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ATA Closing IND Maintenance Facility  
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Looks like TZ is another step from being completely out of IND. I think all they have left is their HQ once the maintenance center closes in November.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13608799/detail.html

There were rumors a while back that were dismissed by many that FL was interested in a maintenance facility here at IND. Any chance this might come to life with TZ closing shop?


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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Is there any chance that TZ abandonds sched. service altogether? Also, what is keeping TZ's HQ in Indy? It would be like B6 having a HQ in Atlanta.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
There were rumors a while back that were dismissed by many that FL was interested in a maintenance facility here at IND. Any chance this might come to life with TZ closing shop?

Not a chance, FL doesn't need a hangar. The TZ hangar has essentially been closed for almost two years as heavy maintenance was outsourced. IND remained a small line maintenance station and the few 757/L-1011 aircraft seen here were merely staging points for charter ops. It makes much more sense from a cost perspective to base these aircraft closer to there operations bases, hence PHX for the 757s and DFW for the L10s/DC10s. Ask yourselves, why ferry empty aircraft to IND from where they ended their last revenue flights?

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 1):
Is there any chance that TZ abandonds sched. service altogether? Also, what is keeping TZ's HQ in Indy? It would be like B6 having a HQ in Atlanta.

Again, not a chance. Sched ops is a very important part of TZ with the WN codeshare and will not end anytime soon if ever. When is it a requirement to be headquartered at your base of schedules operations? This is not unlike many of the charter airlines and the large scheduled airlines have hubs where they are not headquartered so that makes no sense. The back office, support functions of IND HDQ can really be anywhere so there is really no compelling reason to either stay or go other than its cheap to operate out of IND and the operating certificate is here. The only compelling reason I see to leave is if the company wants to combine some functions in ATL with the pending World Holdings acquistion.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Does FX have an MX facility in IND? Or perhaps WN or NW could pick it up.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 2):
Not a chance, FL doesn't need a hangar.

That wasn't the way it was portrayed in the thread that talked about TZ looking for space. It was as if they weren't happy with what they were or weren't getting in ATL. This is just what someone else had stated. Don't know if there is any truth to it. Can anyone from FL chime in on this?



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User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Fedex is getting the TZ hangar.
I know because my company tried to get it.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Thanks for the info Jeremy.


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User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

It is sad to see TZ out of business here since we always been very committed to this airline since it had business here. It was very popular with passengers from Indy or any where to flew to anywhere that TZ flies, I flew on TZ once from IND-LAS-IND back in 2004, It was on Boeing 737-700.

I think it would be nice to see FedEx use that hangar for them to use since we are probably 2nd large FedEx. It will be easier for us have them repair here rather than go to memphis or somewhere else. Also it would help bring some people to work here and economy too.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2933 times:
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Global Aero Logistics (ATA Holdings) contacted the properties people at ATL two weeks ago to enquire if there was any available hangar space. The only open hangar is the old NW hangar on the South side of the field, and that won't do TZ any good. I predict that GAL headquarters will be moving down to Peachtree City after the merger, and you will see the possible entry of ATA into ATL.


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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

They TZ does not have enough code sharing with WN from the East Coast or Michigan to take advatage of. I can't even book customers on their code share flights from MDW to HNL in vacation package or reg. flights. So, I don't think their code share is what everyone is making it out to be...

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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 1):
Is there any chance that TZ abandonds sched. service altogether? Also, what is keeping TZ's HQ in Indy? It would be like B6 having a HQ in Atlanta.

I think TZTristar said it well -- not a chance. The amount of energy they've spent scooping up Hawaii routes is far too much to think about reducing service altogether.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
I flew on TZ once from IND-LAS-IND back in 2004, It was on Boeing 737-700.

ATA never flew 737-700s. The only 737s that ATA currently flies or has ever flown are Dash 800s and Dash 300s.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

So, we should start taking bets on when the buildings at South Girls School and West Washington are going to be abandoned for good. Luckily, with the expanding business base around the airport, they will make good office space for some company to come in and pick up.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 4):
That wasn't the way it was portrayed in the thread that talked about TZ looking for space. It was as if they weren't happy with what they were or weren't getting in ATL. This is just what someone else had stated. Don't know if there is any truth to it. Can anyone from FL chime in on this?

Again FL does not need hangar space. They have one in ATL already that is almost always empty. They do nothing but minor line maintenance and heavy maintenance is done by Avborne so why would they need it let alone in IND?

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 5):
Fedex is getting the TZ hangar.
I know because my company tried to get it.

That is the rumor, we'll see.

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
It is sad to see TZ out of business here since we always been very committed to this airline since it had business here. It was very popular with passengers from Indy or any where to flew to anywhere that TZ flies,

ATA is not out of business, just haven't flow out of IND for a year and half so this shouldn't be huge news.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
Global Aero Logistics (ATA Holdings) contacted the properties people at ATL two weeks ago to enquire if there was any available hangar space. The only open hangar is the old NW hangar on the South side of the field, and that won't do TZ any good. I predict that GAL headquarters will be moving down to Peachtree City after the merger, and you will see the possible entry of ATA into ATL.

I am not sure where you heard this wild rumor, but its total BS. TZ does NOT need any hangar space and World doesn't even have a hangar in ATL themselves. TZ has no operations in ATL as well.

Your prediction of TZ HDQ in ATL may become true, but we won't know if that will happen until late in 2007 after the deal is complete. Keep in mind that moving an operating certificate is not easy. GAL headquarters could move there as its merely a holding company, but TZ moving there would take time...about mid to late 2008 if it happens at all.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 9):
They TZ does not have enough code sharing with WN from the East Coast or Michigan to take advatage of. I can't even book customers on their code share flights from MDW to HNL in vacation package or reg. flights. So, I don't think their code share is what everyone is making it out to be...

The codeshare is very successful for both so I am not sure what you mean. TZ does not operate at the behest of WN alone as we operate as ourselves as well. I am not sure why you can't book MDW-ONT-HNL or MDW-OAK-HNL since they are bookable through ata.com and there are many codeshare oppotunities with WN through other gateways like PHX, LAS, LAX.

Quoting N908AW (Reply 10):
I think TZTristar said it well -- not a chance. The amount of energy they've spent scooping up Hawaii routes is far too much to think about reducing service altogether.

 checkmark  In fact, sched service is set to increase next year as more narrowbody aircraft are planned to be added.....perhaps TZ wil get a few of the 737NGs that WN will not be getting next year.

Quoting LV (Reply 12):
So, we should start taking bets on when the buildings at South Girls School and West Washington are going to be abandoned for good. Luckily, with the expanding business base around the airport, they will make good office space for some company to come in and pick up.

Well thats interesting speculation, but like I said above, it won't be happening soon. If ever, it would be late in 2008 if the decision to move is made later this year. I do know that the lease with the IAA on the three buildings is until 2010.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
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Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
I am not sure where you heard this wild rumor, but its total BS. TZ does NOT need any hangar space and World doesn't even have a hangar in ATL themselves. TZ has no operations in ATL as well.

It's not a rumor, it is a fact. As I said there is no hangar spce in ATL, if the was then WO would have grabbed it. I also stated that it may be possible that TZ would open ATL as a station. I am aware that TZ isn't in ATL right now.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
It's not a rumor, it is a fact. As I said there is no hangar space in ATL, if the was then WO would have grabbed it. I also stated that it may be possible that TZ would open ATL as a station. I am aware that TZ isn't in ATL right now.

No sir, it is NOT unless you have a personal relationship with our CEO and Sr. VPs and they told you. We have NO ops in ATL so why in the hell would a station open there? Our line ops are in PHX and DFW. WO can do whatever the hell they want since we are not combined nor has the deal closed. It will be months before that happens if it does.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2638 times:
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Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 15):
We have NO ops in ATL so why in the hell would a station open there?

Isn't that the point of opening up a station, to have ops? If headquarters moves down here, which it most likely will, it would make sense to serve your home city. I know TZ dumped IND a while ago, but the ATL is alot bigger than IND. TZ could find a gate on D somewhere and run a couple flights a day out of here. Come to think of it when I was unloading KE Cargo the other night, there was a beige Ford Ranger on the ramp that said ATA Airlines on it.

The properties guy from ATL said this a couple weeks ago to our station manager in ATL.

ATL Guy: "Who the hell is Global Aero Logistics?"

Manager: "The company that's trying to buy us, why?"

ATL Guy: "They called me asking if we had any hangar space that is available for lease. They're about a year to late, the old EA hangar is now the EV hangar"



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 16):
Isn't that the point of opening up a station, to have ops? If headquarters moves down here, which it most likely will, it would make sense to serve your home city. I know TZ dumped IND a while ago, but the ATL is alot bigger than IND. TZ could find a gate on D somewhere and run a couple flights a day out of here. Come to think of it when I was unloading KE Cargo the other night, there was a beige Ford Ranger on the ramp that said ATA Airlines on it.

The properties guy from ATL said this a couple weeks ago to our station manager in ATL.

ATL Guy: "Who the hell is Global Aero Logistics?"

Manager: "The company that's trying to buy us, why?"

ATL Guy: "They called me asking if we had any hangar space that is available for lease. They're about a year to late, the old EA hangar is now the EV hangar"

Your premise of operating scheduled flights out of ATL because our HQ will move there as you say is likely is downright silly, but you're welcome to your speculation because thats all it is. Why doesn't WO do this now? why not NA? The size of ATL versus IND is not the only reason for operations and why must you serve your home town? WO doesn't. It is way too premature to speculate if TZ is moving to ATL at this point just because we are closing a damn hangar that we haven't really been using for almost two years!

I am not going to believe the "properties guy" and your station manager when it come to TZ corporate decisions. As for if the conversation actually took place, I am not sure why. Anyone from TZ can call and make an inquiry such as this and it would mean absolutely nothing but normal corporate unquiries in daily operations likely taken out of context.

Like I said, if you are not on a first name basis with the GAL CEO, which I am not either, there is no point in continuing this conversation any further, but I do know a bit more on what is happening at TZ than you.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
Again FL does not need hangar space.

And being a TZ employee you know this for sure?



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 18):
And being a TZ employee you know this for sure?

Of course I do not, but with factual deduction, it doesn't make sense that they do, plus I do have FL connections.



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User currently offlineLegend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Not understanding all this hoopla about ATA closing that hanger. If someone needed hanger space, how about that monster maintenance facility that United bailed out of some years back? The ATA hangar is not that big, as could only hold 2 L1011's of a combination of 757 and/or 727's. They used to do a lot of normal maintenance and I think might have done the c checks on the 727 and 757 fleets, and occasionally the L1011. The big birds all went over seas for D checks, as I recall, mostly in HKG.

Will FedEx be keeping the other hanger they use to the south of the ATA hangar?


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 19):
Of course I do not, but with factual deduction, it doesn't make sense that they do, plus I do have FL connections.

Did FL resolve their issues in ATL in regards to hangar space?

Quoting Legend11 (Reply 20):
Will FedEx be keeping the other hanger they use to the south of the ATA hangar?

There was a study commissioned this year to determine the viability, cost, size, etc of an international air cargo facility at IND. I think this is something the city is really wanting. Given the space that is available it would most likely make use of the land currently occupied by the vacant USPS sort facility. If the study indicated more space was needed FX may be moving to the old TZ facility to free up space for this cargo center.

As far as I know the results of the study haven't been release yet despite them being due in April or May I believe.

Would it make sense for FX to have two hangars that are separated like that on the field?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

BTW if memory serves me correctly from my tour of the TZ facility I believe the hangar is connected to their offices. Or is that just the maintenance and engineering offices?


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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 22):
BTW if memory serves me correctly from my tour of the TZ facility I believe the hangar is connected to their offices. Or is that just the maintenance and engineering offices?

The hangar is physically connected to building 4, but they were on separate leases. During bankruptcy, it was decided to give up the lease on building 4 and maintenance, engineering, and operations moved out in Feb. 06 to building 3 at Girls School and Washington St. Now, there is no access between the hangar and the offices attached though the hangar entrance remains on the bottom eastern entrance of building 4. Building 4 is still empty but interior work is being done to it so I am not sure who the new lessee is or may be. The building 4 owner was Regions Bank and the hangar is owned by the IAA.



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User currently offlineLegend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Building 4 was quite awesome when ATA first occupied. The SOC was on the top floor, and was pretty much state of the art for an airline of that size. SOC was in a secure area, in the center of the floor, and was surrounded by Dispatch, Crew Scheduling, and Maintenance and Maintenance planning work stations,

Hard to imagine that has all been abandoned. I first started at ATA several months prior to everything moving to Building 4. The old office area was extremely cramped, and difficult to work in concert with Dispatch and Maintenance Control.

If there is a study regarding an International cargo facility, they must be envisioning something much bigger that just the old USPS facility. More than a little surprised that the old United Maintenance facility is not included, as that structure is also fairly large, with the associated ramp space.


25 BravoGolf : A very good question. United bailed and did not fulfill their contract to provide jobs after public monies were spent on the facility. Anyone have an
26 Indy : I thought all of that old United maintenance center had finally been leased out. I know the last time I flew out of IND there were planes everywhere a
27 TZTriStar500 : The entire IMC is spoked for at this time. Most of it is leased to AAR Aircraft Services and one hangar (Hangar 7) to Republic Airways. There is no s
28 WDBRR : I know this is off topic, Does TZ have any gates left or rights to any gates in IND for an occasional charter flight?
29 Indy : TZ is done. They have nothing left. Now there are a couple of common use gates that they could use for the occasional charter.
30 Typhaerion : Mostly however, we use the international arrivals and cargo ramp for the departure point of the charters that we take out of here. The gates went to W
31 Post contains links IndyCanuck : Indy Star article on the hanger in question: But the facility's owner, Paul Kite, is not worried about filling it up. Because FedEx, AirTran, Northwes
32 Indy : If I had to rank those as who I would have thought would have been most likely to go after that hangar it would have been... 1. FedEx 2. Republic Air
33 LV : Hum, that article from the Indy Star says Rolls Royce is the rumored tenant for Building 4. So, could that mean Rolls Royce might take the hanger and
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