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Mesa Orders Additional CRJ700s For UAX  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26013 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Looks like more United ExPlus service is on the way  bigthumbsup 

Quote:
Mesa Air orders $334 million of Bombardier jets

MONTREAL, July 3 (Reuters) - Bombardier Inc. said on Tuesday that Mesa Air Group Inc. will buy 10 of its CRJ700 regional jets in an order valued at $334 million.

Two of the CRJ700 orders are conversions from previously ordered CRJ900 aircraft. The jets will be operated for United Airlines.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...4-53_WEN9147&type=comktNews&rpc=44


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26013 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Love or hate Mesa, they clearly have a product that works for the finance guys at the majors.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21795 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Love or hate Mesa, they clearly have a product that works for the finance guys at the majors.

And sucks for everyone else.

-Mir



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

So let me get this right? They are changing two orders from CRJ900 to CRJ700??? That doesnt seem to make sense. You get 20 more seats on the 900 for essentially FREE!!!!

User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5):
So let me get this right? They are changing two orders from CRJ900 to CRJ700??? That doesnt seem to make sense. You get 20 more seats on the 900 for essentially FREE!!!!

2 words: "SCOPE CLAUSE."

UA Pilot union would not allow regionals to fly more than 70-seat aircraft. Whether this changes in the future, who knows?

Incidentally, it is my understanding that Mesa CR7 operation is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It is on the CRJ side that they have problems.

Also, note that on http://www.mesa-air.com/ they are offering signing bonuses to anyone with UAX experience...

[Edited 2007-07-03 19:38:00]

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26013 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

This Mesa news I suppose is the result of United's public call to its UAX carriers for as many 70 seaters as they can provide.

United's longer term stated goal is to swap 50 seater jets for the larger 2 class versions while growing the UAX operation overall with the ability to replace more and more marginal mainline flying. A number of 737s are likely to leave the fleet this coming winter due lease expiry making the 70 seater even more important.



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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 6):
Incidentally, it is my understanding that Mesa CR7 operation is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It is on the CRJ side that they have problems.

YV CR7 operation runs very well...it is the CRJ 100/200 that cause the biggest problems w/ the UAX operation. It is a combination of old aircraft, ATC and UAX ground handling. To see YV getting more CR7 is great as it will help to curtail more of the operational unrest seen on YV's UAX ops.

Rumor is that the CR7s will be replacing the older 100/200 in the YV fleet, freeing those birds up for JO's partnership with Shinzhin Airlines in Red China.



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
And sucks for everyone else.

Not if you fly NW and CO (as I do)



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User currently offlinePhilipkk From Canada, joined Sep 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5):

My two cents.. They are ordering CRJ700NGs, not the classic (if thats the name for it). That means more efficient, larger windows and a big obsession with manufacturers today: composite materials  Smile . They'll also be the launch customer for the CRJ700NG. I guess its something like Airbus convincing their A350 customers to switch to A350XWB.
More details here:
http://www.bombardier.com/en/0_0/pressrelease.jsp?group=0_0&lan=en&action=view&id=6624&sCateg=3_0


User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 6):
. It is a combination of old aircraft, ATC and UAX ground handling

UAX ground handling?



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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Skyrat (Reply 9):
UAX ground handling?

Yes the UA ground handling of Mesa flights that are not Mesa operated stations with Mesa people is horrible, especially in ORD and IAD. Mesa is not the only one who has these problems with UA on the express side. Mesa may not be perfect but you can't place all the blame for the poor numbers solely on them and UA knows this.


User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Ordering more planes in my opinion is usually a good thing. It is good for Mesa that they have enough demand for 10 more of the Cr7's. It is also good for Bombardier that they are getting more orders for the CRJ series. It is also good in a sense that the new order that Mesa just placed they will be receiving the new nxt gen CRJ with more of the composite stuff. I'm am also very surprised that there have been so many new orders for the CRJ-900 series. It seemed like for a long while that Mesa was gonna be the only operator of the aircraft.

Do any of you think that Mesa in the future will order the CRJ-1000?


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 10):
Yes the UA ground handling of Mesa flights that are not Mesa operated stations with Mesa people is horrible, especially in ORD and IAD. Mesa is not the only one who has these problems with UA on the express side. Mesa may not be perfect but you can't place all the blame for the poor numbers solely on them and UA knows this.

I guess there's a reason they say: "Ignorance is bliss" The above quote is a textbook example.

First of all, UA does not handle YV operations at IAD. YV is perfectly capable of screwing it up on their own. UA has had to pull down YV flying from more than one hub due to YV's shortage of pilots. I'll be the first to say that YV has a shitty contract with UA, but that's YV's own fault, no one forced them to sign a contract. YV is critically short on pilots and losing them at a 3 loss/1 gain ratio per month. If YV really cared anything about their service, they'd drop the money-losing Hawaii debacle and get those pilots back flying the (money making) fee-for-departure lines that they are now losing left and right. Mesa only proves that as bad as everyone thinks management is at their legacy, it's plenty worse at YV...



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User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
YV is critically short on pilots and losing them at a 3 loss/1 gain ratio per month. If YV really cared anything about their service, they'd drop the money-losing Hawaii debacle and get those pilots back flying the (money making) fee-for-departure lines that they are now losing left and right.

I couldn't have said your whole point any better myself.

Why is mesa buying more planes when they can't even fly the ones they have!?!!?!?!



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User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2881 times:
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Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 4):
UA Pilot union would not allow regionals to fly more than 70-seat aircraft.

Do max aircraft weight play a part in this too? SkyWest/Delta has been/is flying the CRJ900 with 70 seats (10F/60Y), so wouldn't that be perfect for UAX too? The extra room would allow for more baggage and cargo space and more galleys so UA could offer more food to their F pax, which might persuade the F pax to fly them again...?

10 more beautiful CRJ700s to grace the skies. Congrats to BBD, they're having a great year, order-wise  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 10):
Yes the UA ground handling of Mesa flights that are not Mesa operated stations with Mesa people is horrible, especially in ORD and IAD. Mesa is not the only one who has these problems with UA on the express side. Mesa may not be perfect but you can't place all the blame for the poor numbers solely on them and UA knows this.

Maybe ORD & IAD, but i don't see problems at the outstations.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
I guess there's a reason they say: "Ignorance is bliss" The above quote is a textbook example.

First of all, UA does not handle YV operations at IAD. YV is perfectly capable of screwing it up on their own. UA has had to pull down YV flying from more than one hub due to YV's shortage of pilots. I'll be the first to say that YV has a shitty contract with UA, but that's YV's own fault, no one forced them to sign a contract. YV is critically short on pilots and losing them at a 3 loss/1 gain ratio per month. If YV really cared anything about their service, they'd drop the money-losing Hawaii debacle and get those pilots back flying the (money making) fee-for-departure lines that they are now losing left and right. Mesa only proves that as bad as everyone thinks management is at their legacy, it's plenty worse at YV...

I can't agree more.



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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
First of all, UA does not handle YV operations at IAD

I never said they did. I was pointing out the problems at the 2 hubs which YV flights are not handled by Mesa.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12):
YV is perfectly capable of screwing it up on their own.

What are you talking about? Do you work for Mesa? Do you know what actaully goes on there? I would suggest that when ripping Mesa you rip the management and leave the other employees out of it because Mesa has some of the hardest working employees in the business that are mearly caught up in what J.O. and the rest of his management team are doing.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 13):
Why is mesa buying more planes when they can't even fly the ones they have!?!!?!?!

There are a lot of pilots out there who love the smell of Jet-A.



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Out of curiosity, roughly what are the fees per departure that Mesa vs Skywest (or another regional) would charge United?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

ZW does ground handling at IAD, not YV. Dont make assumptions.


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 17):
There are a lot of pilots out there who love the smell of Jet-A.

yes, Mesa has no time requirements for FO's now I know several 300 hour Multi CFII people that can hardly wait to get into a CRJ.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 20):
yes, Mesa has no time requirements for FO's now I know several 300 hour Multi CFII people that can hardly wait to get into a CRJ.

I dunno about that. They still list 500/100 - but often time listed publicly is not what they're taking, especially in this tight of a hiring environment.

I know Eagle still says 750/100 or something like that, but they're having a real hard time filling classes and are now taking pilots with less.



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2395 times:

It would be nice to dump the 200's...they break down constantly. I doubt they will order anymore 900's for the USX operation...from what I hear we have no intention of renewing the contract with YV once it expires...especially after last week's debacle. Be interesting to see who replaces YV in the west!

User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 22):
especially after last week's debacle.

What happened last week?


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