flights. Do you think there is enough business and government traffic for this route?

Has anyone used the new terminal at ESB? I haven't had the chance yet. Been in and out of the old terminal numerous times and actually quite liked it - it was small, easy to manage and you never had to walk far for anything.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
I'm not too sure about the international experience of the Malaysians however as from what I can gather the only foreign airport they manage is in Cambodia!

At present, Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad (MAHB) is managing Delhi International, Hyderabad International (both in India) and Astana International in Kazakhstan.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
A consortium of Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), India's GMR Infrastructure and Turkey's Limak clinched the rights to Istanbul's second airport on July 9 with a 1.9 billion-euro (RM8.9 billion) bid. The winning bid does not include 18% value added tax.

The detail news. It was a top business headline in Malaysia.

MAHB clinches RM9b concession
The Edge

  • A consortium made up of Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), India's GMR Infrastructure Ltd and Turkey's Limak Group has won the rights to operate the Sabiha Gokcen International Airport (SGIA) in Istanbul, Turkey, with a concession fee of €1.93 billion (RM9.07 billion). MAHB said the consortium, led by Limak, secured the concession from the government of Turkey, which currently operates the airport through the Under Secretariat for Defence Industries.

  • The consortium beat four other international airport operators with the highest bid of €1.93 billion, which is the concession fee for a period of 20 years. MAHB said there would be no concession fees payable in the first three years. "At this concession fee, the internal rate of return is 13%," MAHB said, adding that the evaluation of the tender bid was based on technical and financial criteria.

  • MAHB managing director Datuk Seri Bashir Ahmad said: "This is indeed great news for Malaysia Airports as it further reinforces our status as one of the most sought-after service providers in the field of airport operations." On May 24, the airport administrator called for tenders to operate the SGIA under a build, operate and transfer scheme. In June, MAHB was invited by GMR to join Limak in the tender.

  • GMR is MAHB's joint venture partner in GMR Hyderabad International Airport Ltd, which owns the concession to manage the New Hyderabad International Airport in India. Limak is an engineering company involved in construction, tourism, energy and cement manufacturing. As an airport operator, MAHB is required to take up a minimum 20% stake in the joint venture company to develop, manage and operate SGIA.

  • Meanwhile, Reuters reported yesterday that the winning consortium beat local and foreign consortiums in a tender lasting more than 12 hours. The report said the consortium beat a partnership of newly listed Turkish airport operator TAV and Turkish airline owner Esas Holding, which was the first to leave the tender when the bidding hit €1.5 billion. Last to withdraw from the bidding was a consortium including Germany's Fraport and Turkey's IC Construction, which in April clinched the rights to Antalya airport in Turkey's tourist hub for US$3.2 billion (RM11 billion).

  • Other bidders were one consortium that included Turkey's Cukurova, Austria's Julius Meinl Investment and Venice Airport/Save SpA, another included Turkey's Mak-Yol Construction, Eti Bakir and lastly US-based Airport Property Management, the news report said.

  • MAHB said the scope of the tender included taking over the operations, maintenance and revenues of the international and domestic terminals at SGIA and their related buildings and equipment, and ground handling, fuel supply and bonded warehousing operations.

  • "The project also involves the construction of a new international terminal with 10 million capacity in 30 months whilst the current international terminal will be converted to a domestic terminal subsequent to the construction of the new terminal," it said. MAHB said the total investment cost and development of SGIA ranged between €150 million and €180 million, excluding financing and project controlling costs. It added that the consortium was in the process of finalising the terms of conditions of the joint venture agreement, as well as the financing for the investment.

  • SGIA is the second airport in Istanbul with one terminal each for international and domestic flights. It covers a total area of 1,335.5ha. A portion of the land had been allocated for the development of a technological park, while a Formula One circuit was located about five-minute drive away from the airport, MAHB said. It said SGIA was capturing the traffic from the Istanbul Ataturk International Airport, which had limited apron capacity, amid increasing traffic that was reaching 20 million passengers a year. Other overseas airports operated by MAHB are the Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, and Astana International Airport in Kazakhstan.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Quoting SmokinL1011 (Reply 20):

Sure, why not? TK flies IST-TLV is 3xdaily, mostly with twin aisles. I could see a 3xweekly ESB-TLV with a 738 to start with.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7260 times:

Came across to this one:

31 MART 2008 TARIHINE KADAR...
TORONTO (YTO) VE VANCOUVER (YVR)
ICIN LH ILE FRNKFURT AKTARNALI
UCUS IMKANINDAN YARARLANABILIRSINIZ.

Any one knows?


25 Laxintl : Says one can make use of Lufthansa connections via Frankfurt to reach Toronto and Vancouver.
26 Post contains images Stylo777 : I know aktarmali, but what the hell is aktarNali???
27 TK787 : Hey Stylo, Nice to see you here with your usual sense of humor, must be busy in FRA.
28 Jimyvr : Codeshare? THY is due to codeshare on most Lufthansa's Trans-Atlantic flight this winter.
29 Post contains images Stylo777 : believe me my mate, the ops here are like the hell these days and I have only two days off until the end of the month is there a list published with
30 TurkishWings : I believe they still codeshare with AA within the USA. But I am sure this too will change in the very near future. And for that to happen, I think TK
31 Post contains images Gokmengs : Selam Everyone from IST. I was wondering if anyone got the picture of 2 DL 763's at the same time at IST on July 16th, my girlfriend was supposed to g
32 Post contains images Stylo777 : good job Delta! I assume Irfan Caliskan was out there at the tarmac and got the shot
33 Stylo777 : Airporthaber.com is reporting the take-over of Onur Air by Pegasus. But they're also reporting that Onur Air CEO denies the take-over. The past few ye
34 TK787 : Can somebody tell me, with the better service standards, how come DL tickets are consistently few hundred dollars cheaper on the JFK-IST route as opp
35 Gokmengs : Interesting, but that could be the case with DL if your outbound is US TK has loyal flyer's and reaping the benefits, if you look at US origin prices
36 TK787 : Looks like it is a done deal. This will be good, and please get rid of the name Onur for starts. It might take a few years to combine the two fleets
37 Post contains images Wing : Hello to all friends from the only flying Sergeant in the entire Turkish Army I really have a very limited time but I can say I am in a very good cond
38 TK787 : Merhaba asker, Nice to hear that you have adjusted and counting days. -On the TK strike front, as of today, July 17th, doesn't look good. Both partie
39 Robcol99 : I really cannot agree with the better service standards comment there. That might not quite be the case. It all depends on what kind of a business mo
40 TK787 : Individual cases might differ; however, I could give couple of examples since I have flown JFK-IST on both carriers a dozen of times each. -Last May
41 Post contains images Bahadir : TK787, TK will always serve the market with better food, better pitch and better airplanes, but the service sector is the reflection of the service in
42 Bozo : THY has released a new TV Ad:
43 TK787 : Thanks for the link, I guess that is where the $30 mil. ad budget is going this year. Actually even though it reads big budget, it is not an expensiv
44 Post contains links and images TK787 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Fabio Pignata Newest addition to the TK 320 fleet, will be TC-JPI. Anyone knows what she will be named? Even better
45 Post contains images TurkishWings : Surely, that and current aircraft names, will depend on the outcome of the elections this Sunday
46 Bahadir : Oh come on TK787, the commercials in Turkey are not the same as the ones in US. They tend to be long, narrative and not to the point in 10th second..
47 777way : Will TK ever fly to Urumqi in China? is there any potential for such a service, I feel China Southern will eventually launch URC-IST flights.
48 Laxintl : At one time, CAAC operated weekly B707 service PEK-URC-IST. Overall I would say, TK which has done very well serving Central Asian republics could pr
49 Bozo : the strike action situation is still unclear, THY CEO Temel Kotil said he does not expect it to happen
50 777way : Surprising that no Chinese airline is serving Turkey.
51 Viasa : The first THY A310-200 (TC-JCV) is now in Dresden for freighter conversation. I'm not sure if this plan has left the fleet of THY or if it would stay
52 TK787 : Thanks for the news, it has been expected. TK wanted to convert 3 of its 310s to freighters and keep them in the Cargo fleet. But the timing is weird
53 Laxintl : The A310 conversions timing was driven by EADS conversion slot availability. TK signed for 3 conversions during early 2006 with only the late 2007 and
54 Stylo777 : how will they fill that capacity in such a short time? they need every available aircraft these days! an alternative 210-seater could be A321 - just a
55 TK787 : I totally agree with both of you guys. Need cargo planes, need to replace 310s. I keep sounding like a broken record. But hey, the elections are over
56 Post contains images LTAC03R : Sweet dreams, pal Now it's only a matter of time before all those bubbles burst, and soon we'll be driven into chaos. As Nazým Hikmet said in a poem
57 TK787 : No no, you got me wrong. I was only dreaming about TK, maybe to start pro-acting on some of the issues at hand.
58 Post contains links and images Stylo777 : an actual report concerning your post http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=18086 In my eyes the whole aviation sector in Turkey is most times
59 TK787 : Hey Stylo, it is hard to believe to implement what that article says. In short it says on a given flight all pax should pay the same. What happens to
60 LTAC03R : Well i'm sorry then. I can't help but get reactive after what's turned out. IMHO, with AKP in charge, we will keep seeing unsafe practices until we s
61 Bahadir : I would take the news from AirportHaber with a grain of salt. In recent years their news style changed from aviation to 'soap aviation'. Every single
62 TK787 : That I did. Believe or not from AZ. I guess by this weekend or next it will be clear if AZ will be around in Sept. when I will be flying.
63 Post contains links Laxintl : http://www.aircargonews.net/article.asp?art_id=2387
64 TK787 : About the TKs 3x310s going Cargo: I was looking at the numbers, and I don't think it is a right fit to replace the 310s with 321s as Stylo suggests: 3
65 Gokmengs : I think Stylo only looked at pax capacity, IMO the only true replacement for TK's 310's are 330's getting some 333's for intra europe trunk routes wo
66 Laxintl : TK carries a tiny amount of the cargo it should. As you know Turkey is a strong exporter with much flowing on foreign airlines or stuck to other mean
67 Cmoltay : Speaking of cargo operations, there's news that seems to have gone unnoticed concerning the GAP Int'l Airport in Sanliurfa... 45x4000 mt. runway to se
68 Robcol99 : Hi there, Actually there is no true replacement, since when aircrafts get designed, they reflect the needs of their time. Intra-europe flights usuall
69 Gokmengs : I think TK made a big mistake if they purchased the 332's for additional NA capacity. But they will do fine for Asia, what do you think about 333's f
70 TK787 : Do I really sound like that? I don't mean to. After all this is only a hobby for me. I want people to take pride in whatever they are doing, and alwa
71 Stylo777 : yes arkadaslar, I only looked at the pax capacity when said A321 as a temporarily replacement for A310, because I think they are easier to get on the
72 Bozo : the turkish aviation syndicate "hava-iþ" released a "false" newspaper article stating that THY has to improve its security, which has been allready d
73 Post contains images Stylo777 : my comment to the protest and demonstration of the employees: TK is in a fast growth this year. They make a lot of good things, make high profits and
74 Post contains links and images TK787 : Newest 321 for TK; TC-JRF "Fethiye" View Large View MediumPhoto © Kim Philipp Piskol
75 Post contains images Stylo777 : beautiful like her name
76 Bozo : another new advertisement:
77 Bozo : i hope it's ok if I post the videos of "kokpit" - a tv show which appears every 2 weeks (I've removed the intro to make it open for everyone) Turkey's
78 Post contains images Stylo777 : tesekkürler Bozo! I like this tv magazine, but don't have the time to watch. with your help I get all the important things I need in the future thx!
79 Bozo : kassel here, gümüþhane in tr
80 Post contains images Bahadir : ehemn... i wonder who the hell that flight school owner is?
81 TK787 : You know, I lived in downtown Seattle for 9 years before moving to NYC. You would have a good customer if I lived there now. So are you working for H
82 Post contains images Bahadir : oh TK787, that question shows me that you didn't watch my section. I am broken hearted
83 TK787 : I did, but I guess I mixed up the info from your profile about your occupation. It reads like you were a regional FO for a month and back to flight sc
84 Gokmengs : Wow, Bahadir, nice job. How come you haven't told us that you'd be on? Anyway, much success in your business. As a business owner myself I know the c
85 Bahadir : TK787, i guess I have to update my profile.. I did play 'regional airline F/O ' for 3 months last year and quit in the middle of training.. I am in a
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