TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 13 Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7594 times:
It has been quiet for a while, everyone must be busy in the summer season I guess.
Here are some of the latest news:
-Gokmengs started a thread about the upcoming longhaul fleet replacement: TK WB Order Worth $5 Billion ETA September (by Gokmengs Jul 1 2007 in Civil Aviation)
-I have started one about the Turkey Senegal bilaterals. Turkey Senegal Bilateral, And On To GRU, GIG (by TK787 Jun 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
In short it gives rights to Turkish companies to fly to Senegal and onto GIG and GRU. Anyone here has opinions on this one?
-Like I asked beginning of this year, what are the implications of the coming elections for TK and Turkish aviation if any?
-Onur getting 330s? When?
-How is Atlas's Mykonos flights are doing?
-I heard about float planes between Istanbul and Bodrum, anyone here has more info on this?
-TK fleet size is down to 96, mostly due to 734s leaving.
-Here is a picture of the new TK trainer:
the red bird logo on the new one has a fat, shorter wing and doesn't touch the top of the circle, a mistake?
-Also news from ESB: flights to BSL and news about ESB-TLV flights startgin next year.
-What's up with the pax these days. BJV-IST flight pax demanded to return to gate, and refused to fly with the plane after a technical problem fixed, and when engines started they smelled some fumes and decided that it was unsafe to fly with that plane. 20 pax deplaned, flight arrived IST two hours late. And this one: BRU: Plane Grounded Due To Angry Pax (by Bwest Jun 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)
So, everyone, have a great summer and waiting to hear your opinions.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7564 times:
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 1): I was under the impression that TK is constantly getting new 738's and A32S due to last years orders, or are all the planes delivered already?
As far as I know, TK is getting 6x 320 and 1x321 remainder of this year, and 6x320 and 5x321 next year. And that is it.
I am not sure about the 738s, I think there is no outstanding order, but there were talks about an 8x738 order still to be delivered and maybe turned into a 739ER order. Not sure on that one. 15 or so more 738s are yet to get their winglets, when done a total 26 of them will have winglets.
Also talks about some of the remainder of the 320-321s to be converted to 319s, I could see that.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7539 times:
Greetings to all my Turkish friends.
Some miscellaneous news;
SunExpress signed a five-year contract to use the Lido RouteManual from Lufthansa Systems. It also has the option of migrating to the electronic version of the navigation charts, the Lido eRouteManual.
Even with its recently launched partnership with Do & Co for a joint catering subsidiary, THY is evaluating offers from Lufthansa for a larger joint venture with LSG Sky Chefs for kitchens at various locations across Turkey.
THY on track to achieve IATA e-tickeing target by end of the year. Currently near 61% of ticket issued are electronic.
THY Miles and Smiles is approaching near 1 million active members.
Onur Air and ACT Airlines holding company will be building a $45m 47,000 square meter maintenance hangar and workshops at SAW. The airlines will jointly form a MRO providor under the name of MyTechnic MRO Aircraft Services. The facility will service various Airbus and Boeing narrow and widebodies.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7485 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 2): I am not sure about the 738s, I think there is no outstanding order, but there were talks about an 8x738 order still to be delivered and maybe turned into a 739ER order.
I can now confirm that TK exercised its options for 8 more 738s on August 9th, 2005, and the planes will be delivered in 2008 (from the Boeing site)
So it is totally possible for those to be 739ERs. That would be a good alternative to 310, for routes to Central Asia, Indian sub continent, and North Africa with 180 pax in two class layout and 5925km. range.
TC-JDB delivered April 1989 gets a new name "Eskisehir".
I just flew this plane recently, "Goksu". TK 310s were named after Turkish rivers, now, why change their names at the very end of their life span, and give them a paint job?
Maybe they will be around longer than we expected.
By the way, this is the only 310 in the fleet with longer range 8980km as opposed to 8100km.
-Sunekspress starts Kayseri/Antalya and Mersin/Adana.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7311 times:
How about this news coming from airporthaber.com that TK extends the leases for 3 734s for another 5 years. They were leased in 1992, so this means at the end they would be leased for a total of 20 years. I am sure Bahadir has some opinions on this one.
Why do they need the 734s in the next 5 years, where 25 or so more single aisle new planes will be joining the fleet?
Ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 262 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7107 times:
Shocking to see a Star Alliance member codesharing with a One World member??
Actually the BMI flights that will be code-shared by BA is part of a wider deal emerging with the acquisiton of BMED by BMI earlier this year. As part of the deal those BMED destinations that include 16 destinations in the Middle East, Africa and CIS will be integrated to BMI network by October 28, but of course BA did not want to lose 16 destinations overnight from its netwok in this region which is essential for them to sustain feeder traffic to LHR and onward to North America.
However, it will be interesting to see how long the BMI BA code share will last and also whether it will be win win.
Secondly, it will be a challenge for BMI to turnaorund the BMED operation without starting to take benefits of the Open Skies. For now BMI lacks the onward connections from LHR and will need BA codeshare to fill the flights from Ankara, Beirut, Damascus, Tbilisi etc.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7062 times:
Things are heating up between THY and Hava-Is the nations civil aviation workers union which represents 11,000 employees.
Quote: THY workers threaten to strike
09 July 2007
Thousands of aviation workers on Monday threatened to strike later this month over a pay dispute with the national carrier, Turkish Airlines (THY).
Strike action by workers is being threatened as collective agreement negotiations with the country's national carrier look set to collapse. THY and the Turkish civil aviation workers' union Hava-Is have so far failed to broker a new collective agreement covering some 11,000 aviation workers. Union representatives have been in discussions with the company since March.
Hava-Is has announced that unless an agreement is reached within two weeks, pilots, cabin crew and ground staff would walk out on strike -- coinciding with the start of the peak summer holiday season.
The union has been negotiating for improved pay and work conditions for its members for the past four months. On July 4, Hava-is rejected a pay package offered by the company that did not meet the union's expectations, Yalcin said.
The union's general secretary Mustafa Yagci said: "Management's intransigence on certain issues is unprecedented and proves it has no intention of settling this issue.
Related to this are rumors THY management is actually pushing for a strike as a means to shed approximately 10% of its staff along with launching a major overhaul of Turkish Technic which could see it shutdown and subsequently relaunch under new corporate setup or sold completely to a 3rd party.
Only problem is any strike would be extremely poorly timed for the company coming in the middle of summer.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1733 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7030 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 7): How about this news coming from airporthaber.com that TK extends the leases for 3 734s for another 5 years. They were leased in 1992, so this means at the end they would be leased for a total of 20 years. I am sure Bahadir has some opinions on this one.
TK787 , I made my point bluntly before. I also think THY dropped the ball on the new widebody choice. They should have placed the order for 787 long time ago. But politics came into play and they decided to wait for it. With the airliner being this popular they will have to pay top dollar to companies like ILFC . I am sure the current government will lease some stuff from ALAFCO instead of ILFC though..
Also, I finally met Ugur Cebeci few days ago. Yours truly will be on 'Kokpit' sometime soon
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
Right to build a new international terminal and rights to operate SAW airport under a 20 year lease won by a somewhat interesting combination of partners today.
Quote: Malaysia Airports-GMR group win Istanbul airport
ANKARA, July 9 (Reuters) - A consortium of Malaysia Airports Holdings, Research), India's GMR Infrastructure and Turkey's Limak clinched the rights to Istanbul's second airport on Monday with a 1.9 billion-euro bid.
The winning bid -- which does not include 18 percent value added tax -- beat offers from four other consortiums of foreign and local players in a tender lasting more than 12 hours, said Mete Arslan, chairman of Turkey's Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM).
The consortium will build a new international terminal at the Sabiha Gokcen airport on Istanbul's Asian side and run the airport for 20 years. It will expand annual capacity to 13.5 million air passengers from about 3.5 million now.
Sabiha Gokcen opened in 2001 and hosts domestic Turkish flights and low-cost airline easyJet Plc, among others.
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1733 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7013 times:
this is bad news for Esas Holding consortium because they could have developed the airport into the "Pegasusland". Their partner TAV is the operator for Ataturk Airport and they would have benefited from having both airports of Istanbul sort of Port Authority style..
I am not familiar with the winners.. Have they done any major work in other places in the world?
Edit: Turns out that the CEO of Limak is Nihat Ozdemir, a fellow Fenerbahce manager..
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6999 times:
Yes I heard of TAV and Esas plans which would have benefited Pegasus. However as you can see they fell a few hundred million short on their bid.
From what I can gather the Malaysian Airports Holding will likely be party running the day to day ops at SAW, while GRM Infrastructure will be one doing the construction work. GMR has been involved in major public projects globaly and currently is involved in the modernization of several Indian airports including Delhi and Mumbai. I'm not too sure about the international experience of the Malaysians however as from what I can gather the only foreign airport they manage is in Cambodia!
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Any details on the carrier or aircraft type? I wonder if it's feasible. There is a huge amount of tourists from Israel each year but they aren't going to rush onto ESB direct flights. Do you think there is enough business and government traffic for this route?
Has anyone used the new terminal at ESB? I haven't had the chance yet. Been in and out of the old terminal numerous times and actually quite liked it - it was small, easy to manage and you never had to walk far for anything.
9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2102 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6797 times:
Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter): A consortium of Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), India's GMR Infrastructure and Turkey's Limak clinched the rights to Istanbul's second airport on July 9 with a 1.9 billion-euro (RM8.9 billion) bid. The winning bid does not include 18% value added tax.
The detail news. It was a top business headline in Malaysia.
MAHB clinches RM9b concession
A consortium made up of Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), India's GMR Infrastructure Ltd and Turkey's Limak Group has won the rights to operate the Sabiha Gokcen International Airport (SGIA) in Istanbul, Turkey, with a concession fee of €1.93 billion (RM9.07 billion). MAHB said the consortium, led by Limak, secured the concession from the government of Turkey, which currently operates the airport through the Under Secretariat for Defence Industries.
The consortium beat four other international airport operators with the highest bid of €1.93 billion, which is the concession fee for a period of 20 years. MAHB said there would be no concession fees payable in the first three years. "At this concession fee, the internal rate of return is 13%," MAHB said, adding that the evaluation of the tender bid was based on technical and financial criteria.
MAHB managing director Datuk Seri Bashir Ahmad said: "This is indeed great news for Malaysia Airports as it further reinforces our status as one of the most sought-after service providers in the field of airport operations." On May 24, the airport administrator called for tenders to operate the SGIA under a build, operate and transfer scheme. In June, MAHB was invited by GMR to join Limak in the tender.
GMR is MAHB's joint venture partner in GMR Hyderabad International Airport Ltd, which owns the concession to manage the New Hyderabad International Airport in India. Limak is an engineering company involved in construction, tourism, energy and cement manufacturing. As an airport operator, MAHB is required to take up a minimum 20% stake in the joint venture company to develop, manage and operate SGIA.
Meanwhile, Reuters reported yesterday that the winning consortium beat local and foreign consortiums in a tender lasting more than 12 hours. The report said the consortium beat a partnership of newly listed Turkish airport operator TAV and Turkish airline owner Esas Holding, which was the first to leave the tender when the bidding hit €1.5 billion. Last to withdraw from the bidding was a consortium including Germany's Fraport and Turkey's IC Construction, which in April clinched the rights to Antalya airport in Turkey's tourist hub for US$3.2 billion (RM11 billion).
Other bidders were one consortium that included Turkey's Cukurova, Austria's Julius Meinl Investment and Venice Airport/Save SpA, another included Turkey's Mak-Yol Construction, Eti Bakir and lastly US-based Airport Property Management, the news report said.
MAHB said the scope of the tender included taking over the operations, maintenance and revenues of the international and domestic terminals at SGIA and their related buildings and equipment, and ground handling, fuel supply and bonded warehousing operations.
"The project also involves the construction of a new international terminal with 10 million capacity in 30 months whilst the current international terminal will be converted to a domestic terminal subsequent to the construction of the new terminal," it said. MAHB said the total investment cost and development of SGIA ranged between €150 million and €180 million, excluding financing and project controlling costs. It added that the consortium was in the process of finalising the terms of conditions of the joint venture agreement, as well as the financing for the investment.
SGIA is the second airport in Istanbul with one terminal each for international and domestic flights. It covers a total area of 1,335.5ha. A portion of the land had been allocated for the development of a technological park, while a Formula One circuit was located about five-minute drive away from the airport, MAHB said. It said SGIA was capturing the traffic from the Istanbul Ataturk International Airport, which had limited apron capacity, amid increasing traffic that was reaching 20 million passengers a year. Other overseas airports operated by MAHB are the Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, and Astana International Airport in Kazakhstan.