Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8 Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
Just found out that Delta/ASA will be closing the MCN station effective 9/1 due to lack of demand. The announcement will be made later today or tomorrow. Load factors have run in the low 30's, with low yields as well. ASA will keep the maintenance base there for now, but look for it to be closed in the near term as well, and the employees offered jobs in ATL or other parts of the system.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
If th MX base is there doesnt it make sense to run a passenger paying flight so long as enough pax are on board to pay for the FA and station personnel??? This is kinda like American Eagle in MQT. I am sure they wouldnt normally fly trhere but if the MX base is there AMR has made the judegment that so long as enough pax pay to offset the FA , it makes sense to fly there
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
That will leave MCN with no scheduled passenger service. EV's flights in/out of MCN have never really been heavy flights. When I worked for EV 7 years back, we had a 2345 ATL-MCN flight (E-120) that usually left with no more than 2-3 pax on a regular basis. It was not uncommon to send it out once a week with no pax.
That means that MCN pax won't be getting cheaper fares to fly out of MCN to places via ATL. I've done searches for cheap flights to places out of ATL and some of the itineraries included an MCN-ATL and ATL-MCN flight and were cheaper than the non-stop out of ATL. But since I live so close to ATL, it wasn't worth it; now if I lived closer to MCN than ATL, then yes.
Atlanta is not that far of a drive from the Macon-Warner Robins area, usually no more than an hour to 1:15 when traffic is smooth. I'm sure this will mean that the shuttle bus companies that offer service between Macon and ATL will see a rise in business.
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1): If th MX base is there doesnt it make sense to run a passenger paying flight so long as enough pax are on board to pay for the FA and station personnel???
You can only subsidize losses on short hops for so long.
US/HP has an MX contractor they use @ MCN and they'll ferry a/c ATL-MCN-ATL..
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3): Why not just downgrade the equipment to a ATR?
In some of these cases, the a/c being used to operate a flight is scheduled for MX work down @ MCN. So the a/c has to get down to MCN either by operating a revenue flight or by being ferried. Same is true in returning an a/c back into service from MX work.
That isn't very accurate, mind you tomorrow is a light travel day as most people are where they want to be by tonights end and won't be moving much on the holiday itself. Not to say that the reason to end service isn't warranted, but your example isn't the best.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter): ASA will keep the maintenance base there for now, but look for it to be closed in the near term as well, and the employees offered jobs in ATL or other parts of the system.
I wouldn't be surprised if ASA took the old Delta North Tech Ops facility at ATL right next to FL's hangar. They park dozens of their aircraft over there now anyway...inside and out.
CitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1079 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
How do the other small Georgia cities -- CSG, VLD, BQK, AGS, AHN, and ABY -- do for DL? When I was little, I remember seeing DL 737s in CSG -- don't know if they were irregular ops or scheduled service, probably the former...still cool all the same.
US is abandoning numerous Express routes, not just Athens but also Franklin/Oil City, Dubois, etc. Just not enough money to justify the service. Gulfstream is currently the only bidder for the abandoned US EAS routes.
LearJet60 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3408 times:
Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 10): My bad on that one. Why is US abandoning it? Is the subsidy set to run out, or are they losing money regardless?
US isn't abandoning it. Air Midwest (which operated for USAirways Express) gave up a lot of their EAS routes. Gulfstream is supposed to be awarded the subsidized EAS contract in about six weeks at AHN and three other cities pending their reaching a codeshare/marketing agreement with US Airways.
BlueheronNC From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3389 times:
Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 8): How do the other small Georgia cities -- CSG, VLD, BQK, AGS, AHN, and ABY -- do for DL? When I was little, I remember seeing DL 737s in CSG -- don't know if they were irregular ops or scheduled service, probably the former...still cool all the same.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3225 times:
In some ways I'm surprised, in other's I'm really not. I used to live in Warner Robins, Georgia which is about 15-20 miles south of Macon, but about 5 or so from the airport. In fact, I think the airport was actually closer to Warner Robins than dowtown Macon.
Just a random rundown of points about MCN, and in no particular order:
-A huge percentage (probably most) of the passengers going in and out of MCN were Air Force personnel going to or from Robins AFB for military business. This was the one thing MCN had going for it.
-Part of the problem with MCN was that the flights became very limited. All flights went out in the morning. They all arrived into MCN in the evening. In fact, my mom flew from GSO to ATL last week to do some military work at Robins (She's a reservist). She would have preferred to fly into MCN but she was coming home Friday evening. Well, no evening flights out of MCN so the only option was to fly into and out of ATL and rent a car in ATL.
-MCN's proximity to ATL. The Atlanta Airport sits on the south side of Atlanta. From downtown Macon, it's a fairly easy 1.5 hour (if that) drive up I-75 to I-285. By the time you factor in check-in time, flight time, and connection times, there really isnt an advantage to justify the usually more expensive fair that was required to fly out of MCN. Every so often, it was the same fare or slightly cheaper or not that much more that the conveince was worth the few extra $$$, but when I lived there, it was usually $100 for the ticket to fly out of MCN. For people who lived in MCN (north of the airport), they were driving 15 to 20 miles south to fly 85 miles back north.
**I do realize there are many other small airports that are close to proximity to a major airport and still do well, such as DAY and CVG with DL or GSO and CLT with US, but there are other factors at these airports that MCN does clearly not have going for it.
-I flew a total of 15 different times while living in Warner Robins. 12 of those trips were on Delta and only on two of those trips did I fly out of MCN.
Sad that MCN spent all that money on renovations only to not succeed. I always hoped while we lived there we would get NW service to MEM or US service to CLT, but I knew that was being optimistic. Well, maybe one will move in to fill in the void.
On top of that, the takeoff in the CRJ out of MCN was pretty cool. Light payload and minimal fuel. Almost like a roller coaster launch.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1931 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
CSG had mainline Delta Jet service until about 1994. MCN, prior to deregulation had jet mainline service from DL and EA. AGS had mainline service until the Leo Mullin era, and in the 70's had DC-8-61 flights. For that matter, DL used L-1011's into CAE.
But today, with ASA, flying to MCN from Atlanta to connect was a hassle. It was faster to drive, especially with the connection times. And ASA's "wonderful" on time performance I am sure did little to encourage the use of the service.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
Quoting Milesrich (Reply 18): But today, with ASA, flying to MCN from Atlanta to connect was a hassle. It was faster to drive, especially with the connection times. And ASA's "wonderful" on time performance I am sure did little to encourage the use of the service.
My dad used to fly out of MCN a lot when he had to go on TDY's (Temporary Duties) for the Air Force. The morning flights out of MCN usually weren't a problem but coming back into MCN was always a disaster.
We found out as a nifty trick to avoid parking fees at ATL when driving there was to park the car at Ft. McPherson just north of the airport then ride the MARTA down to the airport. Ft. McPherson has a long term parking area just inside the main gate and the MARTA station was only 100 yards or some from the gate.
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 17): Southwest should take a chance and move in...draw some of that traffic from the ATL metro area as well as Macon itself.
Possible, but doubtful. I don't know if Southwest operates at any other airports without jetways, but MCN does currently lack those. Not that I complained as I always enjoy walking out on the tarmac.
I think you'll see another regional carrier move into MCN before you'll see WN come in.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3040 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4): Atlanta is not that far of a drive from the Macon-Warner Robins area, usually no more than an hour to 1:15 when traffic is smooth. I'm sure this will mean that the shuttle bus companies that offer service between Macon and ATL will see a rise in business.
This is exactly what I have been talking about....."oh, Macon is not that far from Atlanta, let the people drive." Well maybe if ASA invested and maintained smaller aircraft for their smaller cities this wouldnt happen. However, when you are only running 3 early AM flights into your primary hub and nothing for the rest of the day until they all come back..What in God's green earth do you expect passenger loads to do??? If they had a mid morning, mid day and evening departue to ATL I'll bet that they wouldnt be looking at pulling the service. Its plain and simple. I am willing to bet that the passenger loads are there, its ASA that is precipitating the low passenger loads....This isnt rocket science folks.....
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DL/ASA and the TSA have a big dispute last year because the TSA folks weren't willing to staff the airport the whole day, and hence forcing ASA to operate all flights as late evening arrivals/early morning departures? ASA used to have 5 flights distributed over the entire day before that.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3005 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22): Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DL/ASA and the TSA have a big dispute last year because the TSA folks weren't willing to staff the airport the whole day, and hence forcing ASA to operate all flights as late evening arrivals/early morning departures? ASA used to have 5 flights distributed over the entire day before that.
Too bad for TSA.....If the Federal Govt. is going to force TSA on every scheduled airline terminal, then they have no right to gripe. Whether its ATL or MCN they are Govt. employees and they should be happy they have work. If they didnt want to staff the airport the whole day then they should have hired people that would and send the others packing. Once again, this is not rocket science!!!!!!!!
Remember, Wherever you go, there you are!!!!
: Only problem is most people live north of ATL..... 90% of the people who live south of ATL are airline enployees and dont have a need for skybus!
: There was an issue with the airport authority not making the changes to the facility and the airport perimeter that TSA required as I recall... As I
: 1. Youre missing the point. Those aircraft times are still going to be used to fly to MCN for MX..so nothing will change except there will be no pass
: Again, I'm hearing that the base closing and the service termination will be at the same time. Thus, the above will not be a problem. We shall see...
: I chose those two months to get a RANGE of loads under different travel periods - for both winter travel and summer high season leisure/school travel
: Do ferry flights require a F/A? Also, how does operating flights with 5 people cover the cost of a station and a flight If the pax on board arent eno
: Lets eee that FA easrns less than $10 for that flight...Aslo the station people dont have to be there all day long, just oin teh morning and in the e
: If they are closign the base, then I understand, but if the base is staying open, it makes no sense.
: Two comments to add. When I was a kid we did many driving vacations from our home near TPA and my cool parents stopped at many airports for me to visi
: I was checking fares from ATL to LAS on Kayak, and several MCN-ATL-LAS-ATL-MCN choices popped up. Since I live a few miles (as the bird flies) south-
: I don't understand this comment at all. And yes if the aircraft could make more money somewhere else.
: Was also the problem when Delta and Continental Connection wanted to start service to Marathon. And personally, I can't wait to hear how the TSA will
: I remember as many as 5 flights per day at MCN. A 6:40 AM departure, 7:40 AM departure, 9:00 AM departure, 11:50 AM departure and one more in the eve
: Time to sort through some BS The maintenance base will be there in Macon for a long time. The hangar is a place for heavy maintenance and overnight ma
: People who work for airlines have flight benefits, and therefore dont need an LCC airline to fly on